StealthGoblin
Banned
If you want access to a consistently large userbase that the platform holder has spent billions cultivating you pay the piper.
People expecting that for free are unhinged.
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JezC:EU may also force console companies to open up their platforms. Microsoft would be there day one. But Sony isn't just going to let them do that.
If you want access to a consistently large userbase that the platform holder has spent billions cultivating you pay the piper.
People expecting that for free are unhinged.
twilo99
Member
It’s about software, which in the console market means games but I wouldn’t mind seeing other utilities like web browsers, etc. being released on there as well.
Guilty_AI
Member
Means they would just become a form factor PC. So i guess you could even if you had to go through some hoops.
twilo99
Member
Microsoft spend millions (or do you think it billions?)building the Windows ecosystem and that is wide open for anyone to release whatever they want and reach their whole install base.
Everyone goes to some really creative mental gymnastics to say how this is somehow different, but fundamentally it really isn’t.
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Kerotan
Member
If Nintendo and Sony said they'd refuse and leave the market if forced people would literally riot.
StealthGoblin
Banned
The PC is defined legally as a a multi-purpose device. Consoles are not.
That's the long and short of it.
Bojji
Member
They won't leave the market, they love money and Europe is one of the wealthiest regions on the planet.
Everyone speculated that apple would leave the market but they are too greedy for that, hahaha.
Same goes for Sony and Nintendo if there is any truth to rumors.
twilo99
Member
Definitions in this particular case are 100% arbitrary… does the ps5 have a built in music player? Can it play a movie from physical media? You get the idea.
So in that case, is it a single-purpose device?
Kerotan
Member
They won't leave the market because the EU will back track. The EU won't want to risk economic damage in these turbulent times.
So they want to turn consoles into what PCs are right now, where anyone can make a store front and sell games. Essentially circumvent the PlayStation store, and not have to give a 30% cut to Sony anymore.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
More third party resellers, options to resell digital content etc.
Who can say no to these kind of options. I'd welcome it.
Who can say no to these kind of options. I'd welcome it.
willothedog
Member
Eh??? PC is open, devs can sell their games wherever they want.
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onnextflix5
Member
It’s not gonna happen, Nintendo and Sony will make the case that they make very little money on hardware and the business would not viable without a locked down hardware.
twilo99
Member
The way it should be, if you really care about “pro consumer”
ErRor88
Member
Jez is wrong... everyone needs to take a step back from the ledge. Microsft said in their Windows Store blog post a few months ago that they don't want consoles treated as General computing devices...
blogs.microsoft.com
Adapting ahead of regulation: a principled approach to app stores - Microsoft On the Issues
Today we’re announcing a new set of Open App Store Principles that will apply to the Microsoft Store on Windows and to the next-generation marketplaces we will build for games, in part to address Microsoft’s growing role and responsibility as we seek regulatory approval for our acquisition of...
blogs.microsoft.com
But you can't make phones like that with business model anymore due to same regulation.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I would love it if consoles have the same kind of open-ness.
midnightAI
Member
May as well make it so they are all the same OS, have the same components and have the same games.
Does that mean I'll be able to buy a Ferrari with a Bugatti engine? You cant? not very pro consumer is it?
Can I buy Nike trainers (sneakers) with an Adidas logo on the side? No? pathetic
They haven't gone far enough with current court cases, Apple, can I buy the latest iPhone with Android on it? well I should be able to, actually, make that Windows 11 instead, its a computer afterall
Does that mean I'll be able to buy a Ferrari with a Bugatti engine? You cant? not very pro consumer is it?
Can I buy Nike trainers (sneakers) with an Adidas logo on the side? No? pathetic
They haven't gone far enough with current court cases, Apple, can I buy the latest iPhone with Android on it? well I should be able to, actually, make that Windows 11 instead, its a computer afterall
Topher
Gold Member
The problem is "open-ness" throws quite the monkey wrench into the business model that consoles are based on. Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo take on all the costs of a console and then anyone can create their own store, bypassing the manufacturer entirely. What's the incentive for those company's to even make the thing? Selling the hardware for profit since your subsidy is gone? Say hello to $1000 consoles.
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Bojji
Member
Multi trillion dollar apple couldn't do anything so what some small video game companies can do?
dotnotbot
Member
We still have no idea how Apple's implementation works
Topher
Gold Member
Phones are sold for profit. Consoles are not.
GHG
Gold Member
But don't you see, if they were available on Nintendo and Playstation systems everyone would be flocking to play the Xbox library, just as they are on PC where they are readily available from day 1.
Not.
Thirty7ven
Banned
But after this you cant. I don't see how someone couldn't adopt console model on pc/phone space.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Insane how just a year ago everyone was against this, but with another year added of grinding through sales threads now we have so many in the Xbox camp wanting the whole industry to be turned upside down no matter the cost just so they can feel happy about the prospects of their favorite brand.
It’s a stupid fucking idea.
Topher
Gold Member
You can't what? Sell consoles/phones at a profit? Why not?
Guilty_AI
Member
Tbf it worked for Steam Deck. You can still have a large portion of the market by making it incredibly easier to just use the manufacturer features. I know people who actively bought on GOG and went back to buying everything on Steam because running their games on the Deck was much simpler.
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Fabieter
Member
Phones have ridiculous profit margins. Consoles would costs like apple pcs to get the same profit margins. Its no comparison.
Negotiator101
Member
Nonsense
How you even write this with a straight face? You're joking right? Did you forget that the UK nearly stopped Microsoft from making a 70 billion acquisition? Every company has to abide to the law of any country it sells in 
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Apple did it, Nintendo and Sony will as well.Nintendo to EU:
we win as consumers though.
TheGodfather07
Member
Jez corden should worry more about how to stop eating cheese burgers everyday.
Fabieter
Member
Nonsense
Ms blackmailed the uk officially. Never forget that bro. If you are big enough no country is bullying you.
Fabieter
Member
Can't wait as a consumer to pay above a grand for ps6 and switch 2/3.
Topher
Gold Member
Doesn't Valve make a profit on the SD hardware though? Either way I don't think we are talking about margins corporations like Microsoft or Sony would ever consider for an open system.
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Sell them like consoles as loss leaders and profit from app store monopoly.
Guilty_AI
Member
Yes but the system isn't absurdly priced either. The 256gb model is something like $100 above the price of a switch.
They could for the same reason as Valve as they would still have a majority market within the system, thus a huge advantage over any third parties.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
God you guys are so full of shit. Here’s an idea, the pro bono Xbox/MS faithful like you and media shills like Jez and Tom Warrior, go on social media and demand Xbox open up their console and allow us to install steam on it, GOG, you name it. And on top of that EA and Ubisoft and every third party can have their own store and bypass Xbox’s payment api.
How awesome is that? I think that’s absolutely something the coalition of the willing that the green army is should push for, and Phil Spencer is that guy so I’m sure since this is a great idea, he won’t mind seeing their revenue and profits absolutely tank, because this is after all a pro consumer move. And of course you guys would absolutely pay 2x the price of the console for that so MS would not doubt give you what you want.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
The thing is you can’t muster a credible argument for why PlayStation is in the same box as Android and IOS.