brap
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Don't forget the ones that make 4 posts after being away for a couple of years! I sure do love their metacommentary.
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Holgren
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Cancel-culture believe it or not, is specific to certain countries and hasn't developed in others. It was only here when I heard the term actually and I could see certain actions in my country that could fall in that category but never in the scale that it seems its happening in the U.S.
That specific part you quoted was aimed mainly to the posts beyond the main Resetera OT that only namedrop the forum. The main OT has plenty evidence and examples of what is going in REE, but to shitpost with it in topics beyond does disservice to this forum and yes, it is good publicity if it is not backed up with the evidence found in the OT. Newcomers wouldn't know shit about this forum and this namedroping in every subforum would inevitability create curiosity.
I just don't understand the necessity to talk shit about it all the time even though JordanN showed me plenty of examples to why some people would feel the need. I just have a different approach to all of this. Having suffered REE unjustful ban myself, I prefer to talk my peace and let the place rot and fall by its own weight. The namedrops that occur in different topics throughout this forum are in my opinion poisoning and affecting negatively to every debate happening here. It's not helpful neither to destroy the image of REE nor to the content of this forum where it is that I see is the solution to overcome REE shit culture. I am clearly not the only person that feels this way, hence this thread.
But I guess the solution is to cancel each other out, one by banning, the other by the contentless shitposting about the other. Either way, both communities are suffering by it.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Asking you to explain yourself -- when you are just another poster whining about lean out of dozens -- is not "more interested in winning a debate than discussing an issue objective". Quite the opposite: getting some objective examples would be a prerequisite to having an objective discussion at all, which is why I asked for them. Thank you for backing up your own standpoints with links.Sounds like you're more interested in winning a debate than discussing the issue objectively, setting up goal posts that can't be reached ("what measure are you using to quantify the lean" - something you know damn well can't be measured or quantified) and getting so caught up on the word "lean" you're missing the forest for the trees. I think anyone who has spent time browsing through the threads and comments in politics know it's more pro-Trump and pro-conservative than it isn't and many people refer to that as "leaning right" whether you like the word "lean" used in that scenario or not.
What topics lean right in politics on GAF you asked? Well, most. Pretty much all political talking points have a much heavier voice to the right in the actual discussion sections and I think it would be intellectually dishonest to claim otherwise. It certainly doesn't bother me since quite a few of these stances mirror my own, but that doesn't mean I'm not also aware of the general trends of the section. I'm willing to call that "spade" what it is - the spade being that the politics section is clearly more pro-Trump, pro-conservative, and pro-republican than anything else.
1. General threads about the issue -
Am I the only person here against Trump?
I try to stay out of the political part of this forum, because I fear the answer to my question, but seriously...am I the only person here who sees Trump for sack of shit that he is? It just depresses me seeing so many people here seem to support him. You can say the Democrats have fucked up a...www.neogaf.com
2. Greta -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/how-trump-broke-crazy-nancy.1524195/
Consensus among ppl in USA about Greta?? Feels like trying to have cake and eat it too
My guess it: -liberals are annoyed by her but agree with her message -conservatives like her for the wrong reasons - they love to laugh at her and make fun of her to trigger sensitive liberals. Is that right?Greta Thunberg is Time magazine's Person Of The Year
She's behind you...
3. Impeachment stuff -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/pres...1-yays-52-nays-48-a2-yays-53-nays-47.1524276/
Democrat Congressman Admits Impeachment Plot Started While Trump Was Running For Office
Dem Rep Al Green: “To be Very Candid With You, the Genesis Of Impeachment…Was When the President Was Running For Office” I guess we already knew, but there you have it, Green is not even ashamed to tell it like it is; They are accusing the president for high crimes, corruption, bribery...Following impeachment vote, Pelosi threatens to delay Senate impeachment trial
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/18/trump-impeachment-trial-steny-hoyer-087319 Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused to commit Wednesday to delivering articles of impeachment to the Senate, citing concerns about an unfair trial on removing President Donald Trump from office. Senior Democratic...Let's have a discussion about the evidence supporting Trumps impeachment and whether it's sufficient or not.
So I've been hesitant to post on this forum after it moved slightly to the left since I had no way of gauging what would be considered out of bounds or not. Several threads have had users attack each other on partisan bases, usually devolving into insults, preventing any real discourse from...
4. Iran issues last few months -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-left-is-blaming-trump-for-iran-shooting-down-the-plane.1519905/
5. Pelosi/speech rip -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/pelo...-at-conclusion-of-state-of-the-union.1524198/
How Trump Broke Crazy Nancy
We all know Trump is the greatest troll who ever became President. We all saw how Nancy was talking to herself during SOTU and having strange facial contortions and strange head jerks as if she was short circuiting. Now video footage appears to show what may have sent her overboard... You've...Nancy Pelosi gave out souvenir pens after sending impeachment to the Senate
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/16/nancy-pelosi-pens-impeachment/ Writing implements used to sign bills or executive orders are often handed out as keepsakes, and Pelosi followed a Washington tradition Wednesday when she used pen after pen to write tiny portions of her signature...
6. General Dem party stuff -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/democrat-party-looking-pretty-pathetic.1527030/page-2#post-257019657
Change my mind: What is so great about living in a liberal stronghold?
This thread isn't meant to be an echo chamber. In fact, I do want to hear voices from the other side about this. I want to know, what exactly makes life living in these different locales on earth that by and far large, vote Liberal/Left by a SIGNIFICANT margin. Whether this is Toronto...A reminder that DNC operatives paid people to pick fights with Trump supporters at trump rallies
During the 2016 election, this was exposed. They did so because they knew the media would frame the coverage and blame it on trump supporters. The media barely touched this story in 2016. Two of the DNC operatives exposed in this video were fired. Pretty deplorable, no?
7. Gun control -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gallup-majority-of-americans-support-stricter-gun-control.1500703/
8. Climate change -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/can-...limate-change-increases-forest-fires.1520382/
Young people seek help for anxiety over climate change
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/young-people-seek-help-for-anxiety-over-climate-change-wsqhggv2n Young people seek help for anxiety over climate change The scale of climate change has led to an increase in reports of “eco-anxiety”, particularly among children and teenagers, health...
9. Abortion -
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/miss...n-bill-following-alabama-and-georgia.1481635/
edit - I don't know how to get these damn links to all show the same way, some seem to "unfurl" and others don't.
I don't think the board is pro-conservative. Pro-Trump? Possibly, though we have a wide variety of vocal anti-Trump voices on the forum.
Your mistake, however, is assuming that taking a stance against certain Democrat or far-left viewpoints makes things "right", but that's a gross simplification. Being anti-SJW doesn't make one pro-anything, so being anti-Greta or anti-Pelosi doesn't make one pro-anything either, nor does it imply the forum leans right. There is a distaste for authoritarians and for politicking and in the present time Democrats and far-left ideologues are guilty of doing that more often.
I don't think GAF has lean at all. Rather, there are some views expressed from both extremes and a lot of views expressed from the middle of the spectrum, center-left and center-right. I could also cherry pick a handful of Left-leaning threads but it wouldn't prove a lean either way. The concern itself is stupid, based on a simple-minded premise, and the number of people who spend time whining about "lean" has grown so large that I no longer give the claims any benefit of the doubt unless someone furnishes proof. It certainly doesn't help when a basic request for one to back up their viewpoint results in several back-and-forth posts and then an unsatisfying handful of cherry-picked examples, but I can't say I'm surprised.
Bigrx1
Banned
"Asking you to explain yourself -- when you are just another poster whining about lean out of dozens -- is not "more interested in winning a debate than discussing an issue objective".
Here you misrepresent our previous point of discussion by omitting what I actually said was the main example showcasing your desire to win an argument - the statement "what measure are you using to quantify the lean". This is an impossible goal post set by you since it isn't measurable, and people make impossible goal posts to win an argument. You conveniently ignore that point entirely in this reply though, which isn't surprising. Throw in a low-key ad hominem for good measure, I'm "just another whiner" to in essence say my points have no value. Then, also make a lose-lose regarding sources for my opinions. First it's "bet you won't even reply with any examples to back up your opinions or answer my questions." I do, and give plenty of them. But, of course, they aren't enough, they are cherry picked, if you wanted you could find just as many on the other side. If you give me examples you lose and if you don't you lose = I WIN!
Quite honestly this reply just furthers my opinion that you're more interested in winning an argument than being objective about the issue and having a good faith discussion. Coupled with your consistently haughty and condescending attitude it really kind of just comes across to me as someone completely enamored with themselves that relishes in showing the forum how smart they are while using just as many logical fallacies and bad faith argument discussions tactics as the next guy.
Vicetrailia
Member
The political section clearly has a right-leaning bias. There are more right-wing posters than left, and more moderates posters than left. Key word consistent posters.
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Not giving a “rat’s arse about politics,” a system of interconnected decisions that figure so prominently in our quality of life, seems rather odd unless you live under a rock. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion your views fall well right of center?
brap
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>neo memeber
>joined about a month ago
>accusing people of being right wing
>spewing garbage
Yep. Checks out.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I am a democrat. I play games. I come here to talk about games, not try to inflate my fragile little ego that is so heavily tied to their political tribe like some limp dick mental reprobate like you. You seem to forget that NeoGAF is a VIDEO GAME FORUM. That is its primary goal. That has always been its primary goal. That will always be its primary goal. The owner, mods, and community all agree on this point.
Please fuck off.
Seriously, why do people like you come to a forum like this one. There are plenty of forums like dailykos or resetera that are left wing echo Chambers. Why come to a place like neogaf that is explicitly not one?
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Papa
Banned
You cunts wouldn’t know real right wingers if they were thumping bibles in your face. While there are a few self-described conservatives like
appaws
mcz117chief
DunDunDunpachi
and a few others I’ve no doubt missed, most are classical liberals who are exasperated with how far left the current overton window has drifted. Just because you lot are playing around down in the bottom left quadrant of the horseshoe doesn’t mean the rest of us have changed position to accommodate. We may appear far to the right of you, but that doesn’t make us right wing. Most of us want free speech, equality of opportunity irrespective of immutables, and to be left the fuck alone by authoritarian cunts on either side. If that makes us right wing then you’re painting yourself into an ideological corner.This goes for any other dumb cunt who thinks we’re a right wing echo chamber just because we don’t censor conservatives.
Vicetrailia
Member
You cunts wouldn’t know real right wingers if they were thumping bibles in your face. While there are a few self-described conservatives like
This goes for any other dumb cunt who thinks we’re a right wing echo chamber just because we don’t censor conservatives.
You are right wing you fucking auzzie. You're no different than any other American right winger.
I'm right-wing as well, but I call a spade a spade. Apparently no right-winger here can do that. You all have this Tim Pool deniability fallacy fantasy.
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Schrödinger's cat
Banned
This statement says far more about you than your subject.
JordanN
Banned
What is the definition of "right-wing"?
Even amongst the Republican Party, there is still varying beliefs and elements. Hell, the 2016 Republican primary was more diverse than the Democrats own (i.e just Hillary and Bernie Sanders back then).
It is still possible to be right-wing but also be center or even center-left. The inverse also exists.
There are people who are actually left-wing but still strongly support some laisez-faire ideas. Like
davidjaffe
is liberal, but people still call him Nazi for defending free speech.
The lines can blur sometimes where left isn't always left and right doesn't have to mean bleeding heart conservative.
Even amongst the Republican Party, there is still varying beliefs and elements. Hell, the 2016 Republican primary was more diverse than the Democrats own (i.e just Hillary and Bernie Sanders back then).
It is still possible to be right-wing but also be center or even center-left. The inverse also exists.
There are people who are actually left-wing but still strongly support some laisez-faire ideas. Like
davidjaffe
is liberal, but people still call him Nazi for defending free speech.The lines can blur sometimes where left isn't always left and right doesn't have to mean bleeding heart conservative.
nush
Gold Member
You'll be waiting a long time for an answer from the accusers of people being right-wing that cant be destroyed in a nanosecond.
Papa
Banned
Substantiate your claim, midwit.
DKehoe
Member
In reality people’s opinions are too layered and nuanced for right wing/left wing to be a catch all. Also, we’re a global community here on GAF and so right and left will have slightly different meanings depending on where each person is from. If you want to criticise someone’s ideas then go for it but you can’t just criticise the label you attach to that person yourself.
Kagey K
Banned
I saw you post that pic in the other thread. So I’m just going to run the scenario.
All right wing republicans get nuked, or blasted off the earth or Thanos snapped.
Extreme left wing: We should do this......
Moderates : No we should do this
Extreme Left: All right Nazi
Moderate left: No I’m Not.
repeat.
Domisto
Member
First up, the mods here do a good job and as a whole GAF is doing fine. *looks upthread* Heated chatter and all.
What I notice is when woke stuff etc comes up there are a small number of posters that get really worked up about it. It doesn't bother me so long as it stays civil. I mostly worry about their blood pressure.
Some of it is about legit interesting topics and some look like overreactions. I normally don't get involved because that's not what I'm here to talk about.
The whole right/left era/gaf crap is as entertaining as it is exasperating. Imma sit on this fence with my popcorn.
What I notice is when woke stuff etc comes up there are a small number of posters that get really worked up about it. It doesn't bother me so long as it stays civil. I mostly worry about their blood pressure.
Some of it is about legit interesting topics and some look like overreactions. I normally don't get involved because that's not what I'm here to talk about.
The whole right/left era/gaf crap is as entertaining as it is exasperating. Imma sit on this fence with my popcorn.
ROMhack
Member
NeoGAF is probably more conservative (small c). I notice it mainly cause I'm a liberal chap and quite often don't agree with certain ideas put forward here. It doesn't matter much though because people are people and, you know, are allowed to have different opinions. I think as long as that's the attitude you have then you can get along fine in different social circles and accept the range of different viewpoints you'll find in society.
Humour and a good nature go a long way.
Humour and a good nature go a long way.
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Super Mario
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Anyone who believes that you are not a victim because you are not a straight, white, rich, male.[/QUOTE]
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Vicetrailia
Member
Everytime it pops up going forward I'll like your posts or point it out. I'm not going to retroactively look at all your positions on family values/culture, abortion, welfare, general economics, healthcare (even though that thread was funny "but the rest of the world suffers without your R&D so keep your higher costs and lack of healthcare sorry guys"), immigration, etc.
Right now you're thinking "I just hate the far left looney shit" but that's not true. You seem more like an "I got mine" type.
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-Arcadia-
Banned
Even if Gaf was right wing... so?
1: Left-wingers can speak their piece and contribute without being banned. Even the most awful leftist posters that engage in slander and lies on a regular basis, generally post free, their punishment being their own reputations.
2: There is literally almost nowhere else to talk about right wing things, because just about the whole lot of you are hypocritical, authoritarian pieces of shit, and have banned and censored everything you’ve got your hands on, then want to cry when you encounter a different opinion here.
Not a peep about any other places doing the reverse, though, and far worse. Wonder why that is?
3: Instead of bitching that a community and culture naturally formed, be the change you seek, and bring left-leaning points of view to Gaf. Just don’t be surprised and scream oppression, if you go full loony with it and get appropriate treatment.
1: Left-wingers can speak their piece and contribute without being banned. Even the most awful leftist posters that engage in slander and lies on a regular basis, generally post free, their punishment being their own reputations.
2: There is literally almost nowhere else to talk about right wing things, because just about the whole lot of you are hypocritical, authoritarian pieces of shit, and have banned and censored everything you’ve got your hands on, then want to cry when you encounter a different opinion here.
Not a peep about any other places doing the reverse, though, and far worse. Wonder why that is?
3: Instead of bitching that a community and culture naturally formed, be the change you seek, and bring left-leaning points of view to Gaf. Just don’t be surprised and scream oppression, if you go full loony with it and get appropriate treatment.
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iconmaster
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No no, it’s just a matter of degree. Around here it’s largely preaching to the choir. We can call out totalitarian leftist thinking, but it’s more useful to model the alternative. I think GAF is actually pretty good at both; it’s just a question of emphasis.
Someone suggested a “game politics” sub-forum under gaming to hold the “can you believe these people?” sort of threads. That’s probably too convoluted to happen, but I find the notion appealing.
I’m not sure if this is directed at the topic or at a universal other, but if you think we disagree you’ve misunderstood me.
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-Arcadia-
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Not you, obviously. It’s aimed at a certain type.
It's always been fascinating to me, mostly the metadiscussion between the forums. You see it on both sites, much more pronounced on GAF of course where it is allowed with some restriction. It's very much a culture war of sorts being played out on perhaps the most inconsequential battle lines possible (hobbyist forums), which is why the fare mostly just devolves into complaining and making fun of "the other side." Schadenfreude is a powerfully entertaining emotion, I'm sure we can all agree.
There is a "right leaning bias" in the politics forum like others have said, mostly because it's the same few dozen or so folks driving the discussion. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, no reason to pretend that isn't the case. It's mostly in the aforementioned vein of criticizing and mocking "SJWs," "the regressive left," and the Democrats. It is far less hostile, generally speaking, to Republicans and conservative ideology. Asking for hard statistical accounting isn't necessary to observe this, and it operates along the same lines as the premise of this thread. Again, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. A loosely moderated forum has produced this culture, and confirmation bias solidifies the members who frequently participate in discussion. There is an in group, and an out group. The community has spoken, and is speaking.
This pushback to the concern broached in the OP about GAF becoming a right-wing echo chamber mostly stands on the foundational argument that the mods won't ban "dissenting voices." (Which in itself an acknowledgement of a right-leaning base.) It is true, mods let most opinions air without argument. But it relies on the assumption that an echo chamber can only be enforced by hard resistance to bubble and outside thinking. There is a passive cultural barrier that is certainly in the politics forum and - by testimony from the OP and several responses - possibly observable throughout GAF. There is little incentive for left leaning people to participate in discussion currently. Anecdotally, I've witnessed several posters stop engaging throughout the months and years.
There is a "right leaning bias" in the politics forum like others have said, mostly because it's the same few dozen or so folks driving the discussion. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, no reason to pretend that isn't the case. It's mostly in the aforementioned vein of criticizing and mocking "SJWs," "the regressive left," and the Democrats. It is far less hostile, generally speaking, to Republicans and conservative ideology. Asking for hard statistical accounting isn't necessary to observe this, and it operates along the same lines as the premise of this thread. Again, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. A loosely moderated forum has produced this culture, and confirmation bias solidifies the members who frequently participate in discussion. There is an in group, and an out group. The community has spoken, and is speaking.
This pushback to the concern broached in the OP about GAF becoming a right-wing echo chamber mostly stands on the foundational argument that the mods won't ban "dissenting voices." (Which in itself an acknowledgement of a right-leaning base.) It is true, mods let most opinions air without argument. But it relies on the assumption that an echo chamber can only be enforced by hard resistance to bubble and outside thinking. There is a passive cultural barrier that is certainly in the politics forum and - by testimony from the OP and several responses - possibly observable throughout GAF. There is little incentive for left leaning people to participate in discussion currently. Anecdotally, I've witnessed several posters stop engaging throughout the months and years.
JordanN
Banned
I get annoyed by this statement, because it generalizes or dismisses the real arguments that take place in the politics section.
There's not much a right leaning but rather an "anti-bullshit" bias.
As I mentioned in the first page of this topic, Jack Thompson for years was doing the same type of swindling that the modern left has been come to known by, yet how many right-wingers do you know are actually on Jack's side?
I believe the same nuance exists on the rest of GAF. People will challenge the status quo and side with issues that sound reasonable rather than it being "Trump MAGA 2020" 24/7.
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Tesseract
Banned
Then it is not equitable "anti-bullshit." I didn't use any terms along those lines because that's loaded language. If it's "anti bullshit," the politics section is more concerned with "left-leaning" bullshit by a wide margin. Hence, why people observe it to be a right-leaning meta, and is the reason for this thread.
Again, there's no real need to defend that. You call it anti-bullshit, which is not an objective statement, but rather your personal view. And it is seemingly shared by the principle drivers of discussion in that forum. That's all well and fine, but the (light) criticism of this thread is how it may be leading to an echo chamber by way of passive barriers, with certain posters taking their disdain of the "other side" into perhaps not-chill dimensions. And if the community cared about it, there could be reflection upon that possibility. And if the community doesn't care and/or prefers the status quo, then it is what it is.
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JordanN
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Because there's more left-leaning bullshit to begin with?
I keep challenging people but very few want to take the offer. If you see something right-wing that deserves to be called out, post it.
Otherwise, complaining does nothing but makes us look right (no pun intended).
I mean, when even criminals are surprised the left-wing system refuses to punish them, it is objective.
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Again, this relies on the self-reinforcing belief that your view of the world is the correct one, which is quite literally the definition of an echo chamber.
JordanN
Banned
Unless I'm shown counter-evidence (which I keep asking you to do), why wouldn't I believe they're mostly correct?
Do you think it's controversial if I believe murder is wrong? Is it an echo chamber if I've done the research and can't come up with an argument to justify why it has to be good?
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Papa
Banned
I’d say even more than that, it’s anti-authoritarian, and right now the authoritarians are mostly on the left. I’ll admit that overall, we’re right of current_year left, but we’re still slightly left of 10 years ago centre. The left’s slide into ideological territory is not our problem, and we can’t let their fragile egos guilt us into accepting it as ours.
Remember that thing your mother would always say and you’d roll your eyes? “If your friends all jumped off a cliff, would you follow them?” Well, we’re refusing to follow them. But it wasn’t a cliff, it was just a ledge, and they’ve landed in a rotten swamp below. They’re all splashing around getting filthy, some are drowning, but in unison they’re yelling out “come on in, the water’s fine! You’re a Nazi if you don’t!” I’m inclined to just point and laugh with my legs dangling over the ledge as more and more of them drown though.
Tesseract
Banned
that's literally not the definition of echo chamber, most everyone suffers confirmation bias in every moment
it's more to do with the encounters of beliefs not your own
Echo chambers are not validated by whether their topics discussed within the in group are "correct." This is why I'm not using loaded language like "correct" or "bullshit" to describe the situation. The Politics forum content is mostly criticizing/mocking entities and people most would refer to as being "left leaning." That doesn't seem to be a controversial statement. In the zealous manner of doing so, the forum's meta may skew - and be perceived to be - "right leaning." That's what this topic is about. Of course you and several others will think your ideology is correct, that tautological reasoning doesn't matter in this case. But you thinking your ideology and your criticisms are correct does not preclude them from constructing an echo chamber passively.
You seem to be concerned mostly with the moral underpinnings of that possibility, but going back to my earlier statement, it's simply a function of the community structuring itself, so there's no need to pretend it is anything but that.
JordanN
Banned
There are still people with dissenting ideas who come to the politics section. No one is even 100% the same in that forum.
You are upset that left-leaning topics are over represented when it comes to being anti-bullshit, but I'm telling you that's just the nature of the world right now.
Just as how there was a time when Mortal Kombat and GTA were all being targeted by Conservatives. Take your anger out on the modern-left who are giving us ammo to criticize them more, instead of point blank calling us an echo chamber.
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You are projecting feelings and emotions on to me that I am not presenting. All I did was offer my perspective, and summed up that the overall meta is for the community to decide. It's a simple enough takeaway, and your thesis that "left ideology is more bullshit than its counterpart is reality" is only tangential to the topic at hand.
People are voicing their opinion that GAF comes off as a right leaning echo chamber sometimes. Claiming that it's not right leaning, but rather "anti bullshit," does not really seem to address the claim in any direct way, especially since being "anti bullshit" and "right leaning" are not mutually exclusive concepts.
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JordanN
Banned
And I explained why this is wrong.
1. I keep reaching out. I'm literally begging. I ask people to post more anti-right wing news and they all run away. That's not our fault if they refuse to engage.
2. You don't know what's right-leaning. I'm debating right now in politics section that my arguments about immigration are in fact, coming from an anti-capitalist point of view. Another user even agreed with me that the Democrats (who are suppose to be left-wing) actually have more far-right views than the Republicans.
There is tons of nuance that can't just be summed up as "right leaning echo chamber". It tells me that you might not actually read the arguments that are there in depth.
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Katsura
Member
That's because the only authoritarians of any significance are from the left. Sure there are some on the right but they are not in positions of power. Meanwhile, the authoritarian left has a hold on education and media. It's pretty fucking simple why they're the focus
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Joe T.
Member
Why do you believe that's the case? That kind of thinking would worsen the situation, not improve it.
When the default position is "Trump is an existential threat" there's really only one direction to go.
The media is disproportionately liberal and tries to attach Trump to as many stories as they can because they believe it will increase views/ratings/engagement. We've also gone through 3+ years where the Dems tried to remove him from office which only made the overexposure worse. That during a period of time where the media in general is behaving more like tabloid reporting than informative investigative reporting - sensationalizing everything - and it stands to reason that there's a disproportionate amount of push back against pro-Dem/liberal viewpoints here. It doesn't happen at RE because, in my experience, it can't.
I've found myself advocating for some of the same policies as Trump. In your eyes that alone might be enough to deem me a Trump supporter/apologist, Republican, conservative or maybe even far/alt-right, but those are also ideas the Democrats were advocating for just a decade ago. Maybe the window's moved further than I have over the years and turned me into a current day conservative, if that's the case I have no reason to fight it. I am who I am.
I do know one thing for sure, and I think most reasonable people, regardless of their political party affiliation, know it deep down themselves: Trump isn't the monster he's been made out to be. If we could all concede at least that much it would give us a more inviting field for discussion.
Domisto
Member
Are we really using the politics forum to gauge the whole sites opinions? There's obvious flaws with that.
Bottom of page 1 in Gaming is 3 hours old. Bottom of page 1 in Politics is 2 and half days old. It's a subset of the community and what do you think happens when the other big gaming sites make conservatives feel unwelcome. They post all their stuff here. And even then the political compass survey showed a clear left lean. Maybe it's time for another poll.
I expect a lot of people don't go in there. I rarely do. For all I care the politics forum could be three people talking about Trump cosplays.
Bottom of page 1 in Gaming is 3 hours old. Bottom of page 1 in Politics is 2 and half days old. It's a subset of the community and what do you think happens when the other big gaming sites make conservatives feel unwelcome. They post all their stuff here. And even then the political compass survey showed a clear left lean. Maybe it's time for another poll.
I expect a lot of people don't go in there. I rarely do. For all I care the politics forum could be three people talking about Trump cosplays.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I don't know why so many of these ignorant types are trying desperately to push that GAF is a political site. We are a gaming site. We talk about games. No fucking shit you see the same handful of people talk about politics in the politics board which doesn't have a tenth as much activity as gaming because that is not why people are here.
Schrödinger's cat
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It's interesting, isn't it?
In the same way that people with a reputation for dishonesty and disingenuous engagement attach themselves and try to subvert or control a conversation elsewhere, the very same people are trying it here.
Either these people genuinely believe their type of engagement and rhetoric is beyond being challenged, or they believe they're some Machiavellian-level masters of cunning and subterfuge and nobody can see these efforts for what they are.
When in doubt, express 'concern', use the term 'echo chamber' and blow some smoke.
Leave it a week. Then come back and repeat.
In the same way that people with a reputation for dishonesty and disingenuous engagement attach themselves and try to subvert or control a conversation elsewhere, the very same people are trying it here.
Either these people genuinely believe their type of engagement and rhetoric is beyond being challenged, or they believe they're some Machiavellian-level masters of cunning and subterfuge and nobody can see these efforts for what they are.
When in doubt, express 'concern', use the term 'echo chamber' and blow some smoke.
Leave it a week. Then come back and repeat.
Papa
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I dunno man, I came here 10 years ago for the games but these days I’m all about the honks and lols
Papa
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No, it’s the children who are right wing.
brap
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