plasmawave
Banned
Conflicting messages. He thinks it's only for F2P but also says it's going away entirely *shrugs*
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Jeff Grub says Xbox Live Gold and paying to play online is going away soon
- Thread starter Bernkastel
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ManaByte
Rage Bait Youtuber
There's no conflicting messages other than people on the internet not understanding the passage of time and chronology of messages posted online.
First he said free to play games.
THEN
He said it's going away entirely.
The second statement overrides the first.
Knitted Knight
Banned
Ehh... Gamepass is a business model experiment. Whether it will succeed or not we'll know years from now. The bolded however....one of my long time arguments. I agree it should be this way. Xbox console gamers are currently second class citizens in this regard.
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ManaByte
Rage Bait Youtuber
GamePass has more than 10 million subs. It's already succeeded.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
He clarified. Its in the OP, but here it is again.
Half of the stuff in OP is not part of any screenshots meant to provide "context".
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FranXico
Member
People stayed subbed to XLG for more than a decade though...
Knitted Knight
Banned
I can't personally draw that conclusion based on that number alone.
01011001
Banned
People stayed subbed to XLG for more than a decade though...
...yes...because you needed to to play online... that's the whole point of his comment I'm pretty sure.
if you don't have to pay to play online, noone would still have PS+ at this point.
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VAVA Mk2
Member
Would be huge if true. Maybe Game Pass Ultimate would then be $60 a year in place of Gold? I would still do given perks and xCloud and library of games to play.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Thinking a bit more, I doubt they will ditch the pay to play online requirement in some form. Game Pass is not profitable per Greenberg, so they need that revenue from Gold. Maybe they'll merge the two, but I just can't see they dropping that revenue stream when GP can't fill the gap.
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30yearsofhurt
Member
GreatnessRD
Member
Would be nice that they put out the fire they started with this pay to play online bullshit. So if it is true, I commend them for canceling that goofy shit.
Elektro Demon
Banned
I always thought the concept of not being able to play multiplayer without paying for some service besides your ISP retarded.
So good news for console gamers if true.
So good news for console gamers if true.
01011001
Banned
as I said in the other thread about the 12months option vanishing...
they have to get rid of it simply because it is increasingly unfair for Xbox players to pay to play the exact same games that Win10 users can play online for free.
Xbox games on PC use the exact same infrastructure, servers and usually friends list... yet on PC you can play Halo MCC online at no additional cost, while Xbox players have to pay to play online.
again, that's the exact same game, on the exact same infrastructure and you even use the exact same online profile INCLUDING CROSS PROGRESSION and soon cross play.
in games like Gears 5, Forza Horizon 4 or many other titles that not only have cross progression, but also already support full crossplay, it's even more obvious how stupid this is.
as an Xbox user you're currently basically a second class citizen, and as Win10 and Xbox get increasingly closer and closer this will become more and more obvious to consumers as time goes on.
so better to cut that shit now before the new generation comes out and avoid bad press or negative voices from the community
they have to get rid of it simply because it is increasingly unfair for Xbox players to pay to play the exact same games that Win10 users can play online for free.
Xbox games on PC use the exact same infrastructure, servers and usually friends list... yet on PC you can play Halo MCC online at no additional cost, while Xbox players have to pay to play online.
again, that's the exact same game, on the exact same infrastructure and you even use the exact same online profile INCLUDING CROSS PROGRESSION and soon cross play.
in games like Gears 5, Forza Horizon 4 or many other titles that not only have cross progression, but also already support full crossplay, it's even more obvious how stupid this is.
as an Xbox user you're currently basically a second class citizen, and as Win10 and Xbox get increasingly closer and closer this will become more and more obvious to consumers as time goes on.
so better to cut that shit now before the new generation comes out and avoid bad press or negative voices from the community
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Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Interesting, hope they clarify soon. Sounds like it'll be in August if it happens.
TheCrimsnFuckr
Member
I mean, as they shift towards having all their games on PC with full cross play, it makes sense. If you’re playing a multiplat game with friends on different hardware through Xbox live, the only one that needs to pay to play is the guy who already bought an Xbox console. Xbox console gamers are literally being treated like second class citizens
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
That's what PC gaming did and I like that online gaming is going free to play.
theclaw135
Banned
I'm cracking open a cold one to celebrate paying for peer to peer!
Tripolygon
Banned
Am I reading this wrong or does it sound like they are consolidating Gold into Ultimate?
Gold will go away
But In its place
Ultimate will include online play plus gamepass and other benefits.
Or are they making online play free but keeping ultimate for gamepass with other benefits?
Either strategy makes sense to me.
Gold will go away
But In its place
Ultimate will include online play plus gamepass and other benefits.
Or are they making online play free but keeping ultimate for gamepass with other benefits?
Either strategy makes sense to me.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
"They will not force you into Ultimate to play online. "
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If there's 50 million paying Gold members at a wholesale price of $50/person.... MS doesn't get the whole $60 if it's on deal or someone buys it from a store.
That's maybe $2.5 billion of sales they are giving up.
That's maybe $2.5 billion of sales they are giving up.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
They don't have 50 million people paying for gold.
Tripolygon
Banned
That's a bold strategy if I ever saw one.
Demon2blades
Member
Absolutely Great if it happens we shouldn't be paying for online anyway and I can definitely see Sony following suit if it happens it's too big of a plus point for ms or Sony if one has it and one don't .
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
There are 90 million Xbox Live users. Gold is never disclosed, but Brad Sams estimated it to be 10 million.
Not what I mean. Sorry for confusion. Currently GOLD and GAME PASS are separate. Game pass ultimate has both gold and game pass.
Let's say Gold goes away. Great. You still have to pay for Xbox's leading feature. It's not that the cost is going away - they're just transferring it.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
No. You don't. You can buy a game outside of gamepass and play it online for free going by what he said...
Arkam
Member
This would be interesting, assuming true. Will be curious which bits would become legitimately free and which would likely shift to GamePass. I get the need to lower the overall Sub cost to the customer as stacking Internet, Gold, GP just to play games is kinda lame. But damn it seems like easy money that MS would be forfeiting. Least near term. In know sony has been bragging about that built in Sub money, so if MS did this they might be in tough spot. But then again they have the same problem to solve with PS+ and PSNow so maybe they are both moving in the direction of repackaging their Sub model.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Xbox Gold is only at 10 million? That's it?
Ok, lower than I thought.
I remember during the 360 days MS said Gold subbers were at 40 million. Although they never said annual or a monthly $10 thing.
If that's the amount the sales given up is much lower than billions.
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Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
The number Microsoft releases is Xbox live users, not Gold subscribers.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ah. Got mixed up.
I understand that you don't have to pay for game pass. My point is that MS is practically making it a no-brainer to go with game pass. It's not like you're just going to save $8 a month by dropping gold. They're hoping you spend that $8 on game pass instead.
Derktron
Banned
lol
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Um, yeah, no kidding. But this was your original post.
I fail to see how the reasoning you've now come around to has anything to do with it. Especially when you say, "What good is online play if you still have to pay for a sub?"
They aren't forcing you to pay for anything to play online if this happens. That was my entire point. And that indeed, would be huge when people make decisions on which ecosystem to play their online games on... Especially if they now have the option to take that money and invest it in a sub like gamepass which would bring tons of games to their finger tips.
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mckmas8808
Banned
No lied detected
VincentMatts
Member
Evil business try to make money confirmed.
We'll see.
mckmas8808
Banned
Lets hope not! I honestly feel like my $50 a year is being used properly.