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[StreetsofBeige]

I've personally never understood studios going this route at all. I can certainly understand wanting to "get things right" when working on projects that contain different ethnicities and cultures. It's certainly important. But, doing such a thing shouldn't be this absolutely insane and costly process. But, it is the standard for large studios. They just look for more things to throw money at. Definitely makes things feel more unnatural or forced IMO.

I will always appreciate when all things come from a natural and honest place. Rather than something that feels pander-y or forced. It just really hinders whatever product it touches in the end IMO.

Money.

If they can make a game that sparks interest among the entire spectrum (for some studios it's the racial/gender demographic metric), it's like hitting a home run because one game can cover it all.

 

[Jigsaah]

They spoke to 45 people...and they think they nailed it.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Nice to know Insomniac will hire me as a consultant if I buy a dress and say I'm an expert. Good to have back up plans

I'll hire you too, but not as a consultant if you know what I mean...

 

[Aenima]

I never understood why women are supposedly so offended by good looking characters.

They are not. Most female youtubers hate how ugly western devs make they female characters. This comes from diversity studies from ppl that got bullied all they life and think this is needed becase for them a pretty woman = sexual object.

 

[angrod14]

I can't understand why do they keep pushing for this wokeness; I don't think it brings them more profits. Woke audience is a minority.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Starfield is pretty close.

OK, this I gotta hear. Enlighten me, please

 

[Mr Moose]

But a woman would need to train a whole fucking lot to reach Abby's physique. She won't get there with a couple of push-ups a day. She would need to train a lot and eat a lot and very well, things that aren't exactly easy to achieve in a post-apocalyptic world like this.

What are you even arguing? That it's believable in the world they live in? It fucking isn't.

 

[kiphalfton]

As an "minority" i find this shit so fucking weird. What's wrong with you guys in America with all of this bullshit

Probably in an attempt to try and not offend marginalized groups? Hard to say.

 

[gaming_again]

Money.

If they can make a game that sparks interest among the entire spectrum (for some studios it's the racial/gender demographic metric), it's like hitting a home run because one game can cover it all.

It isn't money. Look at how Disney just keeps doubling down despite losing money hand over fist. It's about being a good person, doing the right thing, and sending the right message. And having your social group pat you on the back.

'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' is ancient wisdom.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Funny thing is Sony/Insomniac are hiring diversity experts to flesh out their game among the masses. In which the leaked slides even say you should have more diverse people to contribute to making that minority character.

What they can do is just hire more diverse people. Problem solved. Yet, I bet Insomniac is almost all white people.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I watched like 6 min of it and turned it off.

There's one hilarious part where they very bluntly and proudly state they arent making this for white people. I just had to face palm on that one.

These people are racist fucking lunatics

They can eat shit if they think they're getting anymore of my 'white' money

Fuck these guys

I would suggest others do the same, but so many love this shite.

 

[Jigsaah]

These people are racist fucking lunatics

They can eat shit if they think they're getting anymore of my 'white' money

Fuck these guys

I would suggest others do the same, but so many love this shite.

They are attempting to be inclusive...why do you think this is racist?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's picked out because it's relevant to the thread? At least in Uncharted, you have Nathan Drake without an ounce of military training mowing down hundreds of highly trained mercenaries. That Nadine Ross beats his ass isn't any crazier than the absolutely insane feats he performs. But in TLOU where they strive to make things realistic, they hit us with bullshit like that.

Point is, Naughty Dog isn't any less "woke" than Insomniac. Whether it's a problem or not or bothers you is a whole other story.

Nate's mowing down mercenaries and Ellie and Joel are wiping out thug occupied settlements like it's dominos

I think we need to stop the obsession with holding them to this realistic standard when they're always taking massive liberties regardless of what they say

 

[shamoomoo]

Abby's muscles didn't help in her sex scene. She still got dominated and then plowed up her ass.

Obviously she's a power bottom,she was in control the whole time.

 

[Woggleman]

Most women are not offended by attractive video games characters. It is a small group of women taking it upon themselves to speak for everybody of their gender.

 

[Ulysses 31]

On a burrito diet, suuuuuuure...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I love how they lump black people in with the gays.

I'm sure they love that.

LOL.

When it comes to groups feeling oppressed, banding up gives strength in numbers. No different than the LBTQ+ community always being portrayed as one cohesive group, yet there can be infighting among the acronyms.

If minority groups are separated they lose power if treated as silos.

 

[MagnesD3]

Western Culture is cringe

 

[WitchHunter]

If something fucks up the fake it till you make it society, this is it. This is the wmd, just watch it unfold.

 

[HoodWinked]

 

[Nickolaidas]

They are attempting to be inclusive...why do you think this is racist?

Because they hate white people. That's racism.

 

[Jigsaah]

Because they hate white people. That's racism.

You think Insomniac hates white people....

Seriously?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Most women are not offended by attractive video games characters. It is a small group of women taking it upon themselves to speak for everybody of their gender.

And a small group of men speaking for women. Ironic.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

They are attempting to be inclusive...why do you think this is racist?

I was brought up on being colour blind, it was great until a few years ago, yet here we are, race race race, victim victim victim.

Before these indoctrination sessions companies are now forced to partake in and force down creative peoples throats was there never a black, Asian or gay guy that liked Star Wars/Videogames/Films?

Now let me ask you a question.

Do you consider today's society better because of all this, or worse?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Most women are not offended by attractive video games characters. It is a small group of women taking it upon themselves to speak for everybody of their gender.

Totally.

If women in general hated women being portrayed as too sexy in media, the Barbie movie would had bombed, every female in the world would hate Margot Robbie, and ticket sales would be all kids and guys. And all women's clothing, shoes and jewelry stores would go broke because every ad you see from them shows good looking women wearing their stuff.

But in reality that's never true.

 

[OccamsLightsaber]

Wait till you learn 99% of studios have similar trainings

 

[Woggleman]

And a small group of men speaking for women. Ironic.

Exactly. A bit off topic but a few years ago I was in a room with my wife a few of her friends and a guy who is soft of a male feminist. I made a comment that I hit the trifecta with her because she is hot, she is very intelligent and she is a genuinely good person. The male feminist gets all offended and accuses me of objectifying her but every woman in the room took my side and thought it was great that I thought so highly of her.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Exactly. A bit off topic but a few years ago I was in a room with my wife a few of her friends and a guy who is soft of a male feminist. I made a comment that I hit the trifecta with her because she is hot, she is very intelligent and she is a genuinely good person. The male feminist gets all offended and accuses me of objectifying her but every woman in the room took my side and thought it was great that I thought so highly of her.

"Male feminists" are predators.

 

[Deerock71]

I work for AT & T, and let me assure you the mind virus has infected all large multinational conglomerates.

 

[Dorfdad]

I can't understand why do they keep pushing for this wokeness; I don't think it brings them more profits. Woke audience is a minority.

I honestly believe all of this stems from lawsuits. These companies know that they can be sued for these kinda things now and they are trying to get ahead of the situation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You think Insomniac hates white people....

Seriously?

"We are not making a game for black people."

Interesting how feelings would change with one swap of a color, innit?

 

[shamoomoo]

interesting. Thanks for the info

I've should've provided more backstory as the pregnancy was the only thing that stood out. From 2:35 onward. Ghost is crazy.

 

[Gaiff]

Wait till you learn 99% of studios have similar trainings

Probably most companies in general in the west.

 

[Nickolaidas]

You think Insomniac hates white people....

Seriously?

Not just Insomniac. All woke fucks.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

They are attempting to be inclusive...why do you think this is racist?

Difficult to support these inclusivity movements when it's always to the detriment of other groups

The Latinx nonsense, trans radicals trying to wipe out women spaces, normalising antisemitism so we don't offend everything Muslims believe in etc

 

[angrod14]

Lol, not a word on this being talked on REEEE. No wonder that's the place where these sudios go now to post.

 

[KyoZz]

When I read this stuff

I can't help but think that these people have a real problem (and Tomb Raider Underworld is a better game than anything Insomniac did in the last 10 years)

 

[Represent.]

I agree with them when it comes to Miles. He should have an NYC accent, he doesn't sound like a black New Yorker at all. No NY slang, nothing. It would feel much more engaging if he spoke the part.

 

[kyussman]

So glad I've not spent a penny on gaming this gen.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Lol, not a word on this being talked on REEEE. No wonder that's the place where this sudios go now to post.

They're even anti-Semites over there too. I wonder if Druckmann felt this way after seeing all his colleagues cheer on Hamas and "free Palestine" "from sea to sea,"

 

[paparazzo]

This virus is a big reason I still haven't gotten a current-gen console. Not interested in rewarding myopic, self-righteous companies.

 

[Jigsaah]

I was brought up on being colour blind, it was great until a few years ago, yet here we are, race race race, victim victim victim.

Before these indoctrination sessions companies are now forced to partake in and force down creative peoples throats was there never a black, Asian or gay guy that liked Star Wars/Videogames/Films?

Now let me ask you a question.

Do you consider today's society better because of all this, or worse?

I consider the fact that for a century, there was very little representation for minorities. When there was some representation it was often negative or derogatory in some way. So I can appreciate the effort, though it's not perfect and sometimes it's implemented poorly, but I can appreciate the effort in SOME cases. I do not think that inclusivity should ostracize any race. It should not mean avoiding fanfare to white people. I think that's where a lot of these companies get it wrong. You can't exclude white folks and still be inclusive. It's almost like they are compensating for times before when that's not necessary.

I don't think it's ever cut and dry. There's always gonna be that one example people can lean on to "prove" their case.

For me, as a black man, I feel society is better than those days. But I'm viewing it from a different perspective. I was raised differently, had different life experiences than what I would imagine you've had.

 

[Nickolaidas]

This virus is a big reason I still haven't gotten a current-gen console. Not interested in rewarding myopic, self-righteous companies.

I was considering buying a fucking playstation but I think I'll keep waiting for Demon's Souls Remake on PC now.

 

[SJRB]

When I read this stuff

I can't help but think that these people have a real problem (and Tomb Raider Underworld is a better game than anything Insomniac did in the last 10 years)

 

[Hudo]

Forced inclusivity is usually racist and/or discriminatory as fuck

 

[Jigsaah]

Difficult to support these inclusivity movements when it's always to the detriment of other groups

The Latinx nonsense, trans radicals trying to wipe out women spaces, normalising antisemitism so we don't offend everything Muslims believe in etc

Yea it's done poorly. I think the LBGTQ+ community is also compensating heavily. The goal with inclusivity is to be seen as part of society, not be a blinding light to it.

 

[angrod14]

Welcome to the Gayborhood.

 

[Insane Metal]

Só that's where the $300M+ went

 

[Nickolaidas]

Never forget what they took from you.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Most women are not offended by attractive video games characters. It is a small group of women taking it upon themselves to speak for everybody of their gender.

Going back to this. When MMOs were the big rage from 2000-2010 timeframe, we had a lot of female gamers in the guild, naturally. So when an MMO was messing up badly after years of investment, and we would make the decision to try out a new one or beta one, one of the major requirements for the women in the guild were MMOs "where they can make beautiful female characters." They did not want to be ugly duff women.

I chuckle at that looking back all these years later.