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[Unknown?]

I hope these people don't have tires on their electric vehicles. Oh... and they better not drive on roads! Dirt only!

 

[Topher]

I hope these people don't have tires on their electric vehicles. Oh... and they better not drive on roads! Dirt only!

They better not play video games either.

 

[Unknown?]

They better not play video games either.

Tbh, if they want to live like they want everyone else, they should become Amish.

 

[Kataploom]

But then how are they getting their paint to throw at people if those are made of oil?

 

[Shifty1897]

1. I'm all about researching viable alternatives to fossil fuels. I realize the current solution is not great for the environment and hopefully we can find a cleaner alternative that is affordable one day.

2. Fuck these people.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Yeah, I'm sure they're ready to join up after that stunt.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Interrupting a gaming tournament seems rather…..random. I have never even heard of this group. I’m assuming they’re problematic?

 

[LordOfChaos]

Did they even say anything about their reformed orthodox rabbi Bill Clinton? Smh

 

[Brigandier]

I hate them even more now....

Where's Paul Phoenix when you need him, Death fist these fucks.

 

[gokurho]

Judging from the replies here, I don't think there's much point in replying, but I'll add one anyway.

Ultimately, the protesters appear to be right. It's a really weird situation we're in, the science is clear, the way that we are currently meeting our energy needs is not compatible with the planet being healthy, and yet there's no appetite for change.

There are a bunch of tired responses that are trotted out, like blaming other countries, claiming that the changes in climate we are seeing is with precedent, that the reason our governments want to foist the idea of climate change upon us is so we can be taxed harder. This is all patently bullshit.

What we should be seeing is the governments of the world paying attention to their own scientific advisors, the experts who dedicate their lives to the study of this stuff who are sounding an alarm and being roundly ignored.

As Just Stop Oil and other organisations like Greenpeace will tell you, they have attempted to speak directly to the source and have done so for decades but all that's happened is that they've been ignored and things have continued to get worse.

I used to worry that generations ahead of mine would suffer as a result of the decisions that have been taken before and during my lifespan, but now I wonder what is going to happen in my lifespan.

There will be many people who have been conditioned to think that there's no problem ahead, mainly because of the short termism of our political systems - there's no point in planning for a decade ahead when the guys who'll be taking over will change course in 4 years time. There's a clip of (former British deputy prime minister) Nick Clegg saying that there was no point in investing in nuclear power because the new power plants wouldn't be coming online until 2021/22. Clegg is nowhere near politics now, but it'd be nice if the UK had cleaner energy systems in place rather than apparently needing to double down on further fossil fuel reserves as it just has done.

What's sad is that though you say the protesters should put their heads together and offer a solution, the truth is that nobody who is in a position to introduce change wants to hear it because of the short term discomfort involved. Even if they were approaching the governments of the world with a perfect solution, it would come with short term costs and would also mean interrupting the oil industry.

The lobbyists for the oil industry are on tape saying that they lied about the impact their industry has on the world and that's essentially been brushed aside and it's business as usual. Meanwhile the press have successfully convinced the public that the people trying to act in your interest are instead fanatical lunatics. The smallest amount of reading of sources that are trustworthy would tell you the situation we are in is not a good one.

I totally agree with your opinion. However, since your icon uses diesel fuel, it should be replaced with a bicycle or rowboat.

 

[STARSBarry]

The fact so many people who didn't watch or care about this are now on a forum getting upset and calling for physical violence is hilarious.

This is literal "cope, seethe, mald", I hope they keep doing it. People's reactions on here have made this funnier than the "Bill Clinton" guy for me, they truly know how to work (up) a crowd.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I totally agree with your opinion. However, since your icon uses diesel fuel, it should be replaced with a bicycle or rowboat.

It's ok it's an electric bus.

 

[Portugeezer]

Please use air fryers instead.

 

[Celcius]

those clowns

 

[Jibran#one]

What I don't understand in this scenario is where was the security ,
Also I swear one day these weirdos will come across some bad people and they will most surely get hurt or die

 

[ResilientBanana]

Hopefully the paint wasn’t oil based.

 

[Three]

You know I'm for the cause but these stunts just make them look like unreasonable people who want to cause damage and make the world grind to a halt. I understand you want attention and coverage but agree something with organisations who are willing to help and stage something viral. Everybody else is doing staged nonsense for tiktok, do the same and stop being a genuine inconvenience to others. Nobody is going to like you like that.

 

[NanaMiku]

Interrupting a gaming tournament seems rather…..random. I have never even heard of this group. I’m assuming they’re problematic?

they have been protesting at many places. Their most famous act are blocking the road

Protester dragged by her hair from the road by angry bystander

A German Just Stop Oil protest group called Letzte Generation, Last Generation, had members dragged from the road in Germany by frustrated motorists.One woma...

www.youtube.com

 

[Arcadialane]

I love how obvious these well funded social psyops are.

 

[Imtjnotu]

 

[Dis]

Just stahp

 

[Crayon]

Whole operation seems sketchy.

Otherwise, sure, terrorise us a bit over the issue. It's deserved, from a certain point of view. I have some doubts over the roots of just stop oil but in general I'm okay with activists/protestors who don't cross the line into personal violence.

I think a lot of people wanting the monitor-painters tarred and feathered were sympathetic to the trucker's protest in Canada. They were blocking some roads, and the media accused them of violence and mayhem. Was their demand reasonable? I thought so. Was it worth a non violent protest that made people late to work and tired of hearing truck horns? Yeah I thought so. That's all up to everyone to decide for themselves.

In case it never crosses your mind, some people end up asking themselves if others being forced to take vaccines or if the environment being destroyed is more important than your drive to work. Or your Tekken tournament.

This situation in particular seems fishy but I'm alright with inconvenient protests. Go ahead and make fun of people who give a shit. If I cared enough about a cause to get off my ass and do something about it, even something crazy, that might count as a self improvement.

 

[OuterLimits]

Fossil fuels are one of the biggest reasons human civilization was able to rapidly advance in the very late 19th through the 20th century.(and amazingly the ability to leave our planet and explore our solar system)

So a big round of applause for fossil fuels!(yes, we should be trying to reduce our reliance on them)

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

It means that they are probably insured and will resume with a bit of a delay... right.. riighhtt?

Who is insured against eco-terrorism?

 

[BouncyFrag]

They should try this at a Pokémon tournament.

 

[Editaur]

I could of sworn some of the people performing these "stunts" have been linked to being related to oil barons.

 

[Lupin3]

Fucking Tekken players! Ruining Earth since 1994.

 

[gaming_again]

tin foil hat presence in this thread is strong

Not at all. Re the museum points: in the UK at least you can’t even get a can of coke into the building. It’s airport-security level. But tins of paint get through? The activist class sit on the boards of these places.

 

[Smokeberry]

Whole operation seems sketchy.

Otherwise, sure, terrorise us a bit over the issue. It's deserved, from a certain point of view. I have some doubts over the roots of just stop oil but in general I'm okay with activists/protestors who don't cross the line into personal violence.

I think a lot of people wanting the monitor-painters tarred and feathered were sympathetic to the trucker's protest in Canada. They were blocking some roads, and the media accused them of violence and mayhem. Was their demand reasonable? I thought so. Was it worth a non violent protest that made people late to work and tired of hearing truck horns? Yeah I thought so. That's all up to everyone to decide for themselves.

In case it never crosses your mind, some people end up asking themselves if others being forced to take vaccines or if the environment being destroyed is more important than your drive to work. Or your Tekken tournament.

This situation in particular seems fishy but I'm alright with inconvenient protests. Go ahead and make fun of people who give a shit. If I cared enough about a cause to get off my ass and do something about it, even something crazy, that might count as a self improvement.

At least one person died in the UK as they were unable to get to the hospital.
At this point their crusade becomes unworthy.

I agree that reliance on oil isn't great but there isn't a realistic alternative quite yet and the world's infostructure is based around fossil fuels. It is changing and will change but loss of life and all the pain that comes with isn't the way to push an agenda.

 

[ozz ex machina]

Not at all. Re the museum points: in the UK at least you can’t even get a can of coke into the building. It’s airport-security level. But tins of paint get through? The activist class sit on the boards of these places.

Dude you can walk into Tate Modern, National portrait gallery etc without paying or going through any kind of security lol. WTF are you on about.

 

[supernova8]

What I don't understand in this scenario is where was the security ,
Also I swear one day these weirdos will come across some bad people and they will most surely get hurt or die

Of course nobody deserves to get hurt or die

 

[Taycan77]

They’ve lost pretty much all their funding and get zero media coverage these days. This stunt was only reported on gaming forums.

Only a matter of time before they disband.

Green energy magnate to switch support from Just Stop Oil to Labour | Environmental activism | The Guardian

Dale Vince says he will concentrate his efforts on getting Tories voted out of government at next election

amp.theguardian.com

 

[supernova8]

They’ve lost pretty much all their funding and get zero media coverage these days. This stunt was only reported on gaming forums.

Only a matter of time before they disband.

Green energy magnate to switch support from Just Stop Oil to Labour | Environmental activism | The Guardian

Dale Vince says he will concentrate his efforts on getting Tories voted out of government at next election

amp.theguardian.com

Exactly they only do it for the attention. Give them zero attention and then they will think twice about doing it because getting punched in the mouth isn't quite as worthwhile when you don't get your 5 seconds of fame on Sky News lol

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Paid actors! Funny how no one in these groups have bothered trying to risk their life trying to saboteur a oil refinery or pump?

 

[Jibran#one]

Let's start by not making threads about them , yes they fucked up the tournament but ignore these fuckers for a few more time and they will become irrelevant

 

[BbMajor7th]

I mean, ecological breakdown is probably more important than eSports, so... hard to be too angry about this. In any case, groups like this only exist because world governments have been ignoring the issue for decades.

I really don't hate them; I just think of them as Avalanche IRL.

Edit: I realized I now need Tifa in a 'Just Stop Mako' T-shirt.

 

[gaming_again]

Dude you can walk into Tate Modern, National portrait gallery etc without paying or going through any kind of security lol. WTF are you on about.

Ten years ago you could, yeah and the Tate Modern is still open, I agree. But the last time I went into the British Museum I had security go mental because I had a penknife in my bag. The last time I went into the NPG we had to wait for ages for the bag check.

 

[NEbeast]

? Why can they just walk on stage. Bodycheck them and have them atleast get a few weeks in the hospital for it. Together with a nice fine for disrupting the tournament.

We need more Chads like this camera man.

 

[Madserb2023]

I heard that India was about to rapidly industrialise and quadruple their CO2 output but have changed their minds being avid Tekken lovers.

 

[VitoNotVito]

Typical responses from the brainless "gamers". Just give them tits and video games.

 

[mdkirby]

so when do we start taking the fight to the oil? What do you kill oil with? Fire? Lets just burn it all, that'll stop it! that darn pesky evil oil!

 

[BbMajor7th]

Exactly they only do it for the attention.

Well, nobody marches through a town waving a giant placard hoping to go unnoticed. The whole point is to raise attention and make people aware of your cause. They're just ordinary folks, scared by the way that things are going. They have most of the media establishment against them, as well as the state - but they're standing up for something they believe in and are willing to face the consequences. I can respect that. People like this are almost always vilified in their own time, but history tends to look very favourably on them, and often with very good reason.

Narcissistic death cult...

...whose concerns are shared by 99% of the scientific death-cult community.

 

[kyussman]

Narcissistic death cult.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Just Stop Oil is primarily funded by the "wayward" heiress of an oil tycoon. It's a psy-op designed to act as hypocritical, and rage-inducing as possible so people will associate them with all environmentalist groups.

Not a bad grift, to be honest, and I'm sure some of the peons that actually get arrested for their stunts are true believers.

 

[Hudo]

Narcissistic death cult.

That's a pretty good name for a band, ngl.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

But I don't wanna cook with butter!

 

[Mephisto40]

Interrupting a gaming tournament seems rather…..random. I have never even heard of this group. I’m assuming they’re problematic?

You could say they are problematic yes

 

[Braag]

This has opened my eyes, time to stop oil. I'll cook all my food from now on without oil, this has brought awareness about my unhealthy way of preparing my meals. Thank you.

 

[Taycan77]

Well, nobody marches through a town waving a giant placard hoping to go unnoticed. The whole point is to raise attention and make people aware of your cause. They're just ordinary folks, scared by the way that things are going. They have most of the media establishment against them, as well as the state - but they're standing up for something they believe in and are willing to face the consequences. I can respect that. People like this are almost always vilified in their own time, but history tends to look very favourably on them, and often with very good reason.


...whose concerns are shared by 99% of the scientific death-cult community.

History never looks favourably upon groups who deliberately mislead to further their cause as reality catches up with the rhetoric. They aren’t trying to better inform the public about climate change - and more importantly - how they can help.

Many of their claims are scientifically baseless. The death cult label (although I don’t think they take themselves that seriously) is apt as they don’t believe earth will be habitable in a decade. They want an immediate end to the use of oil, which in turn would collapse the world economy, and lead to death and starvation.

Governments worldwide are all too happy to jump on the climate change bandwagon as most ‘solutions’ involve greater tax revenues. Rather than looking towards politicians and protest groups, we should be taking greater notice of industry & tech developments.

In a decades time the world isn’t going to be inhospitable. Living standards and life expectancy will continue to improve. New technology will make everyone’s lives (ok, most!) better. It would be far more helpful if protest groups worked to reduce inequality in the developed world and beyond.

I also take issue with claims this group consists of ‘ordinary folk’. It’s a very upper-middle class organisation, many of whom don’t have to worry about the cost of living crises. Many prominent members have been exposed for their hypocrisy, globe trotting to exotic holiday destinations, multiple homes, use of SUV’s etc.

But that’s what always happens when you engage in activities during your Uni gap year or have spent your entire adult life protesting against any and all causes.

Climate activists protest against cooking oil

youtube.com

 

[BbMajor7th]

History never looks favourably upon groups who deliberately mislead to further their cause as reality catches up with the rhetoric. They aren’t trying to better inform the public about climate change - and more importantly - how they can help.

Many of their claims are scientifically baseless. The death cult label (although I don’t think they take themselves that seriously) is apt as they don’t believe earth will be habitable in a decade. They want an immediate end to the use of oil, which in turn would collapse the world economy, and lead to death and starvation.

Governments worldwide are all too happy to jump on the climate change bandwagon as most ‘solutions’ involve greater tax revenues. Rather than looking towards politicians and protest groups, we should be taking greater notice of industry & tech developments.

In a decades time the world isn’t going to be inhospitable. Living standards and life expectancy will continue to improve. New technology will make everyone’s lives (ok, most!) better. It would be far more helpful if protest groups worked to reduce inequality in the developed world and beyond.

I also take issue with claims this group consists of ‘ordinary folk’. It’s a very upper-middle class organisation, many of whom don’t have to worry about the cost of living crises. Many prominent members have been exposed for their hypocrisy, globe trotting to exotic holiday destinations, multiple homes, use of SUV’s etc.

But that’s what always happens when you engage in activities during your Uni gap year or have spent your entire adult life protesting against any and all causes.

Climate activists protest against cooking oil

youtube.com

I'm actually in reasonably broad agreement here - not on all finer points, but appreciate you responding in a full and thoughtful manner. You're right, that science doesn't support the notion of an inhospitable planet within a decade, but it does suggest that we could be in a very difficult (potentially insurmountable) situation by the end of the century without severe changes. This will be a lived reality for those being born today - our own children - so it's worth treating it with the level of urgency that JSO is pushing for.

An immediate end to the use of oil does have massive implications for the world economy (particularly pensions and mortgages), but that economy already causes death and starvation through commodity speculation. Anybody who's struggled to pay an energy bill in the past year hasn't done so not because oil and gas have become scarce, but because speculation has driven up the market price astronomically. It has done this in the past with grain prices, causing famine in countries where food is plentiful, but the cost is prohibitive.

Fully agree - we should be looking to tech solutions and tackling the problem proactively, not regressively - but, the major friction here comes in affecting the necessary divestment from the fossil economy. Until we uncouple the global economy from the oil market (which can literally make or break the petrostates that produce it) addressing the ecological issues is much more difficult. This is why the JSO key message is so crucial - fossil hydrocarbons aren't just a problem for the environment, they're a problem for the economy too. Former Bank of England Governer Mark Carney actually warned market leaders about the need to insulate the financial services against climate change back in 2015, for this exact reason.

Living standards have actually fallen over the last decade in a lot of developed economies, but that has less to do with tech and more with late-stage capitalism. I don't know how we solve it, but I do agree that the middle-classes over-index in almost all areas of activism these days. I don't care for it, but I do think that where JSO are concerned, there is at least a factual consensus about the impact and causes of climate change (some other areas of middle-class activism, that I shan't name, can't claim even that much).