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Imma let you finish, but Captain America has the greatest rogue's gallery of ALL TIME

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Calm your tits, Batman fans. I know crazy quilt and cluemaster are the bees knees, but Cap's gallery needs some more recognition.

Cap has been around longer than just about any other marvel hero save Namor, making his first appearance in 1941. He's headlined not only his own book for most of that time, but also has been a near permanent fixture of the Avengers since that book launched in the 1960s. Inexplicably though Cap has long been considered one of the weaker heroes in marvel's roster until Avengers and Winter Soldier finally gave him the respect he deserves.

One of the things that makes cap interesting though is that Cap doesn't waste his time fighting crime. That's right, you heard me. Unlike Spider-Man, Captain America doesn't care that your purse got stolen, or that bank just got robbed. He's Captain Goddamned America 24 hours a day and he's too busy for that shit. Dial a hero with a dayjob if you want to stop cat burglars, Captain America is for putting down terrorist networks and global threats. His villains therefore, tend to reflect this.

But where to start? Let's talk about:

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Arnim Zola! Movie fans may remember him from Captain America: The First Avenger.
as well as a massive surprise appearance in winter soldier
Zola was a swiss biochemist during world war II, working for the Red Skull. That's (obviously) not his original body, Zola developed a process that let him transfer his mind into any number of artificial brains. Whenever a body is destroyed, Zola usually just escapes to another one elsewhere, making him very, very difficult to kill.

Zola has no real superpowers, (outside of that box where his head should be, that can be used for limited mental attacks) his true threat is his genius. Zola is notable for raising an entire mutant army in dimension Z with the intent of overrunning earth, and also for turning Captain America into a damn werewolf that one time.


Diabolical!

Nazi Scientists with a penchant for cloning and mind control not your thing? there's also:



Baron (Helmut) Zemo! This swank motherfucker may be the most stylish villain of all time. There are actually TWO Zemos, the first being killed by cap way back in early issues of Avengers, but usually when you hear "Baron Zemo" they're talking about number 2.

His accomplishments? Nearly too numerous to list here, though Zemo is notable for forming several of the incarnations of the Masters of Evil- Think of them as B and C list villains assembled into a sort of anti-avengers. There's been a few, but one of his more successful incarnations invaded Avengers mansion, crippled the butler, burned all of cap's WW2 memorabilia just to be assholes, and got hercules too drunk to fight then beat him into a coma so bad that even Zeus said "Damn."

Zemo returned to the Masters of Evil concept later on when the Avengers disappeared for a time, masquerading as heroes and calling themselves the Thunderbolts, led by Zemo himself under the name "Citizen V".


This concept worked a little TOO well, as many of the former Masters of Evil found that playing hero was a lot more fun than getting their faces punched in and thrown into jail.

Zemo typically has no powers, and is simply an excellent marksman, strategist and leader. Like most top tier villains he's a genius, though not a super scientist i.e. Zola, Doom, Richards, etc.

Zemo isn't the only rogue with a title, They'll apparently hand out a Barony to just about anyone, which leads us to:


Baron Wolfgang Strucker. I had to search a bit for a decent photo, because his typical outfit is just terrible.


He should speak to whoever does Zemo's designs.

Strucker was originally a Nick Fury villain, serving as an officer under Hitler. His standout moments though were as leader of HYDRA and persistent nemesis of Captain America. Those of you that watched winter soldier know that hydra's infiltration of SHIELD and the US Government was a big plot point, that's a plan that Strucker originally came up with- heavily infiltrating all layers of SHIELD with HYDRA sleeper agents and controlling it from behind the scenes for years.


Strucker has a habit of genetic experimentation, including his own children Andrea and And Andreas who operate collectively as the superpowered criminal group "Fenris." Those of you with sharp eyes may have noticed strucker making a cameo at the end of winter soldier
as his experiments with loki's staff result in the creation of quicksilver and scarlet witch
.

Like zemo, Strucker has no powers, only a brilliant mind and a seemingly endless supply of money for hydra tech and bases. Strucker makes use of an age retarding formula to avoid looking as old as he actually is.

Switching gears a bit from nazi scientists to mercenaries, we have Taskmaster:



A personal favorite, this guy has fought captain america loads of times but has managed to be a thorn in just about everyone's side at least once.

Taskmaster is a world renowned mercenary with the unusual ability to perfectly mimic any ability he's ever seen. This means Tasky has the combat abilities of everyone alive in the marvel universe right now, including Black Panther, Spider Man, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Elektra, Shang Chi, Wolverine, Black Knight, Punisher, Bullseye, etc etc. Any style he doesn't know can be learned and countered on the fly in a matter of seconds.

Taskmaster augments his abilities by carrying around perfect replicas to complement those styles, such as cap's shield, hawkeye's trick arrows, a sword of some kind, and a vast array of handguns, darts, bombs, poisons, etc.

As such he's extremely difficult if not impossible to defeat in hand to hand combat without plot devices or superpowers, and taskmaster and his mercenary network are used extensively by everyone who can afford him, heroes and villains alike.

just for fun, because I love this one:



Outside of his photographic reflexes and extensive arsenal, Taskmaster has no superhuman abilities, though he can execute combat maneuvers at twice their natural speed for brief periods of time, and has been known to perfectly mimic the voices of others.

As good as taskmaster is, he's not the most notorious mercenary killer in Cap's Rogues gallery, that nod would probably have to go to:



The Scourge of the Underworld!

Once upon a time, Marvel found itself with too many D-list supervillains. TOO MANY! Have you ever heard of such a thing! To correct this, brilliant writer/editor Mark Gruenwald came up with the Scourge of the Underworld to do a little housecleaning- (the below is liberally and shamelessly copied from wikipedia)

The Scourge is originally depicted as an individual vigilante dedicated to the assassination of criminals. This person, whose true name has never been revealed, is seen over the course of several months murdering known supervillains. The Scourge approaches a supervillain in disguise, shoots him or her with an explosive-tipped bullet, shouts his catchphrase ("Justice is served!"), and disappears. Scourge apparently killed Enforcer,Miracle Man, Hate Monger III, Melter,Titania I, Basilisk, The Human Fly, Death Adder and Blue Streak this way.

The fact that there was a supervillain serial killer running around in an era when no one killed ANYBODY so unnerved the supervillain population that they all got together and held a meeting to decide what to do about it. This particular meeting would forever live in infamy as scourge took it upon himself to show up disguised as the bartender, and the "bar with no name" massacre was born.

18 goddamn supervillains bit the dust that day, as Scourge wiped out Jaguar, Mirage, Hellrazor, Shellshock, Bird-Man, Cyclone, The Ringer, Turner D. Century, The Grappler, The Cheetah, The Vamp, Commander Kraken, Letha, Steeplejack, Mind Wave, Rapier, Firebrand, and Hijacker.

Captain America captures the Scourge the very next issue, and unmasks him, where scourge confesses to his killings and reveals his identity. Immediately after making this confession, the Scourge is himself shot and killed by an unseen assailant, who is heard to cry "Justice is served!" in the fashion of the Scourge's other killings.

Since then the Scourge identity has been used by a network of supervillain serial killers, almost all of which eventually are killed by someone else masquerading as "scourge". It's "scourges" all the way down...Up to this point there's been a serious lack of supervillains with PhD's in this list. Let me correct that omission:


Dr. Faustus is essentially an evil sigmund freud. This "master of men's minds" isn't a telepath, just a damn good manipulator. But don't let the dapper threads fool you, Faustus is built like a truck and has the body of a UFC Champ:


So what makes this guy noteworthy? Faustus is responsible for two HUGE arcs in Cap's personal storyline.

1.) After Rogers disappeared at the end of WW2, a second captain america and bucky took up the mantle of Captain America. unfortunately, the serum they used for this guy was unstable. Cap 2 (William Burnside) began to suffer mental breakdown, becomes paranoid and psychotic, and was eventually placed in suspended animation. On being revived in the modern era and placed into the custody of Faustus for "Treatment", Burnside is instead brainwashed and turned into the Grand Director

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essentially "white supremacist captain america" with a wolverine hat, which is just as awesome as it sounds. When confronted by the original Captain America who he idolizes, Burnside has another breakdown, is horrified at what he's become and (presumably) suicides, burning himself alive.

2.) Faustus is also the one responsible for the mental manipulation of Sharon Carter. Under his control Carter (With assistance from crossbones) assassinates Steve Rogers while escorting him to the courtroom in the aftermath of Civil War. This makes Dr. Faustus the only person to successfully kill steve rogers, albeit indirectly. Faustus eventually falls from the good graces of the red skull and turns to the government, offering information and testimony in the winter soldier trial in exchange for a pardon- but not before manipulating the trial attorney into attacking the judge just to show how badass his mind control abilities are.

From badass we go to bad...literally the worst of the worst. You might think it's red skull, but no, it's-


HATE MONGER. Why this guy? Because...


SURPRISE HITLER! Yes, Hate Monger is actually, literally Adolf Hitler- with mind control superpowers. What, you want to know who Hitler is? Read a history book you filthy animals.

Since I mentioned the Red Skull, now is as good a time as any to throw him in:


Ah, Red Skull. where to begin with him? Generally considered Captain America's nemesis, but is one of those breakout villains that's so awful he's ended up menacing everyone at LEAST once.

Originally a top officer of Hate Mong..er...Hitler in WW2, Red Skull was responsible for cutting a swath of death and destruction across europe in the 40s with the Nazi Army, as well as organizations it later "inspired" such as HYDRA, AIM, and ULTIMATUM.

Unlike your typical villain, Red Skull isn't crazy (Carnage, Joker), or a megalomaniac with a messiah complex (Doom, Magneto) He's just straight evil. He's hated and despised by even other supervillains- even Joker doesn't want anything to do with him:


We've seen a few times what kind of world Red Skull would create if given unlimited power, and the result isn't pretty. Skull's ideal world seems to be guided by an overwhelming philosophy of "fuck humanity."



While the above was accomplished with the power of a cosmic cube, Skull normally has no abilities beyond his own skill and cunning- though given an opportunity to seize power he rarely hesitates, having cloned the body of captain america for his own use, and most recently digging up the body of charles xavier and stealing his brain- Turning Red Skull into the world's most powerful telepath:


This last bit of business eventually led into Red Skull becoming "Red Onslaught" and the recently concluded AXIS event- but the less said about that event, the better sadly.


This is actually longer than i planned but I'm leaving out quite a few interesting villains-

M.O.D.O.K.


Crossbones


Batroc


and Viper


At least deserve a mention. With any luck, we'll be seeing some of these smiling faces in a future film, maybe even Captain America 3 or Avengers 2!*

*No, that wasn't Viper in "The Wolverine." Just...er..a clever impostor. Nothing to see here, move along, citizen...
 

Drayco21

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I still think that Spider-Man's rogues gallery is the best, and that Batman just has the most overrated, but Cap's rogues are phenomenal.

Baron Zemo and Batroc are the sickest shit, and need to be in more things.
 
Batman and Spider-Man are easily the top two. I don't even think I'd put Cap in the top 5 tbh.

All kidding aside, those two are better, but there's some fun to be had in rogue's galleries that don't include "batman" or "spiderman."

Curious who you'd put at 3 and 4 above Cap though.

I still think that Spider-Man's rogues gallery is the best, and that Batman just has the most overrated, but Cap's rogues are phenomenal.

Baron Zemo and Batroc are the sickest shit, and need to be in more things.

Definitely this, There's so much to write about Zemo I feel bad abbreviating it as much as I did
 

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Yikes, Cap's villains are rough, even worse than Batman. He's got one good one: Red Skull.

X-men's rogue gallery is where it's at. If it wasn't for Chris Evans, I wouldn't pay ANY attention to Cap at all
 

Rhaknar

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Captain America doesnt even have the best rogues on Marvel let alone on comics

Captain America doesn't even have the best rogue gallery in Marvel.

damn it
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Taskmaster isnt even a villain, well...more of a anti-hero, Deadpool type isnt he?
 
Taskmaster is underrated.

They're all underrated! hence the thread.

Except for maybe hate monger, who's only really in there because the concept is hilarious

Taskmaster isnt even a villain, well...more of a anti-hero, Deadpool type isnt he?

Taskmaster spent the vast majority of his history firmly in the villain category, though he's been "anti-hero" more often lately. As the OP notes he's a mercenary and will work for whoever pays him.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Yikes, Cap's villains are rough, even worse than Batman. He's got one good one: Red Skull.

X-men's rogue gallery is where it's at. If it wasn't for Chris Evans, I wouldn't pay ANY attention to Cap at all

...uuhh, do you not see zemo, crossbones, and tasky on that list? cap has a stacked line up of villains

Taskmaster isnt even a villain, well...more of a anti-hero, Deadpool type isnt he?

no. he leans very heavily towards villainy compared to deadpool
 
Fantastic Four

Doom, Galactus, The Kree, The Skrulls, The Inhumans (some of them), Annihilus, Namor, etc.

Half of Captain Americas rogues are washed up Nazis. The Fantastic Fours rogues are entire intergalactic space empires.
 

Drayco21

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Taskmaster isnt even a villain, well...more of a anti-hero, Deadpool type isnt he?

Taskmaster has almost always been used as a villain. Deadpool at least wants to be a good person, and genuinely tries to be a hero- Taskmaster is just a piece of shit.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Taskmaster has almost always been used as a villain. Deadpool at least wants to be a good person, and genuinely tries to be a hero- Taskmaster is just a piece of shit.

fuck you Drayco, youre a piece of shit...no wait. your boy Kaine is a piece of shit. Tasky is cool :(
 
Fantastic Four

Doom, Galactus, The Kree, The Skrulls, The Inhumans (some of them), Annihilus, Namor, etc.

Half of Captain Americas rogues are washed up Nazis. The Fantastic Fours rogues are entire intergalactic space empires.

The Kree and Skrulls aren't a "rogue" so much as they're a race. Individual Kree and Skrulls aren't really super noteworthy, outside of the super skrull.

The inhumans aren't villains, and are rarely written as antagonists.

Namor is an anti hero.

Annihilus was really only great in Annihilation, which had no Fantastic Four in it.

Doom is a GOAT tier villain though.
 

Drayco21

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fuck you Drayco, youre a piece of shit...no wait. your boy Kaine is a piece of shit. Tasky is cool :(

I mean...he used to tear people's faces off and kill people cuz fuck you Spider-Man I want to be a real boy, so you're not wrong.

I just mean he's a real shitty person- I love when Taskmaster shows up in stuff, he's a fun character.

The Flash?

Best DC rouge's gallery, no contest.
 
Feel like Red Skull should make a return to MCU already (probably the only villain I've legitimately thought was interesting besides Loki) and taskmaster should be present in some form.

Besides Batman's rogue gallery, I like John's work on expanding GL's universe. Red Lantern Corp and Yellow Lantern corp made me more interested in GL than anything before. Flash's gallery is great as well. WW and Supes are lacking at times. Black Adam is probably the most interesting villain for me, and I really want to see John & Franks take on Sivana and Mr. Mind in the future.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
X-Men have by far the best rogue gallery anyway

Apocalypse
Magneto
Mr.Sinister
Cyclops
Sabretooth
Mystique
Onslaught
Mojo
Brood (well thats a race)
Hellfire Club (original not the kids)
Juggernaut
Dark Phoenix
Shadow King
Cassandra Nova

I could go on
 

DeathyBoy

Banned
The Flash wins.

Gorilla Grodd is a telepathic gorilla. Professor Zoom is a time-travelling asshole who fucks up Barry Allen's life in reverse. And The Rogues (Captain Cold, Trickster, Weather Wizard, Golden Glider, Captain Boomerang, Heatwave, The Top, Weather Wizard) are flat-out bad-asses who all prove worthy adversaries for The Flash.

The Rogues alone are an A-List rogues gallery. And Flash also faces a time-travelling magician regularly. Utter. Boss.

Shit, his Rogues gallery is so awesome that The Rogues got tie-in mini series to Final Crisis, AND Forever Evil. They're so epic that they feature in their own stories independent of The Flash. In the last few years alone they've fought zombies, New Gods AND faced off against superpowered villains from another universe SIMPLY because those characters dared threaten Central City, their hometown.

Also... Heatwave managed to melt a Black Lantern ring WITH A HEAT GUN. Something that it took multiple Emotional Spectrum team-ups to do. '"Everything has a melting point."
 
Cap's rogue's gallery has 100% more actual hitler than any other rogue's gallery, guaranteed.



one of these things is not like the others

Cap is no different from any other hero. A couple of good foils and the rest are mostly forgettable. Besides comics have moved on from the villain of the week/month motif.
 
The Kree and Skrulls aren't a "rogue" so much as they're a race. Individual Kree and Skrulls aren't really super noteworthy, outside of the super skrull.

The inhumans aren't villains, and are rarely written as antagonists.

Namor is an anti hero.

Annihilus was really only great in Annihilation, which had no Fantastic Four in it.

Doom is a GOAT tier villain though.

I'd argue that they are rogues. They're significant antagonists in the Marvel universe and they started in the Fantastic Four. You're also forgetting Ronan, who I almost named individually.

Not recently, but they definitely have been in the past. Medusa was in the frightful four and Maximus has always walked the line.

Namor too was a straight up antagonist in enough of the early FF stories to count. Just because for example Magneto is with the X-Men now doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered part of the X-Men rogues gallery. I think he's still part of the X-Men, even if he's not you get my point.

I think there are plenty of great Annihilus stories that happened in the pages of FF, but to each his own :). It's also a testament to how great the FFs rogues gallery is that almost all of their top tier villains have been co-opted and basically just become Marvel Universe Villains.
 
All kidding aside, those two are better, but there's some fun to be had in rogue's galleries that don't include "batman" or "superman."

Curious who you'd put at 3 and 4 above Cap though.
I guess my list would look something like this.

1. Spider-Man
2. Batman
3. X-Men
4. Superman
5. Fantastic Four

I could make a case for Cap at #4 or #5 but Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom/Galactus push them ahead, for me.
 
The Flash wins.

Gorilla Grodd is a telepathic gorilla. Professor Zoom is a time-travelling asshole who fucks up Barry Allen's life in reverse. And The Rogues (Captain Cold, Trickster, Weather Wizard, Golden Glider, Captain Boomerang, Heatwave, The Top, Weather Wizard) are flat-out bad-asses who all prove worthy adversaries for The Flash.

The Rogues alone are an A-List rogues gallery. And Flash also faces a time-travelling magician regularly. Utter. Boss.

Shit, his Rogues gallery is so awesome that The Rogues got tie-in mini series to Final Crisis, AND Forever Evil. They're so epic that they feature in their own stories independent of The Flash. In the last few years alone they've fought zombies, New Gods AND faced off against superpowered villains from another universe SIMPLY because those characters dared threaten Central City, their hometown.

Also... Heatwave managed to melt a Black Lantern ring WITH A HEAT GUN. Something that it took multiple Emotional Spectrum team-ups to do. '"Everything has a melting point."

Flash has some great rogues...but still, Cap by a hair.

If we're talking "featuring in their own stories" as a qualifier, Zemo, Taskmaster, Red Skull definitely beat them out there. Zemo and Taskmaster regularly star in their own series, and Skull has entire events revolve around him on a regular basis.

I guess my list would look something like this.

1. Spider-Man
2. Batman
3. X-Men
4. Superman
5. Fantastic Four

I could make a case for Cap at #4 or #5 but Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom/Galactus push them ahead, for me.

Hmm...The Xmen are a tough one for me. I find their villains really aren't that great outside of Magneto, and he's been in the "anti-hero" camp forever at this point.

For instance:

Apocalypse- has been terrible for a loooooooong time. I don't think I've enjoyed the character since the original run of X-factor.
Magneto- see above
Mr.Sinister- some merit here. I'll allow it.
Cyclops- come on now lol.
Sabretooth- never really liked the character. He tends to be inexplicably written as a threat to people that should waste him immediately. This happens to wolverine constantly.
Mystique- not a "Great" villain, but not terrible
Onslaught- has always been awful. the original onslaught concept was terrible, and red onslaught is even worse
Mojo- joke tier
Brood (well thats a race)- yes it is
Hellfire Club (original not the kids)- Strange pick, they're bored aristocrats in slutty clothing. Rarely do much that warrants any notice.
Juggernaut- hasn't been good since the 80s. He's been powered down and turned into an antihero a dozen times by now.
Dark Phoenix- gone since the 80s. You could say the "phoenix 5" counts, but that's not really an argument in your favor.
Shadow King- Obscure, not really compelling
Cassandra Nova- See the above.
 
X-Men have by far the best rogue gallery anyway

Apocalypse
Magneto
Mr.Sinister
Cyclops
Sabretooth
Mystique
Onslaught
Mojo
Brood (well thats a race)
Hellfire Club (original not the kids)
Juggernaut
Dark Phoenix
Shadow King
Cassandra Nova

I could go on
X-Men is like an entire team of loads of different mutants over the years. Cap is one guy.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
X-Men have by far the best rogue gallery anyway

Apocalypse
Magneto
Mr.Sinister
Cyclops
Sabretooth
Mystique
Onslaught
Mojo
Brood (well thats a race)
Hellfire Club (original not the kids)
Juggernaut
Dark Phoenix
Shadow King
Cassandra Nova

I could go on

that list needs to be trimmed because there is a lot of garbage up there. mojo? onslaught? lame ass apocalypse? naw son
 

DeathyBoy

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Flash has some great rogues...but still, Cap by a hair.

If we're talking "featuring in their own stories" as a qualifier, Zemo, Taskmaster, Red Skull definitely beat them out there. Zemo and Taskmaster regularly star in their own series, and Skull has entire events revolve around him on a regular basis.

It's less a qualifier and more 'you can tell a Rogues story without The Flash involved.' They're great villains and great villain protagonists, whereas Red Skull can't be related to. I'll give you Taskmaster, even if I think Marvel really bungles him on a regular basis.
 
Because he's not really about dealing with D listers every week? He's more about solving big world threatening problems.

Ah, but so does Cap. I was thinking about putting some villains that were more "Avengers" threats than Cap Specific threats, but decided that would be pushing it.
 
It's less a qualifier and more 'you can tell a Rogues story without The Flash involved.' They're great villains and great villain protagonists, whereas Red Skull can't be related to. I'll give you Taskmaster, even if I think Marvel really bungles him on a regular basis.

Oh i see what you're getting at. Yeah, Red Skull is not the kind of villain that will ever end up in "sympathetic protagonist" territory (AXIS aside). He's a genocidal monster and that's the way he's going to stay. nothing really wrong with that.

Zemo has definitely been in this boat though- read through Thunderbolts and Civil war, there's a lot to him.
 
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