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GOWR and HFW bundles didn’t account for anywhere near the majority of sales
kanjobazooie
Mouse Ball Fetishist
I don’t think I’ve seen people argue that in this forum.
Edit: Or maybe I have goldfish memory?
Edit: Or maybe I have goldfish memory?
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SLB1904
Banned
I envy you. Bundles were a trend last year to downplay games sales
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Airbus Jr
Banned
There used to be plenty of people here using this argumen to downplay previous ps games
Where are those people now...hahaha....
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Some green fanboys want to drive a narrative that gamers don't want to pay for games anymore and that all they want to do now is to subscribe to gamepass. They think that somehow gamers are now trained to not see the value of buying games anymore.
MasterCornholio
Member
That burnt Lauren guy made that argument a lot. Plus I've seen some others used the forced bundle argument as well.
ANIMAL1975
Member
Bunduru
prinz_valium
Member
The games sold over 500k units physical.
accounting for a majority of sales would be 250k+ bundles each.
PS5 total sales for the year are just ~690k or 770k upweighted.
Hozion has a lot of bundle copies sold tho. GoW share a lot lower.
accounting for a majority of sales would be 250k+ bundles each.
PS5 total sales for the year are just ~690k or 770k upweighted.
Hozion has a lot of bundle copies sold tho. GoW share a lot lower.
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Tiamat2san
Member
I can say that all PS5 sold since at least 3 months where i work are GOW or HFW bundles.
ALL.
And before that most of them were bundles too.
So yeah, it’s not the majority of the games sales but they push bundles because they know that people are desperate to find PS5.
ALL.
And before that most of them were bundles too.
So yeah, it’s not the majority of the games sales but they push bundles because they know that people are desperate to find PS5.
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TheTony316
Member
Don't forget the whole "Using a screwdriver is too complicated"
MasterCornholio
Member
Yeah I was expecting at least some reports of dumb people destroying their PS5s due to that. But I haven't seen anything yet.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
They didn't even believe that narrative themselves lol
That was just them coping with the success
That was just them coping with the success
What about smoke coming out of series x?
JimboJones
Member
We can now sleep easy at night and lighten the anxiety medication.
onesvenus
Member
Last year? It has been a constant on all sides. I still remember people saying Mario Kart 8 numbers were due to the Switch bundle for example
geary
Member
Isn't this the guy who said the Fable restart rumor was fake? I thought he's not trustworthy...
StealthGoblin
Banned
This is very interesting because it shows that PlayStation Studios titles have very strong full priced sales digitally and physically, irrespective of bundling. We know the bundles have hugely driven hardware sales, so the standalone sales must be ginormous.
I had worked under the assumption that GOW:R would have been the first (proper) sequel in a while from Sony to surpass sales of the original game - maybe Horizon did too?
All of this shows why Sony don’t need to put their games day and date in PS+ extra. It would be excellent from a consumer point of view but financially doesn’t make sense for PlayStation.
I do wonder whether Sony are going to use their Netflix partnership to launch Premium on that service. That’s a huge userbase that has the infrastructure in place. I also suspect it’ll be going to PC at some point too.
I had worked under the assumption that GOW:R would have been the first (proper) sequel in a while from Sony to surpass sales of the original game - maybe Horizon did too?
All of this shows why Sony don’t need to put their games day and date in PS+ extra. It would be excellent from a consumer point of view but financially doesn’t make sense for PlayStation.
I do wonder whether Sony are going to use their Netflix partnership to launch Premium on that service. That’s a huge userbase that has the infrastructure in place. I also suspect it’ll be going to PC at some point too.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Im pretty sure anyone on here who ever even thought that narrative made sense is perma-banned.
So not really news to current NeoGAF.
So not really news to current NeoGAF.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Fanboys will forget they read that after 5 min.
Robb
Gold Member
Maybe the next thing we’ll be hearing is that Sony must be faking their numbers. I mean, their games can’t possibly sell well on their own - especially with the increased prices.
jm89
Member
Not sure about the fable stuff. But i would trust chris more then the vast majority of the industry.
SLB1904
Banned
Hey I think is a joke regarding Mario Kart. At least on my side.
He has access to the numbers. Is not a random guy
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GHG
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
Very suspicious wording in the tweet.
"They helped but are not majority of the sales".
Duh, everyone knew that. Why would majority (50% + ) sales come from bundles? Especially when they change bundled game every year.
Biggest reason why bundles theory is sound cause even masterpiece, biggest sellers like Elden Ring manage 17 million sales in a year. So, average games like Days Gone breaking 10 million is suspect.
Not to mention second half of PS4 era had 3-4 games bundled with each console, was exactly the time when those games started breaking sales records.
"They helped but are not majority of the sales".
Duh, everyone knew that. Why would majority (50% + ) sales come from bundles? Especially when they change bundled game every year.
Biggest reason why bundles theory is sound cause even masterpiece, biggest sellers like Elden Ring manage 17 million sales in a year. So, average games like Days Gone breaking 10 million is suspect.
Not to mention second half of PS4 era had 3-4 games bundled with each console, was exactly the time when those games started breaking sales records.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Pretty weird narrative, when the games weren’t included for free. My daughter just recently bought a God of War bundle because that’s the first PS5 she saw in the wild.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
This. There are a handful of games last gen that saw huge sales thanks to massive bundles. I don’t remember anyone here claiming the same about HFW or GOWR, but then again I don’t pay much attention to most sales threads.
There were so many
No hardware ray tracing, only 9 Teraflops, it will be more a Series S competitor, if you install a SSD (only if you're able to get the PhD needed to turn a screw) it will melt the console, no VRR because of hardware HDMI limitations and so on.
So much energy spent on bullshit that failed every time and this just on the hardware side.
On the software side the constant downplay of the critical and sales success of PS studios games that this thread is also addressing.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Imagine if they weren't infants during the 6th gen, needing to work with TWO screws to install an HDD/network adapter on their PS2 or a Game Boy Player on their GameCube.
They'd collapse crying in a corner.
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Iced Arcade
Member
who cares lol
a game sold alone or bundled game is still a game in a gamer's hand.
a game sold alone or bundled game is still a game in a gamer's hand.
SLB1904
Banned
Or fixing snes and megadrive power brick and controllers. Because we couldn't afford new ones. Lol
Thirty7ven
Banned
“nowhere near” it says but fair effort, slightly embarrassing but you do you
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Mr Hyde
Member
Xbox fanboys love to push this shit narrative, especially about Horizon. They also ran with the "it came and went" narrative for Horizon Forbidden West, claiming it flopped and nobody cares when sales data has shown the game charting from time to time showing strong legs. It even has a full blown PS5 only expansion in the works, releasing in a couple of months, what a dud eh?. You must have a pretty pathetic life if you wish for something to fail, just so you can feel good about yourself and your platform of choice.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Your the only one that's suspicious here to be honest.
SLB1904
Banned
Tinfoil hat moment right there
TheGodfather07
Member
It's nonsense. These games will still Chart next year when there are no bundles. I expect both to sell around 20m over the next few years. Sony first party is a powerhouse now and obviously, team green ain't too pleased. Horizon especially is despised by them. Probably cause it looks so damn good. We also had multi page threads about aloy being ugly. If that ain't nitpicking and scraping the bottom of the barrel, then what is?
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yurinka
Member
Well, it's obvious. Bundles are always a small portion of the total sales. They bundle big games with consoles because they know are going to be best sellers and that is likely that many people that will buy the console also going to buy that game, so make the bundle to make the purchase more likely.
Not only with Sony, it happens with all consoles.
It's a nonsensical narrative: Horizon Zero Dawn sold over 20 million copies and Forbidden West is known to have a faster selling launch than Zero Dawn. That can't be with bundles at all, specially considering game sales in PS are around 80% digital and that only a few million consoles were sold that quarter and the next one, and that only a portion of them were bundles with Horizon.
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remember_spinal
Banned
To some people on this board a bundle is sony holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to pay for horizon and god of war
Rift Apart was also bundled and I didn’t see that breaking sales records or landing in the top 5 charts last year, i wonder why sony couldn’t force 20 million people to buy it?
Rift Apart was also bundled and I didn’t see that breaking sales records or landing in the top 5 charts last year, i wonder why sony couldn’t force 20 million people to buy it?
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Magic Carpet
Member
Whats with all the anti bundles threads lately? Bundle a game with a console and it causes Neogaf to lose it's mind.
MasterCornholio
Member
Some don't like it when the PS5 does well. That's really it.
Magic Carpet
Member
There is another thread about Horizon bundles with Xbox. People are all negative about it.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well of course. People are fighting back using the same tactics. I don't agree with it personally but that's the way console warring happens.