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I would give them until next generation.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

i do agree. thought it was obvious i meant the "hardcore" gaming community. it's pathetic that anyone would want to see less competition just so their favourite billion $ company could make more money.

Fanboys will cut off their nose to spider face, so long as they get some sort of "win". You are right, it is truly pathetic.

 

[SNG32]

It’s absolutely a storefront. You stream a game from Gamepass instead of getting it from PSN. You’d then buy all DLCs through Gamepass instead of PSN and Microsoft gets a cut of that purchase instead of Sony.

This makes no financial sense.

It would be for only exclusive games. Not third party.

 

[Black_Stride]

 

[Captain Toad]

I think Microsoft does want gamepass on there and the only thing that’s stopping them is Sony. Microsoft has said that they want there games on every platform. Sony is playing hard to get because they don’t want a Microsoft service on their console.

Duh?

Good grief.

 

[ergem]

Yes that’s the only way I could see it.

Sony can also demand that the games be available ala carte at retail price. Again similar to ea and ubisoft service.

Definite no 3rd party because it will compete with Sony’s own service and ala carte sales.

 

[Banjo64]

When they leave the console hardware biz and only then.

 

[Loomy]

It would be for only exclusive games. Not third party.

Make an executable that can run on PlayStation and sell it through the PSN store then. Gamepass is a radically different conversation and a nonstarter.

 

[SNG32]

When they leave the console hardware biz and only then.

Honestly I think that is the end goal. They got to start on their hardware first then eventually branch out. They can’t sustain the gamepass model on just their own hardware. Especially at the price that it is.

 

[Banjo64]

I think Microsoft does want gamepass on there and the only thing that’s stopping them is Sony. Microsoft has said that they want there games on every platform. Sony is playing hard to get because they don’t want a Microsoft service on their console.

Aside from Phil’s email saying they want xCloud on PS and Nintendo we don’t know anything about this.

Do they want full fledged Game Pass with third party games? Is it just Xbox first party? What’s the financial split look like? Do you need an XBL account? Can you play online without PS Plus? How’s DLC purchasing work if it’s cloud only and what’s the split for DLC?

All we’ve had is generic feel good comments about it but Sony said in the CMA submissions that MS won’t allow PSN accounts on Xbox which makes me think it’s to do with accounts and data gathering.

My own input is that I want it everywhere. I’d love to sell my Xbox and just subscribe to Nintendo xCloud for £7.99 a month - would be a truly consumer friendly move. Just need to know how it can be ironed out.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

I think Microsoft does want gamepass on there and the only thing that’s stopping them is Sony. Microsoft has said that they want there games on every platform. Sony is playing hard to get because they don’t want a Microsoft service on their console.

It goes both ways. Microsoft refused Sony Playstation + on Xbox consoles. Sony said that themselves to the CMA a few months ago I think

 

[SNG32]

It goes both ways. Microsoft refused Sony Playstation + on Xbox consoles. Sony said that themselves to the CMA a few months ago I think

They don’t want to be in the hardware business they want to be a full fledge service at the end of the day just like how microsoft office is.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Microsoft has already attempted to put GP on PS and Sony refused.

This came out during Microsoft submission to regulators.

MS has approached Sony on a number of occasions about this but Sony always said no

 

[Saber]

Sony isn't some desparate company to even going on a deal to Microsoft. And they have their own subscription, why the heck they would trash their own for GP? Like, this would be incredibly stupid. Absurdly stupid OP.

 

[SNG32]

Sony isn't some desparate company to even going on a deal to Microsoft. And they have their own subscription, why the heck they would trash their own for GP? Like, this would be incredibly stupid. Absurdly stupid OP.

Stop having console bias. Sony is being anti-gamer if Microsoft is willing to put their exclusive games on the platform with a service. And not giving us the option to play them.

I don’t see how this would affect Sony. They would still have their own service for their exclusives and third party games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

MS has approached Sony on a number of occasions about this but Sony always said no

 

[[Sigma]]

OP

 

[FalsettoVibe]

When the deal only includes MS first party games for $6 or $7 a month.

 

[SNG32]

OP

If this deal goes through Microsoft will continuing buying up what’s left of the gaming industry. I think this deal is making them switch gears to go more the service route. They will no longer be competing with Sony.

So it won’t be as much of a pipe dream as the gif intends.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Stop having console bias. Sony is being anti-gamer if Microsoft is willing to put their exclusive games on the platform with a service. And not giving us the option to play them.

I don’t see how this would affect Sony. They would still have their own service for their exclusives and third party games.

Because they are concurrents. Why would Sony allow Microsoft to do this when Microsoft does not allow Sony service in their consoles?

They don’t want to be in the hardware business they want to be a full fledge service at the end of the day just like how microsoft office is.

Yeah. But they still have consoles now. When/if they stop producing Xbox consoles they will find it more easy to make that kind of deal with Sony. In the meantime unless they made a deal very enticing to Sony it will not happen. And this is logical: Sony worked hard to have the PS4 and PS5 sell as much as they have and continue to do. Normal for them to seek the benefits of those efforts. If Microsoft want to enter this submarket and find a new audience in Playstation players they have to make Sony happy.

 

[RoadHazard]

I predict never. Don't know why Sony would ever want that. Even if they were to get, say, a 30% cut of all subscriptions, why would they accept that when they can instead get 100% of all PS+ subscriptions?

 

[Loomy]

Stop having console bias. Sony is being anti-gamer if Microsoft is willing to put their exclusive games on the platform with a service. And not giving us the option to play them.

I don’t see how this would affect Sony. They would still have their own service for their exclusives and third party games.

There’s no console bias here. You’re just proposing an astonishingly dumb idea trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.

Again, Microsoft is free to sell Halo on PlayStation. They don’t need gamepass on PlayStation for that.

Imagine saying Walmart is anti consumer because they don’t sell Costco branded stuff in their store.

 

[Saber]

Stop having console bias. Sony is being anti-gamer

What part of this is bias? Stop being a complete idiot.
Sony doesn't have a single reason to allow GP, we're talking about rival companies. They have no reason and no obligation to do that, what you feel
about this is completelly meanless because neither of them care about you, only your money. They have their own subscription and so does Nintendo. Putting them aside for GP would be moronic, no matter how much you keep spamming this anti-consumer stuff.

 

[Talkin Hawkin]

never

 

[SHA]

Who's relying on sales ? there's a clear answer if future sales gonna be desperate.

 

[nial]

Subscription services really make people retarded, huh.

 

[Snake29]

There is absolutely no reason. It means that Xbox needs to build all these games natively for de PS5, yes and even Starfield.

Streaming? Hell no, nobody would care. The only logical option would be XCloud nothing else.

 

[SNG32]

Because they are concurrents. Why would Sony allow Microsoft to do this when Microsoft does not allow Sony service in their consoles?

Yeah. But they still have consoles now. When/if they stop producing Xbox consoles they will find it more easy to make that kind of deal with Sony. In the meantime unless they made a deal very enticing to Sony it will not happen. And this is logical: Sony worked hard to have the PS4 and PS5 sell as much as they have and continue to do. Normal for them to seek the benefits of those efforts. If Microsoft want to enter this submarket and find a new audience in Playstation players they have to make Sony happy.

I think Microsoft is trying to set it up that way but they can’t sell a service if their competitors aren’t buying. So they have to
start on there own hardware.

about this is meanless because neither of them care about you, only your money. They have their own subscription and so does Nintendo. Putting them aside for GP would be moronic, no matter how much you keep spamming this anti-consumer stuff.

First of all I’m saying game pass for there exclusives I’m not saying for third party. Sony can still have their subscription service and make money.

 

[Bragr]

You’re thinking of the Geforce deal, Nintendo’s was for just COD.

There was a Microsoft head who tweeted that they will bring Xbox games like Call of Duty to Nintendo, Xbox games in general, not just Call of Duty. That the Call of Duty deal was just the official signed deal at the moment. It basically hinted that more stuff is coming over, but there is a possibility he said something wrong.

 

[legacy24]

PS plus is good enough tbh no need for gamepass

 

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If the Activision deal goes through, the investors are going to want a return on that investment. If they continue to struggle to sell boxes at 40-50mil lifetime units per box, then the only option for them to even come close to make that money back is by bringing it to the Playstation/Nintendo install bases. There's 200mil + customers right there if they want them.

 

[Loomy]

I think Microsoft is trying to set it up that way but they can’t sell a service if their competitors aren’t buying. So they have to
start on there own hardware.

First of all I’m saying game pass for there exclusives I’m not saying for third party. Sony can still have their subscription service and make money.

You seem to be under the impression that gamepass is needed to play Xbox games. That’s not the case. Microsoft can do what every other third party does on PlayStation. Make a PS version of the game and get it certified by Sony and sell it on PSN. No gamepass required.

 

[SlimySnake]

When MS goes 3rd party.

And even then, it wont be the gamepass we know today. Sony just allowed EA and Ubisoft, but disallowed day one releases. There is no Sony is going to allow MS to have Atomic Heart, Wu Long and other games on their service on day one. They want that 30% cut on the $70 game. Not a 30% cut on a $10 sub.

 

[Yoboman]

Nothing is stopping MS from putting their games on PS as a publisher and then doing an Xbox first party Gamepass just like Ubisoft and EA have their own subs

Nothing except that's not the version of Gamepass they want on other systems is it?

 

[SNG32]

And even then, it wont be the gamepass we know today. Sony just allowed EA and Ubisoft, but disallowed day one releases. There is no Sony is going to allow MS to have Atomic Heart, Wu Long and other games on their service on day one. They want that 30% cut on the $70 game. Not a 30% cut on a $10 sub.

I’m not taking about those games that doesn’t necessarily have to be the deal out in place. Just Bethesda, Activision, Tango, all Microsoft studio games and not third party.

 

[SNG32]

Nothing is stopping MS from putting their games on PS as a publisher and then doing an Xbox first party Gamepass just like Ubisoft and EA have their own subs

Nothing except that's not the version of Gamepass they want on other systems is it?

We don’t know what the conversation was. Sony probably doesn’t want a Microsoft service period. It took them a long time to get behind the idea of allowing Ea and Ubisoft services on the platform.

 

[Ronin_7]

Unless Microsoft buy Sony, I doubt that will ever happen.

Too expensive for anyone to try buying.

 

[FoxMcChief]

When Sony decides they want to finally be pro-consumer.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

(Couldn’t resist, but I agree with you)

 

[Shakka43]

I wanna know what is the thought process of people who think this is even a possibility?
Like why would Sony allow a competing service cannibalized their direct third party sales of games, especially when they have their own subscription model witch precedes Game Pass.

 

[SNG32]

I wanna know what is the thought process of people who think this is even a possibility?
Like why would Sony allow a competing service cannibalized their direct third party sales of games, especially when they have their own subscription model witch precedes Game Pass.

For Microsoft exclusives not third party.

 

[SlimySnake]

I’m not taking about those games that doesn’t necessarily have to be the deal out in place. Just Bethesda, Activision, Tango, all Microsoft studio games and not third party.

Sony doesn’t allow ea premium or Ubisoft plus both of which are $15 subs that have Day one releases on PC.

They have a watered down version of those services which is what ms will have to settle for.

 

[SNG32]

Sony doesn’t allow ea premium or Ubisoft plus both of which are $15 subs that have Day one releases on PC.

They have a watered down version of those services which is what ms will have to settle for.

Which to me is anti-consumer. I think Microsoft is willing to settle for that but like I said before it’s Microsoft so Sony is playing hard to get.

 

[Kacho]

I wanna know what is the thought process of people who think this is even a possibility?
Like why would Sony allow a competing service cannibalized their direct third party sales of games, especially when they have their own subscription model witch precedes Game Pass.

Even if we humor a hypothetical situation which only includes Xbox first party, Sony is in the business of taking a 30% cut on new releases at full price. They aren’t going to accommodate Microsoft in their race to bottom to completely devalue games.

 

[LordCBH]

It’ll never happen. OP, go ask Microsoft if they’d allow PS+ on Xbox. I’ll save you the trouble: they won’t allow it.

 

[Nautilus]

*Reads the Nintendo bit about how they are letting Gamepass into their system*

 

[Venom Snake]

Hopefully forever.

There's enough corporate bullshit on each platform already, no need to add more.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

I think the answer is...when Hell is freezing over...so aint gonna happen, until MS bought all developers and publicers then Sony has no choice, but thats not gonna happen anyway.
The only way it would happen if MS will be a third party developer in the future

 

[SlimySnake]

Which to me is anti-consumer. I think Microsoft is willing to settle for that but like I said before it’s Microsoft so Sony is playing hard to get.

why is it anti-consumer? Sony spends billions on hardware. billions more on marketing. billions on first party games. all to cultivate an audience that they can then charge 30% for. Why should ubisoft sweep in and get access to that audience for a small $3 fee on a $10 sub?

this aint a charity.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Why would this happen with play station super duper plus out?

Does game pass have super in the name? No, point PlayStation

Does game pass have super in the name?
No, point PlayStation

I think I have my point