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[sendit]

What are some recent first-person shooters that you've played that have non-garbage gameplay and non-generic visuals?

What are you trying to prove with that question? You're likely going to use any game I respond with as some 'gotcha' as to why you think a horrible game like 'Immortals of Aveum' is some breath of fresh air.

Metascore: 69
Userscore: 5.9

Immortals of Aveum

Immortals of Aveum is a groundbreaking new single-player, first-person magic shooter, created by Ascendant Studios and released by EA Originals, that delivers a visceral, cinematic campaign. Made by the creators of Call of Duty and Dead Space, Immortals of Aveum is set in an original fantasy...

www.metacritic.com

Immortals of Aveum is universally accepted as below average.

 

[SirKicksalot]

As opposed to what examples of recent FPS games?

I haven't played any and it's competing with all FPS games.

 

[Cashon]

What are you trying to prove with that question? You're likely going to use any game I respond with as some 'gotcha' as to why you think a horrible game like 'Immortals of Aveum' is some breath of fresh air.

Metascore: 69
Userscore: 5.9

Immortals of Aveum

Immortals of Aveum is a groundbreaking new single-player, first-person magic shooter, created by Ascendant Studios and released by EA Originals, that delivers a visceral, cinematic campaign. Made by the creators of Call of Duty and Dead Space, Immortals of Aveum is set in an original fantasy...

www.metacritic.com

Immortals of Aveum is universally accepted as below average.

You're being what psychologists would call defensive. Perhaps you should look into why?

 

[sendit]

You're being what psychologists would call defensive. Perhaps you should look into why?

Who is defending this below average again? "Perhaps you should look in to why?"

 

[systemr123]

Is it going to become a trend for EA games to blame others for their failures?

It’s not just EA it’s evrybody and every one nowadays who does it. Covid really messed humanity up because people stayed at home and did their own “research” on anything, which basically is just to search for their biased opinion and then take it as fact.

Because of this everyone thinks they’re right and entitled all the time on every subject, so anything that thinks different than their own is at fault. See for example Disney coping in a horrible way as well with The Marvels etc.

Healthy self criticism is dead within most companies and people now as well. I hope humanity can repair itself over time but things are beyond messed up at the moment.

 

[Freeman76]

No mate, your game is generic doggy doo doo, nothing else

 

[Spukc]

Never heard of this game

 

[Freeman76]

Ya know, video game man, your game would have sold even with the busy release calendar if it was good. But sure, blame everyone except yourselves.

100%

BG3 did alright in that 'busy' release window because it did something different

 

[ProtoByte]

This thread is so funny.

Constantly on this forum people will lament the lack of original games or how EA only makes monetized sequels... Even calling this game's style "generic." Meanwhile this is a s full, original IP, single-player game that is one of the more unique looking games I've ever seen.

I'm not saying it's the best game of the year or anything like that, but how many of you saying this game looks generic bought and played Diablo IV?

Ding ding ding.
Gamers spend and critique like it's 2023, but will talk like it's 2005.

 

[ManaByte]

The game is great and when it comes to GP/PS+ people will be shocked they passed on a next-gen Metroid Prime.

 

[Success]

Too many novice takes in this thread.

People who are well versed in gaming know that the Aveum director is correct.

2023 was too much of a stacked year.

If this game came out in 2020 then it would have actually been remembered as one of those janky but lovable games like Deadly Premonition 1.

 

[Esppiral]

Your game was bad, get over it.

No, it isn't.

How many of people in this thread calling it mediocre have played it? I am pretty sure most haven't....

 

[Mr Reasonable]

If a good game, one not even in the same genre, crushes your game, your game was probably not as good as it is supposed to be.

Eh, Titanfall 2 is pretty highly regarded but was steamrollered by COD and Battlefield. I know you said different genres, but I do think the guy has a point - if you look at the release schedule and you think you can soak up a lot of the available press attention and appeal to gamers looking for a new game, you're likely to do better. Obviously, in Titanfall 2's case their own publisher set them up for a fall by putting their own FPS out at the same time.

 

[Skifi28]

No, it isn't.

How many of people in this thread calling it mediocre have played it? I am pretty sure most haven't....

I don't agree with this sort of reasoning. I also haven't played Gollum or Kong, but I can tell you for sure they're terrible. If you've been playing games for decades, it's not that hard to judge from gameplay footage and reviews what's good or not. Otherwise we'd just blindly buy every single new game release.

 

[Guilty_AI]

"How would you know if you didn't play it!!!1!!1"
"He's right!!!11! Its all the fault of that busy schedule!!!!!111111"

Well, lets see what people who did play it have to say about the game:

Graphics are good, combat can be fun. Story and characters are not good. Way to much effort was put into making a mediocre story, when the story should have been much tighter and the bare minimum to move the action along like most arena shooters. What really ruined it for me is even if you hate the story and characters but like the combat, you can't skip the damn cut scenes. Not going to slog through those just to get to the ok arena shooter part

Crap game good luck playing it anyways with awful fps and crashes

Seriously, this game would have been FINE as a linear FPS introducing its magic weapons concept, that was pretty interesting and cool. I would have tolerated its childish characters who drop f-bombs and maybe the boss fights too if it had stuck with that. Look at RoboCop: Rogue City, SIMPLE! And it's amazing for it.

I had to double-check to see if this game was, in fact, rated M for mature. Ascendant, if you develop games to be played by a mature audience in the future, write like it. The beginning of the game is tonally dissonant, chock-full of "witty" dialogue that sounds like it belongs in phase-four of the MCU and, frankly, boring. To best express how boring the opening of this game felt to play, imagine playing the introduction of Skryim, but you aren't ever allowed to run past Ralof or Hadvar. At least Skyrim doesn't assault you with terribly written dialogue. I thought about grinding through it and "giving it the old college try", but I just couldn't. I didn't want to risk not getting my refund for the game, and Lord knows that there are better games I can get on Steam with the ~$30 I spent on this.

The story and dialogue feels like a cringe Disney movie. The world looks expansive at first, but if you try to explore you hit a lot of invisible walls or death barriers. There's no reason to explore anything, chests don't give you anything you need. Maxing out magic skills is a grind and you'll be finished with the game before you even max one out. THERE'S NO NEW GAME+ MODE???????

Gameplay and combat is fun, but the world feels bland and mostly empty. Worth it for $20 on sale, but don't pay anything near $60.

Going by these. Combat can be fun but doesn't really stand out in any way. Story is not just terrible but also forced onto you, getting in the way of the decent parts of the game. Then add technical issues into the fray.

In a world filled with amazing boomer shooters of all varieties, with excellent pacing, visuals and level design, i don't see how a game like this would stand out. Visuals aren't even that good considering the hardware requirements.

Now lets look at another sample:

New IP, indie, made by one dude with no advertising budget, released 4 days after Tears of the kingdom (since games in completely different genres count apparently). Game did just fine, overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam - 6x more reviews than Aveum got, implying much higher sales. Sure game is cheaper, but when you consider ROI its clearly a much more successful case.

 

[winjer]

Too many novice takes in this thread.

People who are well versed in gaming know that the Aveum director is correct.

2023 was too much of a stacked year.

If this game came out in 2020 then it would have actually been remembered as one of those janky but lovable games like Deadly Premonition 1.

It would take a particularly shit year, for Immortals of Aveum to stand out, in a positive way.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I’ve seen this game so many times before. It’s generic. Having a gun hand that shoots “magic” isn’t enough to cover it.

Ah yes. So many games using that bracelet design, magic as weapons, the enemies designs, architecture designs, armour designs:



Wow, so generic, much call of duty looking.

 

[winjer]

Ah yes. So many games using that bracelet design, magic as weapons, the enemies designs, architecture designs, armour designs:



Wow, so generic, much call of duty looking.

Sorry, but this looks like rejects drawings from Magic the Gathering.
If you consider the fantasy genre, instead of CoD, you would realize the design in this game is mostly generic and lame.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Sorry, but this looks like rejects drawings from Magic the Gathering.
If you consider the fantasy genre, instead of CoD, you would realize the design in this game is mostly generic and lame.

And Souls games looks like gothic fantasy. Generic too.

 

[Guilty_AI]

And Souls games looks like gothic fantasy. Generic too.

Souls games are good tho.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Souls games are good tho.

Very good retarded handicapped combat simulators.

 

[winjer]

And Souls games looks like gothic fantasy. Generic too.

Souls games have a lot more creativity in the gothic genre, than Immortals, ion the fantasy genre.
Besides, From Software, knows how to make good games. Something that immortals is far from being.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Souls games have a lot more creativity in the gothic genre

All rejects designs from gothic fantasy.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Very good retarded handicapped combat simulators.

Seems someone got his ass handed to him in Sekiro

 

[rodrigolfp]

Seems someone got his ass handed to him in Sekiro

Sekiro is not Souls even less Gothic fantasy.

 

[winjer]

Very good retarded handicapped combat simulators.

There is not one single metric where Immortals of Aveum beats From Software's most recent game:
Elden ring is one of the highest ranked games on Steam, with a player count much higher now, than what Immortals ever got.

 

[rodrigolfp]

There is not one single metric where Immortals of Aveum beats From Software's most recent game:
Elden ring is one of the highest ranked games on Steam, with a player count much higher now, than what Immortals ever got.

There is one I can think easily. Efficient manual magic aiming.

Why should I care for others scores? Should I give 10/10 for RDR2 insane input lagged controls too?

 

[Kupfer]

Ah yes. So many games using that bracelet design, magic as weapons, the enemies designs, architecture designs, armour designs:



Wow, so generic, much call of duty looking.

You said it, generic.
Here are pictures of 6 different games, and yet it could be the same game because the artstyle is generic af.

And these are just the games I remember now, I'm sure there are more examples.

Can you tell me which one is which?

 

[rodrigolfp]

You said it, generic.
Here are pictures of 6 different games, and yet it could be the same game because the artstyle is generic af.

And these are just the games I remember now, I'm sure there are more examples.

Can you tell me which one is which?

So all of this games are generic. Got it.

What is non generic for you?

 

[winjer]

There is one I can think easily. Efficient manual magic aiming.

Why should I care for others scores? Should I give 10/10 for RDR2 insane input lagged controls too?

That is a stretch. Even in the FPS genre, the combat in Immortals is just average. And that is the best part of the game. The rest is mediocre.
There are hundreds of better FPS in the market.

 

[rodrigolfp]

There are hundreds of better FPS in the market.

Like non generic Call of Duty. /s

 

[winjer]

Like non generic Call of Duty. /s

Dude, you are comparing to CoD, the definition of generic shooter.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Dude, you are comparing to CoD, the definition of generic shooter.

And have better scores and insanely better sales than this game. So what is your point in posting scores?

 

[winjer]

And have better scores and insanely better sales than this game. So what is your point in posting scores?

If you think I'm going to defend CoD, you are very mistaken. It's as bad as Immortals of Aveum, if not worse.

 

[Hudo]

Sorry, but this looks like rejects drawings from Magic the Gathering.

Fuck, man. I don't know why I find this so funny but I almost spilled my (fucking overpriced) cappuccino.

 

[rodrigolfp]

if not worse.

So scores mean nothing.

 

[Kupfer]

So all of this games are generic. Got it.

What is non generic for you?

You started this with :

[...] magic as weapons, the enemies designs, architecture designs, armour designs [...] Wow, so generic [...]

I merely gave you examples to show that it is true and, as I said, the artstyle is currently very used up, as many modern games are currently using it.
The game has little recognition value in terms of content, and even less visually, as evidenced by the examples. it's nothing special and doesn't do anything outstandingly well.

Games with recognition value and an outstanding art style in relation to the aspects you mentioned are, for example

Quake I / II / III / IV
Half Life 1 / 2
Far Cry / Crysis
Gravity Rush I / II
Doom 3
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. / CS / CoP
Super Mario 64 / Sunshine / Galaxy
Zelda BotW / TotK
RDR2
Tearaway
God of War I / II / III
GTA IV
Journey
Killzone 2 / 3
TLoU I / II
Even Gears of War stands out more even if there were and are many imitators of this art style.

There are so many examples and opportunities to stand out and not look and feel generic, and yet IoA (the abbreviated name alone is cumbersome to pronounce and doesn't stick to your brain) doesn't manage it and simply makes use of hackneyed high-fantasy trobes

 

[Buggy Loop]

I really don’t think it’s about the graphics, they can look pretty nice, but

1) scored under average in a busy year, who’s got time to bother with this in their schedule?

2) it released with shit performances, a 4090 on PC kneeled and on consoles it looked like pixel soup

3) full price for that? Full price for a shooter and it better be the best goddamn shooter. I didn’t even buy the new Dooms at full price

 

[Spukc]

You said it, generic.
Here are pictures of 6 different games, and yet it could be the same game because the artstyle is generic af.

And these are just the games I remember now, I'm sure there are more examples.

Can you tell me which one is which?

Look like ubisoft games! Haha

 

[rodrigolfp]

You started this with :


I merely gave you examples to show that it is true and, as I said, the artstyle is currently very used up, as many modern games are currently using it.
The game has little recognition value in terms of content, and even less visually, as evidenced by the examples. it's nothing special and doesn't do anything outstandingly well.

Games with recognition value and an outstanding art style in relation to the aspects you mentioned are, for example

Quake I / II / III / IV
Half Life 1 / 2
Far Cry / Crysis
Gravity Rush I / II
Doom 3
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. / CS / CoP
Super Mario 64 / Sunshine / Galaxy
Zelda BotW / TotK
RDR2
Tearaway
God of War I / II / III
GTA IV
Journey
Killzone 2 / 3
TLoU I / II
Even Gears of War stands out more even if there were and are many imitators of this art style.

There are so many examples and opportunities to stand out and not look and feel generic, and yet IoA (the abbreviated name alone is cumbersome to pronounce and doesn't stick to your brain) doesn't manage it and simply makes use of hackneyed high-fantasy trobes

Imagine calling RDR2, GTA, TLOU, Stalker, Crysis, FarCry, HL, pursuing ctrl C ctrl V real work designs non generic. -_-'

-Generic
-lacking imagination or individuality; predictable and unoriginal.

 

[freemandos]

In the last five years we had:
Amid Evil
Northern Journey
Arthurian Legends
Hedon
Lunacid

If an high-budgeted fantasy FPS with, I don't know, a hundred of more budget and marketing can't match any of these indie fantasy FPS games good reception and/or archievement..there's a problem. Because, before the poor sales... it's not like it had won a "cult game" poster.

Robocop: Rogue was released near Spider-man 2 and Alan Wake II. Journalists were hard with the game, but players and youtubers are raving with it and its sales are being good. A mid-budget game.

Sooo...I disagree. There's more than "Baldur's Gate 3 happened".

 

[winjer]

So scores mean nothing.

Like I said. 91% score for Elden ring. And 69% score for Immortals.

 

[Kupfer]

Imagine calling RDR2, GTA, TLOU, Stalker, Crysis, FarCry, HL, pursuing ctrl C ctrl V real work designs non generic. -_-'

Okay. I'm just giving you the examples you asked for and emphasizing my point of view.
You, on the other hand, don't manage to make it clear to me why this game is so important and outstanding to you. You don't manage to arouse my interest so that I might reconsider my notion and become curious about the game after all. Instead, you equate everything that doesn't fit with your aspects with CoD, a game that wasn't mentioned here at all and couldn't be more generic and boring.

That's not how a discussion that should bear fruit or be interesting to me works.

I would be able to clearly recognize each of the games I mentioned. Whether based on the real world or not based on the (level) architecture or the character design.
I can't say that about IoA and many other games.
You're shooting against your own stance with your statements like these

-Generic
-lacking imagination or individuality; predictable and unoriginal.

because all this is true for IoA.

But nevermind, this is going nowhere.
I wish you all the fun in the world with Immortals of Aveum, I mean that seriously.
Everyone should play what they enjoy, but for me and many others that doesn't make the game any better.

 

[Peroroncino]

The game seemed like your usual generic woke mediocrity, but I don't think it deserved to bomb so hard. They should've pushed it to 2024 just to get out of the way, even with no marketing during dry month it'd probably still do better.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

So I just rewatched the trailer to try and remember why it seemed unappealing to me.

Strike 1: it’s EA

Strike 2: stupid name

Strike 3: everything about that trailer just screams 2023 design-by-committee Hollywood trash. Corny dialog, horribly unlikeable characters, ugly blue & orange color scheme, nothing that draws me in or makes me think it’ll be worth my time.


This is the kind of thing where I just file it under the “I’d be pleasantly surprised if it doesn’t suck” category and pay it no mind until I see some reason to believe otherwise.

 

[rodrigolfp]

because all this is true for IoA.

But nevermind, this is going nowhere.
I wish you all the fun in the world with Immortals of Aveum, I mean that seriously.

I will enjoy the non Ctrl C Ctrl V and non generic art/designs of IoA.

Strike 1: it’s EA

Strike 2: stupid nameugly blue & orange color scheme

The mental gymnastics to hate a game.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I will enjoy the non Ctrl C Ctrl V and non generic art/designs of IoA.


The mental gymnastics to hate a game.

I gave the reasons why it made a bad first impression, I didn’t say I hated the game. Damn dude get off your cross.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I gave the reasons why it made a bad first impression, I didn’t say I hated the game. Damn dude get off your cross.

"Trash, horrible, ugly, but I don't hate."

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

"Trash, horrible, ugly, but I don't hate."

Are you actually here to discuss anything? Or are you just selectively quoting stuff to try and discredit naysayers because you’re so butthurt that people didn’t like a game you liked?

 

[rodrigolfp]

Are you actually here to discuss anything? Or are you just selectively quoting stuff to try and discredit naysayers because you’re so butthurt that people didn’t like a game you liked?

How have a sane discussion with one calling the colours ugly?