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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Welcome!
What class do you play?
I'm mostly just laughing that he's getting to use the same response two tiers in a row and people are cheering it; hopefully it works out for them, but if not I look forward to promises that the 4.0 raid will be more like Coil.
DPS checks too hard, nerf DPS checks.
Which is what they did and tried dances instead.
Dances with rotations too hard, nerf dances.
And now we're back at FCOB level, and I've said many times that FCOB level is perfect.
I just don't understand why we had to go through an entire expansion of this garbage when they had all the ARR experience they needed.
I still don't understand how they looked at what was actually causing problems in Gordias and thought Midas would work. Despite what people were claiming, dances in Gordias were a problem. I spent most of the tier objecting that people were failing the dance in A3S but were blaming the DPS checks despite never making it intact to a spot where DPS was failing. Literally one night in A6S was enough to realize it was going to go over with the community like a lead balloon.
They had the information, they just ignored it and went down a silly path.
So I'm gonna go to the Lancer guild and work up my lancer skills?
I'm currently lvl 19, but I'll keep in mind to unlock Bard as soon as I hit 30.
Armchair raiders complaining on Reddit and the OF that raiding was too easy got us there.
I honestly don't know anyone who actually was raiding through Final Coil who complained about the difficulty in a serious way. People want more content to go through, not content that drags for 6 months because it's difficult just to make a point or something.
I honestly don't know anyone who actually was raiding through Final Coil who complained about the difficulty in a serious way. People want more content to go through, not content that drags for 6 months because it's difficult just to make a point or something.
Yeah, you need Pugilist at level 15 to unlock BRD anyway. Don't sweat it too much as far as cross-class skills go though, they're nice to have during leveling (especially Invigorate), but they're not game-breaking either. You'll want them at level 60 if you want to perform reasonably well though.
SliceSabre
Banned
I wonder if for Scholar they're just gonna hit the power of their DPS really hard so that Scholars feel less inclined to use they dps or if they'll get nothing but heal/buff/Fairy skills giving them less incentive to go dps because then they aren't using their healing skills to their fullest.
I think the one feeds into the other. The easier something is, the sooner people clear, the sooner they're left wanting more to do. Given their inability to produce more meaningful content, they tried to extend the life of the existing tiny pool by making it take longer. Savage SCoB was possibly one of the best ideas they had, but they took the wrong lessons from why people liked it and why nobody did it.
Enlarging that pool of content is what I keep reading interviews hoping to see promised for 4.0. Not only would that mean more to do in general, it would mute the impact of inevitable missteps in balance.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's more likely they'll break Eos' legs so the SCH needs to actually heal.
And nerf BS skills like Indomitability.
Savage SCoB happened at a great time as well. Giving hardcore people something to do during odd patches was a brilliant idea in terms of content pacing IMO. Not that I really can speak a great deal about it as I was unsubbed during 2.3 and missed the train, but I'm sad they never replicated it. Odd patches feel so dull.
Surely you mean Deployment Tactics
No, Indomitability. SCH has no business having a 400 potency instant AOE heal on a 30s CD. It literally breaks mechanics that you were supposed to deal with such as Protean Wave in A3s, and makes things like the last series of Sizzlesparks as Searing Wind runs out a joke to deal with in A7s.
Deployment Tactics is OP as well, but it doesn't break things as much as Indomitability does. It's something the devs can account for when they design fights because of its CD.
EndcatOmega
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VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
pls remove smokescreen from ninja and add shadow clones
thank you
thank you
lazybones18
Banned
those will surely come in handy during raids...
hosannainexcelsis
Member
You get a Yokai Medal after every FATE you complete with the Watch equipped, so it's just a process of doing enough FATEs to have enough. The price of a minion rises after you've gotten a few, but it's not too bad to get them all. The weapons are a lot harder since the legendary medals have a relatively low drop rate, and are only worth it if you really want the extra-special Whisper mount you get for getting all the weapons.
Stone Ocean
Member
Basically the time it takes you to do 70-ish FATEs
Not sure if serious, but I'll take the bait. No it isn't. It's not even as difficult as A4S was.
Because people wanted things to be more difficult, so they decided to tighten the difficulty while adding in brand new stuff that they didn't have data on. Like the new rotations that they're blaming. Growing pains~
While I do agree FCoB was a great balance of difficulty/fun, I also really think Midas is a great raid tier but it's tuned a bit too tightly for a more general populace.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
I did 115 and got less than half the weapons. But i did fates recently and got 5 easily. It seems like they increased the drop rate. But knce they raise the price of weapons from 15 to 30 im stopping.
Stone Ocean
Member
I know, I'm just joking about the sheer amount of mechanics.
irfaanator
Banned
I'm sure clearing it with the greatest group ever had something to do w/ it
It was conceptually just a really smart move that never quite clicked with the larger playerbase. Offering only titles from SCoB Savage was a mistake, but with Heavensward's changes to gearing they've actually created a pretty perfect avenue to give odd-patch-Savage some rewards. Do raid Normal and HM in the even patches, then drop Savage in odd patches with gear equivalent to the next tier's Normal/Crafted iLevel (hell, give the weapon a 5 iLevel bump even, who cares, the next tier's tome weapon would still beat it) alongside the 24-man. Stick the tier's mount or minion in there, too, maybe make stuff glow. It's a small progression boost/escape from having to farm the next tier on Normal for gear for people who can do it, not a huge deal for those that can't, and gives both casual and less casual players something to look forward to every single patch.
Aside from this shitter drg we had to carry, yes.
Hey so, contributing again to this discussion about rotations being complicated. This one is incredibly wrong for doing a correct black mage rotation. It actually speaks to the problem of skill bloat and having too many attacks and not really understanding how best to use them all. BLM Rotato more typically resembles
Sharpcast
Ley Lines
>Fire 1
Enochian
>Fire 3
Raging Strikes
[Potion]
>Fire 4
>Fire 4
>Fire 4
>Fire 1
Swiftcast
>Fire 4
Convert
>Fire 4
>Fire 4
>Blizzard 3
>Blizzard 4
>Thunder 1
And then you repeat
>Fire 3
>Fire 4
>Fire 4
>Fire 1
>Fire 4
>Fire 4
>Blizzard 3
>Blizzard 4
>Thunder 1
Twice before doing a new Enochian with Sharpcast
F1>F4>F4>F4>F3>F4>B3>B4>T1> repeat above rotato
Some would say this is even more complicated to explain to people to teach them how2blm while also dealing with crazy mechanics and junk like that that require movement or possibly even shortening your rotation to suit the fight.
In Midas Savage it's actually been fun to DPS because it's not as much about knowing your rotation and performing it while dancing, it's knowing the fight timings, your cooldown timings, when to hold them and when to fold them. What opener do I use on A5S so I can maximize my dot ticks and minimize the large cooldowns blown while he's big and takes less damage? What cooldowns do I use on A6S at what time in the robot fights so I can always have a decent opener on each of the robots? Most importantly, how do I cooldown on A8S so that I have my full opener for Phase 2, and what is the latest I can pop these cds so that everything will align nicely while not losing a use of the cooldown?
I don't think there are any tutorials you can throw at people to teach them this stuff.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Well i didnt learn that have 3 fire stacks made your blizzard 3 cooldown shorter until halfway through heavensward so I dont know what is optimal. Maybe they should add a command lists to the dummies so you can see your max damage and combos to see what is optimal for m-m-m-maximum damage. Or it might break the game because mobas dont do this either or have a sandbox mode.
This--not raid level minmaxing--is the sort of thing the Famitsu interview was asking for somehing in-game to teach. This is what Yoshida appears to have written off as a no, and it puts new players at a disadvantage for no reason. The bare bones minimum data of how a character's toolkit interacts is something any video game should be trying to communicate.
Then again, Hall of the Novice chastises DPS players for multidotting so maybe tutorials are super hard.
The bolded swiftcast isn't even needed anymore with current spell speeds which means it can just be a freebie during a movement.
I actually think what Yoshida said about Gordias and Midas is a pretty good stateent in the Famitsu interview where they made the dance too much for the complexity of level 60 rotations and the adapting on the fly required for midcore players in terms of keeping their class buffs up.
I'm not doing Savage so I can't speak to it, but like Nidhogg EX is pretty well designed (at least, for a Dragoon) because stuff all lines up insanely well (IE you do your opener as normal because even if you don't blow geirskogul botd still falls off during cauterize+horrid roars) and then when he comes back down it'll be off cooldown and you can carry it into the adds flawlessly since there's no delay between Nidhogg leaving and the adds coming out. My favorite one though has to be after the form switch and you can blow some of your off gcds like a non-power surged jump (although you need to delay it so you don't get animation locked if you get a circle since they show up around the same time you've applied disembowel) and then it'll be back up in time for fang and claw, and you can delay your cooldowns aside from litany in case you get red, then either grab an orb and spineshatter/dragonfire dive back to the claw and then b4b+ir is back off CD for after the towers, geirskoguls and super jump and you burn until he switches phases again. then everything's back off CD again for when you're stacked for the second akh morn.
I just kinda hope it doesn't become like WoW where I've been messing around again and playing a prot warrior where the rotation is:
use vengeance off CD, use shield slam off CD, use thunderclap off CD unless there's adds coming you need to pick up. Spam Devastate to proc Shield Slam and watch for dodge/parries to proc Vengeance and use intercept on an ally every once in awhile while spamming Ignore Pain whenever you have the Rage. Feels really passive since threat is nothing (you literally have like a 100k threat lead on anyone in your party without even trying) and you don't need to balance doing DPS with threat management
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Well i also think Dragoon is the easiest dps class but i digress.
But what i do digress on is that we should think of new thread titles.
|OT| Legion is out but expansion | 2 | aint.
But what i do digress on is that we should think of new thread titles.
|OT| Legion is out but expansion | 2 | aint.
Agreed.
" Oh, new optional items, oh I liked that guys outfit, let me see if... "
* Is undyable*
" Thank you square enix for allowing me to save my money"
Also add male dreads specifically for Au Ra in 4.0 pls thanks
I dunno if that's a new move and it lets you do like double damage, that's actually sick
* Is undyable*
" Thank you square enix for allowing me to save my money"
Also add male dreads specifically for Au Ra in 4.0 pls thanks
This man know.
I dunno if that's a new move and it lets you do like double damage, that's actually sick
Sometimes, as main tank, I kill the OT and a healer........
The secret is to turn the boss after the charge to the outer edge so the bladed hair faces the wall.
Then the boss determines that the aoe has no actual floor space to cover so the aoe switches sides and covers the entire arena.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Stop teaching people the secret moves Squishy.
Altered Juice
Member
edit: lol nevermind
Unknown Soldier
Member
Coil was too perfect, so they had to figure out way to make it worse so they had something to improve on for the next expansion. This is the Blizzard Strategy, and it got them millions of Diablo III + expansion sales because first you make Diablo III kind of shitty and then you make the expansion better so that way people will buy millions of copies of the the base game and then millions of copies of the expansion to fix the base game. Diablo III + expansion has sold a combined lifetime 30 million units so i guess it works. For Blizzard anyways.
We have a saying in Russian that's basically rather than explaining things with a conspiracy, it's much more reliable to explain things with incompetency.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well ours rhymes.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Fine you win.
I'm interested in hearing this saying now, though I don't speak any Russian.
PRAISE YOSHIDA.
No seriously, it's about damn time. I want to collect my gear and go home, thanks.