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[ACESHIGH]

I just saw that infamous gameplay deep dive of Kill the Justice League. I had 0 expectations but somehow, I am still disappointed. The Batman Arkham games are among the greatest games ever, basically made it possible for superhero games to be legit, brought many innovations to the table and are well regarded by reviewers and critics. In particular, these games also got me into Batman lore and comicbooks.

I can't believe that on 2023 we are getting basically a carbon copy of Marvel's Avengers but with a Great Value cast of characters from DC. At least I was playing top tier heroes with Avengers (except the arab girl)

I think this also highlights how these overly long development cycles impact games in a negative way: Avengers was an absolute failure, but maybe Rocksteady was already deep into production back then and could not retool this into a proper, campaign based, single player game. This means that from 2016 through 2024/ including GaaS post launch support all these guys had to show was this mediocre game. While on a smaller timeframe (2009 - 2015) they put together 3 extraordinary Arkham games (and a 4th one that was by WB Montreal but the foundations were there)

Not sure about you guys but I am extremely disappointed after today's showing, just felt like venting out

 

[Camreezie]

I just saw that infamous gameplay deep dive of Kill the Justice League. I had 0 expectations but somehow, I am still disappointed. The Batman Arkham games are among the greatest games ever, basically made it possible for superhero games to be legit, brought many innovations to the table and are well regarded by reviewers and critics. In particular, these games also got me into Batman lore and comicbooks.

I can't believe that on 2023 we are getting basically a carbon copy of Marvel's Avengers but with a Great Value cast of characters from DC. At least I was playing top tier heroes with Avengers (except the arab girl)

I think this also highlights how these overly long development cycles impact games in a negative way: Avengers was an absolute failure, but maybe Rocksteady was already deep into production back then and could not retool this into a proper, campaign based, single player game. This means that from 2016 through 2024/ including GaaS post launch support all these guys had to show was this mediocre game. While on a smaller timeframe (2009 - 2015) they put together 3 extraordinary Arkham games (and a 4th one that was by WB Montreal but the foundations were there)

Not sure about you guys but I am extremely disappointed after today's showing, just felt like venting out

The warning signs that they were on the decline were there in Knight, theyve been onnthe downslide since then.

 

[Dane]

That's Western Game Development School of Tought for you, managament is the biggest fuck up, people here tend to blame on the lower levels that have zero power on it and do their work, its the upper ones who keep changing everything and putting all the work into the trash.

Cyberpunk for example, of the 8 years of development, only roughly 3.5 years were for the final iteration, imagine that all the pre production they did during the Witcher 3 days should have gave enough time to be perfected and sent into full production with barely any changes, a smooth sail, but nope, lets scrap 90% of what we did but we gotta still keep the deadline or close to it, good luck, basically a death march. Not even getting into detail what was changed and cut during the final vision development.

Meanwhile in Japan you can have a triple A made from scratch in less than five years + iterative sequels every two years.

 

[Luipadre]

Countless delays, no gameplay reveals until now... i mean the writing was on the wall. This game was probably in dev hell and was rebooted several times.

 

[Flabagast]

This studio is just a shadow of its former self.

No surprise the founders have decided to leave it. It's become worthless trash.

 

[SCB3]

Didn't they cancel a Superman game late in development? I wonder if they used the Metropolis from that in this game?

 

[Tg89]

eh, batman games are pretty overrated imo.

but yeah this looks like a new level of trash.

not sure what's to be expected though, it's a suicide squad game, one of the worst franchises in movies most worthless sub genre. super hero shit sucks through and through.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I think it looks good. I must be crazy.

Give me some great traversal, a fun campaign in co op with my buds and loot.

As long as its not a destiny 2 kind of game then I think it will be great, more like diablo. 4 player co op. Full campaign game.

 

[kyliethicc]

The Batman Arkham games are among the greatest games ever,

nah

 

[Nautilus]

Yep....

Yep

 

[Punished Miku]

Let this sink in. Arkham Asylum was great. Then they just copied that with worse open world level design and that's all they've ever done.

You guys need to get better at spotting this stuff in advance.

 

[EruditeHobo]

Arkham Asylum is a very good game... think the rest are really overrated.

But yeah, this doesn't look that good to me. Still it's probably fun to go through with 3 friends, which I am still tempted to try, but with DIablo 4 like 2 weeks later we probably won't even bother.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Yeah, they fell off horribly. Arkham Asylum and Arkham City are the best superhero games ever. It’s all been downhill since then.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Well said OP

Look at Arkham Knight, impressive for its time , great use of Unreal Engine.

This looks no better , I’d argue it looks like Crackdown meets Gotham Knights.

I’d be amazed if this has varied and exciting mission variety.

You can tell why they haven’t shown much of it until now.

 

[Evolved1]

Pretty sad. Some shitty co-op gaas bullshit... everyone shoots guns.

Lol. Yikes.

 

[Katajx]

My hope is that the boss fights are good since you would be fighting the justice league. Fighting Batman might be cool, but I did that pretty recently in GK.

I think from a technical standpoint it looks pretty good and fun, but they are unproven in this type of game. In this style with these villains I’m worried it’s gonna be more like Gotham City Impostors. Anyone remember that game?

 

[Draugoth]

It's more of a Warner Bros. fault, they wanted to make this to capitalize on the live service genre

 

[Varteras]

Like an increasing number of big studios these days, Rocksteady is a shadow of what they were. And it's only going to get worse before it gets any better. The talent drought in the industry is very real. There are just not enough talented developers and managers to staff the number of big studios that are out there. You're seeing a lot of smaller independent studios pop up. I think just Blizzard and Bioware combined have seen 10 or 15 studios started by their former staff in the last few years.

 

[arkhamguy123]

Think of the scarecrow scene in Arkham Asylum where they show you Batmans origins without a cutscene and you flash to young bruce and the music swells as you hunch over your dead parents and then the camera zooms out to reveal a bat signal spotlight on the famous crime alley landmark.

Now think of what you just saw in SSKTJL. And never forget that casuals and corporatism are the death and dilution of all art that they touch.

 

[shiru]

I still think it's incredible they shipped a game like AC just two years after AA. Nowadays it would take half a decade or more between releases. And the game still ends up being mediocre or disappointing. Even inferior to past games.

 

[Topher]

I must be crazy.

You've taken a big step today

 

[remember_spinal]

Hopefully we can all finally admit Arkham Knight sucked

 

[VN1X]

Oh wow, so jealous you got to play this from start to finish already! Did they send you an early Clown-code or something? Very cool.

 

[01011001]

Hopefully we can all finally admit Arkham Knight sucked

it didn't tho

 

[01011001]

nah

someone who likes knack can't be taken seriously

 

[TexMex]

I don’t think the game looks bad, I just think it could have been made by anyone. So when you follow up some of the best games ever made with this, yeah, it’s a bummer.

 

[Ribi]

Super hero movies coming out every week and sheep going out to watch em. Now the videogame space is being infested. Game looks ok with a good dev behind the project so I expect it to be better than avengers but I can't in good conscience support any super hero marvel/DC shit. Fuck em

 

[Sentenza]

The Arkham games were genuinely good action adventures.

Your moms are overrated.

 

[{insert code here}]

Agile and Scrum were a mistake. I hope they die in a fire. Iykyk.

 

[FoxMcChief]

There’s really no other way to spin this.

 

[cortadew]

Agreed, looks like a glorified Fortnite.

 

[Rush2112]

Arkham knight looking better by the day.

 

[ByWatterson]

Yep. Trend-chasing vending machine. Shit.

 

[Fake]

Well, they will learn one way or another as everyone.

 

[simpatico]

I wonder how many people from the Arkham Asylum team are even still left. Gameplay did look bland. Like they're 7 years too late on that concept. I don't understand how this happens with publishers. How can you let a dev cycle drag for that long? Hell the long awaited gameplay demo had FPS drops throughout. At least have the decency to give it fake prerendered 60fps. Show me that you're trying.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Going to wait to see how the game actually turns out before joining in the hyperventilating circle jerk.

 

[Banjo64]

Studios are only as good as their current talent.

It’s why companies like Rare and Rocksteady peak and collapse.

Makes you cherish publishers like Nintendo and Sony who have cultivated decades of success for their studios despite the normal staff upheaval.

 

[Little Chicken]

I was pretty shocked at how badly it came across. Didn't help that it looks like Crackdown 3.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Shame to see the team behind one of the best game series of all time reduced to fortnite battlepass garbage. Im sure some of the devs there were extremely unhappy and didnt want to make this and I feel bad for them.

 

[gamerEMdoc]

Well the good thing is, when this bombs mightily they'll go back to making actual Batman games if they survive this mess.

 

[Rockman33]

I’d love to see a remaster of the first 3 Arkham games.

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

For all the shit I give arkham knight. I'm about to re-download it, and savior that shit like a double cheese burger with bacon in the summer. it's that bad...

 

[TheUndeadGamer]

We don’t know how long this game has been worked on. We know they were working on others that got canned and it would seem that WB finally allowed Rocksteady to finish this one.
I don’t blame Rocksteady for this, at least not entire. I’m sure the higher ups at WB had a heavy hand in this (chasing trends).

 

[March Climber]

I’d love to see a remaster of the first 3 Arkham games.

Arkham Origins will forever be lost to the 360 and PS3.

Edit: For the people who keep pausing to quote this, please keep scrolling first.

 

[VN1X]

Also, if Gaf Gold would allow me to just hide all of the "opinion" tagged threads in Gaming I'd be a subscriber for life.

 

[ACESHIGH]

Arkham Origins will forever be lost to the 360 and PS3.

Not true, you can still play it maxed on a cheap PC.

 

[kyussman]

Don't WB have massive debts.....if I worked at Rockstar I'd be sweating right now.

 

[Nvzman]

My bad my bad!

Real talk though, just shows you how depressing the game industry is in how everything is so clearly geared around monetization now.

 

[Laptop1991]

Agreed, The money they make off Gta Online has changed Rockstar and most of the gaming industry since, worst thing to happen to gaming in my opinion, when you list the games they released in the decade before, it says everything.

 

[March Climber]

Not true, you can still play it maxed on a cheap PC.

I was mainly talking about the fact that it wasn't in the Arkham Collection on consoles.