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Final Fantasy 16 UK physical sales beat Diablo 4's and Dead Island 2's
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Fabieter
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That's not my point at all. There are comparison made to xv which was also not pc day one and it wasn't even sure at what timeframe pc gamers would get it.
owandeseis
Member
Lol so it sold more or less the same as Xbox One's version of FFXV on first week, ofc just physical copies wise, on digital it will do much better but yea it was hard not to see it underperforming compared to FFXV or even FFVII remake since months ago.
Honestly that sounds like good news to me, wonder what their plans with FFXVII will be, also wonder if Persona 6 will end up being the new king of JRPG's sales wise (not counting Pokemon ofc) if it's multiplatform and it has a good marketing campaign, it seems word of mouth is helping this saga muuuch more than FF this last years
Honestly that sounds like good news to me, wonder what their plans with FFXVII will be, also wonder if Persona 6 will end up being the new king of JRPG's sales wise (not counting Pokemon ofc) if it's multiplatform and it has a good marketing campaign, it seems word of mouth is helping this saga muuuch more than FF this last years
Fools idol
Banned
I was against the whole digital movement until I had kids and my house rapidly filled with 'stuff'. Now, I want as little 'stuff' as possible. Digital ftw
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Wow Zelda doing incredibubble
Madflavor
Member
3+ years, plus the Integrade PS5 port and the PC release. I'm betting Remake is sitting at 8 million at this point. It'll see another uptick in sales as we get closer to Rebirth.
the_master
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Go buy the game. it is great
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If this is true, these numbers look great!
Thanks for sharing. Do you know who the source is?
The install-base forum where they do nothing but gather numbers lol, I cannot vouch for their credibility 100% though.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Really disappointing sales. The game is phenomenal and deserves better. Gamers suck.
Let’s hope the word of mouth is great but tbh if the demo didnt do it, i don’t think anything will.
Let’s hope the word of mouth is great but tbh if the demo didnt do it, i don’t think anything will.
Unknown?
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FFXV helped ruin the series reputation. It wouldn't be any wonder if it couldn't outsell it even on one platform. If it was genre defining like FF of old it wouldn't matter.
That said I bet it will outsell FFXV in the end even not counting the PC port.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah I figured that out by the font; I was wondering if you knew the person who shared this. Because I know a couple of folks there who are considerably reliable with data (and also a couple who just bullshits). All good, though. Thanks for sharing!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
How are these numbers disappointing when it's outselling even multiplatform titles that performed well? The only exclusive on this list is Zelda, but that's Zelda ... and it also launched for a 120 million userbase.
MMaRsu
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
ChorizoPicozo
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is this like an exponential curve?.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It is half of FF7. Which itself was half of FF15.
Even if you double the sales by counting digital, it will still be half of FF15. RE4 ended up doing 2.5 million. Not great, but ok for a quick and dirty remake by a B team. This game has been in dev for years and is a mainline entry performing 33% worse than a remake.
Franchises are supposed to do better with each entry. This aint it. I mean beating Dead Island 2 isnt an accomplishment.
DaGwaphics
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I don't get the Diablo 4 comparison, as that is primarily a PC franchise where there are no boxed sales at all. D4 was a very successful launch but we don't know if their boxed launch was impressive or not (depends on the digital vs. boxed split on the title). DI2 is also a strange comparison because the franchise doesn't have the historical market presence of FF. A comparison against Hogwarts or Zelda would have been more interesting since those are also established brands on console.
But, regardless, congratz to Square they needed some luck with the way things have been trending there. They hit the jackpot getting Sony to make a bundle with them, they should be set on this one even if the bundle is limited to only 3 or 4m units but that could realistically reach 9 or 10m depending on how long this remains the primary bundle and if PS5 sales maintain the current pace.
But, regardless, congratz to Square they needed some luck with the way things have been trending there. They hit the jackpot getting Sony to make a bundle with them, they should be set on this one even if the bundle is limited to only 3 or 4m units but that could realistically reach 9 or 10m depending on how long this remains the primary bundle and if PS5 sales maintain the current pace.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Again, FFXV released on Tues, FFXVI Thurs, so 6 days of sales vs 4 days, assuming they count the weekend. If not and weekday only then 4 days vs 2 days.It is half of FF7. Which itself was half of FF15.
Even if you double the sales by counting digital, it will still be half of FF15. RE4 ended up doing 2.5 million. Not great, but ok for a quick and dirty remake by a B team. This game has been in dev for years and is a mainline entry performing 33% worse than a remake.
Franchises are supposed to do better with each entry. This aint it. I mean beating Dead Island 2 isnt an accomplishment.
Then much higher digital attachment now.
2 platforms vs 1
No moneyhat vs Sony money hat.
Conclusion, we can't say yet how much its really sold compared to VIIR and XV yet. So we await more time and more data. The Sony moneyhat also probably absorbed a decent amount of the dev cost and I'd also wager this will have better word of mouth compared to XV and therefore better legs over time.
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Woopah
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UK hasn't been the best market for JRPGs. It'll do better elsewhere.
In this case we know FFXVI's first week was 74% lower than FFXV's, so we can do the math.
It's calculated from the stats given by Dring.
In this case we know FFXVI's first week was 74% lower than FFXV's, so we can do the math.
Interfectum
Member
FF16 doing pretty good on PSN Profiles so there are clearly a lot of people playing. It's not going to touch Zelda, God of War or Hogwarts though.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You also need to take into account the exclusivity (only 1 platform), the userbase (PS5 has ~2.5 million consoles sold in the UK), and the digital ratio in 2023, which is significantly higher than it was in 2016.It is half of FF7. Which itself was half of FF15.
Even if you double the sales by counting digital, it will still be half of FF15. RE4 ended up doing 2.5 million. Not great, but ok for a quick and dirty remake by a B team. This game has been in dev for years and is a mainline entry performing 33% worse than a remake.
Franchises are supposed to do better with each entry. This aint it. I mean beating Dead Island 2 isnt an accomplishment.
That's why comparison with other games on this list paint a clearer picture. Almost beating RE4 Remake, which is a 90+ remake of a beloved game, releasing on 5 consoles, is an impressive feat.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Exclusivity didnt impact GOW which outsold MW2, Elden Ring and other multiplats last year. Only 18% of its sales were on PS4 back in November when the PS5 still had shortages. Its sold a lot more now.
These sales are underwhelming no matter how you look at them.
ProtoByte
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The digital ratio for single player games isn't much higher than 2016 at all - certainly not to the point of eliminating the sales discrepancy between FFXV on PS4 and XVI on PS5.
Again, long term this should have stronger legs than XV. Whether or not it does, Square really needs to ask themselves why they thought a character action game was going to blow the sales charts away.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Because FF16 is no God of War Ragnarok.
God of War Ragnarok came on the back of the excellent God of War (2018), culminating the saga. FF16 is a stand-alone title, coming on the back of a lackluster FFXV.
The comparison doesn't make any sense.
Fabieter
Member
Its also about metacritic. Its not much but gow 2018 and gowr wouldn't have sold as much if it would have scored in the 80s.
DaGwaphics
Member
Are there really a lot of gamers that check metacritic before making purchases these days?
Fabieter
Member
It gives extra hype and word of mouth. We had thread there at the release of totk that metacritic is so good they wanted to buy for that alone. Its big.
Interfectum
Member
No but the social media hype around a high MC score reaches those people. A game that scores 90+ gets a B12 shot for release hype. You saw it big time for Zelda this year.
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DaGwaphics
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Interesting. I barely even give it a second thought (outside of list/console warz purposes, haha).
Fabieter
Member
It doesnt really matter when its sub 90 tho so I can see why you think that.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So you want Square to invent robots to make the game on PC at the same time as the PS5? Because I'm not sure how you figure they could physically do that and release it this summer.
Portugeezer
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Impressive, especially if it's similar in other regions.
I’m 16 hours into the game and I feel the same kind of story beats from FF9. It probably has to do with the gateways to castles and my empathy to bearers that I felt for black mages. FF9 is my all time fave game. This feels like it will be my second all time fave game. But I’ll finish it first to say for sure.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Where did I say that? I just made the point the game is available to a lower install base given its releasing on a single platform, whilst XV released on a higher base.So are you saying xbox would account for half of their sales?!
Vognerful
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You say 80s, as if an 89 is the same thing as an 81.
MarkMe2525
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This game looks so good. That PS5 exclusivity bums me out, as I won't get to play for awhile due to me waiting for the PS5 redesign.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why does the comparision to FF7R and FF15 matter this much? We know 7 Remake was one of the most hyped remakes in video game's history. And FF15 one the first mainline FF since 13 and had a billion years of hype.
People loved 7 Remake and kinda hated FF15. Everyone in media knows that the next product that comes out after a dud tends to sell less at first. Regardless of the quality.
Vognerful
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the only other platform XV release on was xbox one. the PC version game like a year after.
So other than digital attachment, your other points paint a picture that the game would be way more successful if it released on xbox on the same day.
Vognerful
Member
First of all, I am not the one who brought up that comparison.
but following with your logic, did it sell more than FF7R? (i have no idea what the numbers are for that game)
Fabieter
Member
Ofc there is a difference in quality but imo hitting 90 is hitting critical mass. Around 95 there is further hype boost.
Fabieter
Member
I mean it takes one bigger retail chain to extrapolate so its possible but also have room for error give or take.
Woopah
Member
It varies game by game. So its a general guesstimate. We'll see on Thursday how accurate it is, but I own guess was 312,000 so I hope it is accurate this time!
ProtoByte
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XV's sales were disproportionately higher even accounting for exclusivity and difference in install base of PS4 compared to PS5.
Metacritic is finicky as it is, nailing down how people perceive it is worse. But I'd guess that the difference between a flat 80 and an 86 is a lot larger than the difference between an 85 and an 89.
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