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God Of War Ragnarok Officially sells through 11 Million copies

James Sawyer Ford

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Mr.Phoenix said:
Dunno how you got 500M.

The game is less than 3 months old, Still retailing at full price. Even if we are looking at an average retail price of $70, that pegs it at around $770M in revenue.

I would say $200M - $250M sounds about right for dev and marketing. $180M for dev and $70 for marketing.

That's like $520M - $570M of profit in just under 3 months!!!
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Sony only keeps 100% of revenue from digital ps5 sales

And bundles had a $10 discount

500M was a lower end estimate
 
Mr.Phoenix

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James Sawyer Ford said:
Sony only keeps 100% of revenue from digital ps5 sales

And bundles had a $10 discount

500M was a lower end estimate
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Yeah, I know... but also consider that the split in digital to physical sales is increasingly trending towards digital. Then do not forget stuff like limited Edition versions of the game.

We are just spitballing here...but no way 11M in sales translates to just 500M.... that's an average per unit revenue of less than $46!!! And physical retail margins usually hover around 15-30%. The bigger the game, the less money retailers can negotiate to keep as their cut.
 
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Jim Ryan other Clone

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Q3 Sony sold 20.8 million software, and 55% of that was Ragnarok. Imagine that. Speak about this great game and shut the fuck up about The last of you 35. Every thread is turning to this same bullshit, so what if it underperformed or not??
 
Dr.brain64

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Banjo64

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Great numbers (y) I’ve not played it yet but will do at some point. Wonder what’s next for this studio. I’m hoping we see another shift in gameplay equal to GoW III and 2018.
 
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GogolPoe

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How can anyone doubt 11 million sales of GoWR... the thing was an event release and was one of the big reasons to buy a PS5. I expected close to Elden Ring (less but close) sales, but it seems to have died down right at the beginning of December. I'm not even a big fan of the last two GoW (just ok to me), but for sure they are hugely popular. they had devs and actors of the game on nightime tv, and whle old media still signifies a push into househould brand status.

The issue is, was it worth it in a market where AAA games are expensive and take forever (4 years and no derived income is unheard of in any other industry), and not all of these AAAs are guaranteed to even break even especially in a market where competition and time for your dollar is cutthroat, people really have no reason to buy full price releases when FOMO is not as strong as it used to be, you have people playing games like Minecraft, Fortnite and Warzone like MMOs, and without much barrier to entry and easy to get in and out, these games are like casinos, they keep there hooks in people with addictive progression models. How does old school AAA games compete with that?
 
Airbus Jr

Airbus Jr

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GogolPoe said:
How can anyone doubt 11 million sales of GoWR... the thing was an event release and was one of the big reasons to buy a PS5. I expected close to Elden Ring (less but close) sales, but it seems to have died down right at the beginning of December. I'm not even a big fan of the last two GoW (just ok to me), but for sure they are hugely popular. they had devs and actors of the game on nightime tv, and whle old media still signifies a push into househould brand status.

The issue is, was it worth it in a market where AAA games are expensive and take forever (4 years and no derived income is unheard of in any other industry), and not all of these AAAs are guaranteed to even break even especially in a market where competition and time for your dollar is cutthroat, people really have no reason to buy full price releases when FOMO is not as strong as it used to be, you have people playing games like Minecraft, Fortnite and Warzone like MMOs, and without much barrier to entry and easy to get in and out, these games are like casinos, they keep there hooks in people with addictive progression models. How does old school AAA games compete with that?
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Hahaha this post are laughable

Gow ragnarok are curently breaking record 11m in 2 months and this is your response tor this news? Youre a sad individual so stay mad
 
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mrmustard

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Spitfire098 said:
Speaking of bundles, Forza Horizon 5 should be lighting up the charts soon right?!? I don't think bundles make that big of a difference.
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There is a difference. If the console is also available unbundled, people buy the bundles voluntarily. If there is no unbundled console available, your only option is the bundle.
Bundles always push the sales of games, but in times of console scarcity it pushes the sales enormously when the company almost only delivers the said bundle and very few unbundled consoles.
 
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elcapitano

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This is why it was released on PS4 and 5. (Remember when everyone was complaining about that? Leaving millions of sales in the table would just have been idiotic)
Having multiple SKUs is easy "Extra" sales.

Also the power of bundling as well.
Any time a game is Bundled it's a guaranteed sale.

So for example if there is 500k or 1 million God of War PS5s it's a guaranteed sale.

Stuff like this is often why you can't really compare game sales as if it's a 1 to 1 thing. Some games have never been in a bundle. Or only have 1 SKU etc etc.

Also at the end of the day not sure why us gamers equate sales to Quality. Just look at movies. None of the Higher Grossing movies are the considered the Best Movies. What they are though is the movies with the most wide range of appeal.

And I think that applies to God Of War it's got a really wide range of appeal. Personally I thought God of War 4 was absolutely Brilliant. Ragnarok less so but still decent.

Like it's still my favourite game of 2022 after Elden Ring.
 
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Airbus Jr said:
Hahaha this post are laughable

Gow ragnarok are curently breaking record 11m in 2 months and this is your response tor this news? Youre a sad individual so stay mad
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Lol why are you so mad? The markets changing, you think people predicted a Netflix HBO Amazon Prime tvscape fifteen years ago? The same already is happening in gaming. Even Sony sees this, they're just not telling hardcore fans because it would piss them off. They have been giving tidbits.. you know like.. going heavily PC and GaaS multiplayer and countless remakes.

Go ahead though be proud of your #1 console and its #1 exclusives. I dont care.
 
Airbus Jr

Airbus Jr

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GogolPoe said:
Lol why are you so mad? The markets changing, you think people predicted a Netflix HBO Amazon Prime tvscape fifteen years ago? The same already is happening in gaming. Even Sony sees this, they're just not telling hardcore fans because it would piss them off. They have been giving tidbits.. you know like.. going heavily PC and GaaS multiplayer and countless remakes.

Go ahead though be proud of your #1 console and its #1 exclusives. I dont care.
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This particular neo member seems familiar to me wonder if im guessing the right person :messenger_smirking:
 
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Die Namek Ability

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SeñorOsky305 said:
Didn't death stranding sell like 8 million within the first 3 months 😐 kind off expected Ragnarok to do double those numbers ... Would have been better if they killed off kratos but I guess money talks so they gone keep putting them out 😹
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In a sense they did, what do you think that ending was about and the conversation Odin had with Kratos about being a god people loved, people worshiped. The Kratos we know IS dead
 
Spitfire098

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mrmustard said:
There is a difference. If the console is also available unbundled, people buy the bundles voluntarily. If there is no unbundled console available, your only option is the bundle.
Bundles always push the sales of games, but in times of console scarcity it pushes the sales enormously when the company almost only delivers the said bundle and very few unbundled consoles.
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I'm only seeing bundled xsx on walmart, Amazon, and best buy.
 
PixelatedBeast

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Zekra Dezivad said:
I don't think the general public knows or care about twitter rants and forum discussions. You will see once Hogwarts Legacy will be released how much little impact fanatics have on a multi billion market.
If TLoU2 underperformed (ie selling way less than the first game) it wasn't due the leaks or the woke agenda (if you look around you'll see a lot of similar themes in mainstream entertainment, or are we living on mars?).
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What IS the general public? We live in the digital age/social media era. We're past the point as a civilization of the internet being a niche platform where only the nerds hang, as internet vernacular has become common use for a majority of English speakers.

This generation of consumers buying decisions are influenced more now, than in any other time because of how fast information spreads, through the plethora of mobile devices and young adults with social media accounts. Twitter, Meta, LinkedIn, Instagram, YouTube, etc. Are all platforms used by the general public.

Tlou2 very much was a video game that suffered from having more of a positive reception on release due to the story plot being leaked, on Youtube, the platform 99% of gamers use. So does the general public not include video gamers, or just people who buy items without researching them, reading articles and watching videos to make a purchase decision?

Cmon now. Stop it, lol.

Late Night Wow GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers



Harry Potter situation isnt even comparable.
 
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Daneel Elijah

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ANDS said:
That's a lot of chicken dinners.

. . .gotta go back to the game at some point. Played on GMGOW and made it past the awful, AWFUL first encounters to getting the fire whip and having to blast through armor and was like "I'm out." I'll get back and play on HARD, but after trying GMGOW on the first game and not even getting past the first troll, I thought I would be able to do it here after getting past the opening (which while epic, was awful, AWFUL. . .mostly due to my lack of skill for this level of difficulty).
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Amen brother! I did the same and played 30 hours at GMGOW difficulty. Then I decided that the game symply wasn't fun that way and continued on hard. Still on it(hopefully close to the end)! The game is worth it but the hardest difficulty being open in a first playthrough was a poison for players like you and me I think.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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diffusionx said:
Here’s an article about CP2077, total budget (incl marketing) of $316 million. No, these numbers are quickly becoming the norm and will keep going up as long as the sales ceiling is high. I don’t think Ragnarok’s production values and marketing push was that far behind cp2077 but my guess it’s closer to that number than $150M.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/cd-projekt-refunded-around-30-000-cyberpunk-2077-copies

$150 million total was a big budget game like 10 years ago.
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CP was using a new engine wasn't it, and was made for 5 platforms. Ragnarok used an updated engine and had 2-platforms. I'd assume the budget was around half or less of 2077 given this context.
 
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AmuroChan

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Coulomb_Barrier said:
CP was using a new engine wasn't it, and was made for 5 platforms. Ragnarok used an updated engine and had 2-platforms. I'd assume the budget was around half or less of 2077 given this context.
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Lots of variables are involved when it comes to game budgets, but one major factor is the geographical location of the studio. Ragnarok as a game should not cost as much as CP to make, IF they're made by the same studio. However, since SSM is in California and not Poland, it has to be taken into account that Sony is paying a premium for the talents in Santa Monica, given the cost of living standards there. To look at an apples to apples comparison, the canceled SciFi RPG game that SSM was working on cost Sony over $100m, and that game was never completed and no marketing dollars have been spent on it yet. That game was in development around the same time as GoW 2018.
 
SeñorOsky305

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Die Namek Ability said:
In a sense they did, what do you think that ending was about and the conversation Odin had with Kratos about being a god people loved, people worshiped. The Kratos we know IS dead
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Wow PlayStation really got a cult following that even when he is Alive and well y'all think he is dead ... I can already see it now. Kratos gone be Alive for 2 more games cause money talks and then third game gone be just Atreus dealing with guilt blah blah blah and then fourth to finish another sage blah blah and fifth game gone start with the birth of his baby girl with that giant girl we met in Ragnarok and rinse and repeat 😹
 
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PixelatedBeast said:
What IS the general public? We live in the digital age/social media era. We're past the point as a civilization of the internet being a niche platform where only the nerds hang, as internet vernacular has become common use for a majority of English speakers.

This generation of consumers buying decisions are influenced more now, than in any other time because of how fast information spreads, through the plethora of mobile devices and young adults with social media accounts. Twitter, Meta, LinkedIn, Instagram, YouTube, etc. Are all platforms used by the general public.

Tlou2 very much was a video game that suffered from having more of a positive reception on release due to the story plot being leaked, on Youtube, the platform 99% of gamers use. So does the general public not include video gamers, or just people who buy items without researching them, reading articles and watching videos to make a purchase decision?

Cmon now. Stop it, lol.

Late Night Wow GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers



Harry Potter situation isnt even comparable.
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You overestimate leaks and social bubbles. The game is one of the better reviewed games of all times, massive marketing campaigns, overwhelming hype.
The general public isn't people who lives under a rock, but people who don't care about controversies, visit gaming communities or discuss everyday about games.
Everyone is part o the general public in some contexts. I'm a general consumer with music, I listen music everyday, I sometimes go to lives, I read news when they pop up on social, but I don't follow musicians life or gossip, I don't care about controversies, sometimes I don't even know that an artist I like released a new single. Pretty chill user I'd say.
 
Die Namek Ability

Die Namek Ability

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SeñorOsky305 said:
Wow PlayStation really got a cult following that even when he is Alive and well y'all think he is dead ... I can already see it now. Kratos gone be Alive for 2 more games cause money talks and then third game gone be just Atreus dealing with guilt blah blah blah and then fourth to finish another sage blah blah and fifth game gone start with the birth of his baby girl with that giant girl we met in Ragnarok and rinse and repeat 😹
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So the only way a story advances in your opinion is if the protagonist dies? You should start a writing career mate you really on to something, ive never seen that one done before..

Also of all the console makers to single out Sony as the one that milks IPs.. You are just detached from reality.

Naughty Dog: Crash Bandicoot -> Jak and Daxter -> Uncharted -> Last of us

Insomniac: Spyro -> Ratchet and Clank -> Resistance -> Spider man -> Wolverine

Gurilla Games: Killzone -> Horizon

Sucker punch: Sly Cooper -> Infamous-> Ghosts of Tsushima

Bend: Syphon Filter -> Days Gone

They rarely dwell on an IP no matter how successful. Its usually 4 or 5 games then on to the next one.
 
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SeñorOsky305

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Die Namek Ability said:
So the only way a story advances in your opinion is if the protagonist dies? You should start a writing career mate you really on to something, ive never seen that one done before..

Also of all the console makers to single out Sony as the one that milks IPs.. You are just detached from reality.

Naughty Dog: Crash Bandicoot -> Jak and Daxter -> Uncharted -> Last of us

Insomniac: Spyro -> Ratchet and Clank -> Resistance -> Spider man -> Wolverine

Gurilla Games: Killzone -> Horizon

Sucker punch: Sly Cooper -> Infamous-> Ghosts of Tsushima

Bend: Syphon Filter -> Days Gone

They rarely dwell on an IP no matter how successful. Its usually 4 or 5 games then on to the next one.
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Wanna bet kratos gone die 🤣 we both know it. Don't deny it bro
 
yurinka

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thismeinteil said:
And yes, as others have pointed out, this just points out the obvious TLOU2 underperformance. When all of Sony's older franchises are selling more on PS4/5, and incredibly more in the case of GOW, TLOU remained stagnant, requiring discounts to get to where it's at. BTW, going by sales, TLOU had the potential to be a much bigger franchise, as GOW's biggest seller before the 2018 PS4 game only did 6M. TLOU PS3 did 10M+.

And people want to bring up bundles. Did its stans ever ask, why isn't TLOU2 in more bundles? I'll give you the answer. Sony knows TLOU2 was a divisive game and isn't going to push as many console sales as GOW and SM will.
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Azurro said:
Why are we talking about TLOU2's obvious sales underperformance in a God of War Ragnarok sales thread? Even the trolling that 11 million is not good enough is more on topic.
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I assume this 'TLOU2 underperformance' must be a joke or something:

TLOU2 was the fastest selling Sony exclusive ever until GoWR broke the new record, and has been a top 10 best selling games of the year in the NA / EU PSN stores for 2020 and (thanks to price cut+TLOUP1) 2022. PSN represents the majority of PS game sales, and NA+EU represents the majority of PS game sales. Even now thanks to the TV show it's again up in the rankings.

On its 2nd anniversary they announced that TLOU2 had sold until then over 10M copies, something that only a small amount of games, a super tiny portion of the total, ever achieved.
 
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diffusionx said:
No those were prices floating around 10 years ago for 360 cross gen AAA titles. It’s wayyyyy more money now. Companies are routinely dripping $300-$400 million total on a big game. God of War is probably not that much but not too far off either.
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Lol what this ain’t avatar 2 lol, 50-70 mil on dev and 100-130 on marketing.
 
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