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[DukeNukem00]

Reminder that Quake was good because it was made by nerds, not corpos.

Also, not the same idSoftware.

You're completely right, but we haven't had a singleplayer game in almost 20 years. Someone finishing high school right now was not alive when Quake 4 came out. I feel recent Dooms showed that at the very least they're not gonna put out some vile turd, even if it will be changed from how it was in the 90s. I dont see anything bad if they try something new when the series has been dormant for so long

 

[TintoConCasera]

I loved DOOM Eternal for what it was: DMC with guns. I wasn't expecting DOOM 93 with better graphics, and didn't want that either, as I already have enough wads to play classic DOOM until I die.

But honestly, for a Quake reboot I would like something much more similar to the first game. The atmosphere in that game is amazing, matched by a enemy roster out of the worst nightmare and a pretty cool level design. That's all I would want for a reboot.

I wonder how'll they handle the OST. Something similar to NIN's work on the first one? Or will they say fuck it and call Andrew Hulshult to make his magic?

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[StreetsofBeige]

If it has to be one of them, make it Quake. Dont need another Doom already.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Fair enough, but I'm not expecting much of a AAA reboot following modern design trends.

Maze-like level design in 2022? Yeah sadly I can't see that happening either.

For all the hate Eternal got, the only thing I really missed was some actual exploration. At least we still got our Dusks, Amid Evils and Prodeuses.

 

[FUBARx89]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

Well, I hope they do it with the Strogg if they do Quake like.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

Apparently some people didn't like the new mechanics, some people found it too complicated ("why can't I play how I want to play?") and others hated the heavy emphasis on resource management and cool downs.

I personally loved it. No game has managed to increse my heart rate like DOOM Eternal.

 

[TheGreatMusashi]

All I want is different art direction than current Doom

 

[Badlucktroll]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

Well, I hope they do it with the Strogg if they do Quake like.

Those long complicated ass jumping platforming puzzle bullshits really got to me. I didn’t think it was fun.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[CrustyBritches]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

DOOM Eternal is the apex of SP FPS. It was a smashing success, and is a beloved game to millions worldwide.

I was playing through DOOM(2016) on Steam Deck and, frankly, it got kind of boring so I had to switch over to Eternal to get that top grade dopamine and adrenaline hit.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Those long complicated ass jumping platforming puzzle bullshits really got to me. I didn’t think it was fun.

They are not really that long or complicated. They can be tricky at first (and having to redo them can inflate their length), but once you got the hang of it you could get past them fairly quickly.

 

[Romulus]

It could barely even handle a port of Doom. Saturn had a Quake port that was considered a miracle basically. Apparently there was also a PSX Quake port but it never found a publisher.

They did a 32x port recently with original hardware, no upgrades and it was very good. Quake is another story though.

 

[Icymanipulator]

Have never been into Quake, but if it’s anything like Doom 2016 or Doom Eternal, then I’m in. Those 2 games saved the fps genre for me.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Quake was a cultural phenomenon at the time but I'm not sure how I feel about all these constant reboots.

 

[March Climber]

 

[a multicultural team of v]

They did a 32x port recently with original hardware, no upgrades and it was very good. Quake is another story though.

Yeah I heard about that, I think they basically created it from scratch to use every part of the hardware possible right?

Sega hardware is notorious for terrible documentation that results in basically nobody knowing how to get the most of lol

 

[fatmarco]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

Well, I hope they do it with the Strogg if they do Quake like.

I despised the enforced limitations on the combat sandbox.

"You must use this weapon in this context on this specific enemy at this specific time in order to get this specific item otherwise you're essentially screwed" gameplay burned me out. It really meant there wasn't much freedom to combat.

That and the art style was goofy and a huge step back from 2016.

 

[Deerock71]

So...I guess the trap of NOT looking like DOOM reboot would be to encompass four dimensions, then. The time-travel component in VR will be vital.

 

[treemk]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

Well, I hope they do it with the Strogg if they do Quake like.

It wasn't, it was VERY successful financially while having a dedicated base that loves it. Best single player shooter in a long, long time.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Lame if true.

 

[avin]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

I'm curious as to how many of the people that disliked it were playing with a controller rather than m&k.

avin

 

[Deerock71]

I'm curious as to how many of the people that disliked it were playing with a controller rather than m&k.

avin

As an addendum, how many controller players did not play with a bumper jump? That makes a HUGE difference.

 

[Fake]

Why was Doom Eternal disliked so much?

If you love Doom Eternal like some folks here you'll probably never notice any flaws the game have. I enjoy Doom 2016 and dislike Eternal.

If you're really curious, just give this thread a good read.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/doom-eternal-is-the-most-disappointing-game-i-have-ever-played.1590035/

 

[01011001]

As an addendum, how many controller players did not play with a bumper jump? That makes a HUGE difference.

controller players who don't play bumper jumper have no right to an option... I SAID IT! AND I AM RIGHT!

 

[CrustyBritches]

If you play DOOM Eternal with a controller, you need to use one with back buttons like Razer Wolverine Ultimate(6 back buttons) or Steam Deck(4 back buttons).

 

[01011001]

If you play DOOM Eternal with a controller, you need to use one with back buttons like Razer Wolverine Ultimate(6 back buttons) or Steam Deck(4 back buttons).

no you don't. the game doesn't need that many buttons. all you need to do is map jump to LB and you're good

 

[CrustyBritches]

no you don't. the game doesn't need that many buttons. all you need to do is map jump to LB and you're good

It's not adding buttons, it's changing the placement so you no longer use the face buttons and 2 options on the d-pad. Placing jump on LB instead of comfortably on the back of the controller sounds like hell, and what are you using for grenade and ice bomb?

 

[01011001]

It's not adding buttons, it's changing the placement so you no longer use the face buttons and 2 options on the d-pad. Placing jump on LB instead of comfortably on the back of the controller sounds like hell, and what are you using for grenade and ice bomb?

LB for jump is by far the best jump bind. it's easy to reach.

LB = Jump
LT = Secondary Fire
RB = Grenades
RT = Fire

the rest of the buttons don't need precision as the chainsaw is basically auto targeting and the flamethrower has a gigantic cone. and you can map that to B which on an Xbox controller can be easily pressed with your streched out index finger.

the issue is, as soon as you get used to controllers with paddles/back buttons you need them for every console and all with similar layouts.

as someone who plays on all consoles that's simply not a viable option.
so Bumper Jumper is the most consistent layout to use with slight variations depending on game.

also, to me nothing feels worse than back buttons/paddles. I have a Razer and an Xbox Elite 1 and 2, and dislike using them on all of them... I also have a Hori Split Pad, which is even worse due to bad ergonomics on the grips compared to normal controllers.

so LB it is for someone like me who plays shooters on like 3 different consoles, sometimes in the span of a single day.

the only time I ever use back buttons is when a game has absolutely atrocious button layouts with little to no customisation, example Halo 5, where there literally exist ZERO decent layouts and you can't remap freely, so I had to map Melee to a paddle in that

 

[CrustyBritches]

LB for jump is by far the best jump bind. it's easy to reach.

LB = Jump
LT = Secondary Fire
RB = Grenades
RT = Fire

the rest of the buttons don't need precision as the chainsaw is basically auto targeting and the flamethrower has a gigantic cone. and you can map that to B which on an Xbox controller can be easily pressed with your streched out index finger.

the issue is, as soon as you get used to controllers with paddles/back buttons you need them for every console and all with similar layouts.

as someone who plays on all consoles that's simply not a viable option.
so Bumper Jumper is the most consistent layout to use with slight variations depending on game.

also, to me nothing feels worse than back buttons/paddles. I have a Razer and an Xbox Elite 1 and 2, and dislike using them on all of them... I also have a Hori Split Pad, which is even worse due to bad ergonomics on the grips compared to normal controllers.

so LB it is for someone like me who plays shooters on like 3 different consoles, sometimes in the span of a single day.

the only time I ever use back buttons is when a game has absolutely atrocious button layouts with little to no customisation, example Halo 5, where there literally exist ZERO decent layouts and you can't remap freely, so I had to map Melee to a paddle in that

That sounds awful. On Razer Wolverine Ultimate I have jump, dash, and weapon mod switch on the right, from bottom to top. On the left I have chainsaw, flame belch, and grenade type switch, from bottom to top. I don't have to take my thumbs off the right analog stick ever. On the left analog stick I'm only pulling to enable the Crucible.

You can't even explain how you're using the weapon wheel.

 

[PropellerEar]

More helmet dudes...

 

[DGrayson]

Lets leave the Eternal discussion to Eternal threads and keep this one about a possible Quake game please.

 

[Riky]

I was a pretty big Quake IV fan, so I hope a reboot will sort of cross the atmosphere of that game with the original if possible.

 

[01011001]

That sounds awful. On Razer Wolverine Ultimate I have jump, dash, and weapon mod switch on the right, from bottom to top. On the left I have chainsaw, flame belch, and grenade type switch, from bottom to top. I don't have to take my thumbs off the right analog stick ever. On the left analog stick I'm only pulling to enable the Crucible.

You can't even explain how you're using the weapon wheel.

like I said, now play the game on a different console... or a similar game... you now have to either get that overpriced controller for that one too, simply get used to a completely different layout when playing on another system, or get one of those adapters that add input lag.

so sorry, but that's just not an option for someone who plays on every console

if you are fast you don't need to have any of the attack options that require basically ZERO precision available without letting go of the right stick.

the chainsaw literally auto targets to the nearest enemy for example. the flamethrower has a gigantic cone and lasts a second or so during which you can adjust your aim if you need to, and the weapon wheel slows down time meaning you have all the time in the world to use that however you want (best to bind it to the D-pad)

 

[Fart Knight]

Let them bring back the Quake 2 360 port in the meantime

 

[Craig of War]

Im 69% percent sure it get officially announce June 12th

 

[sircaw]

I was a pretty big Quake IV fan, so I hope a reboot will sort of cross the atmosphere of that game with the original if possible.

Trust you to pick the most garbage version of quake.

 

[VN1X]

Any chance we might get an announcement for this soon??

Haven't seen this yet but this is a new vid from Tyler which apparently contains new Quake tidbits.

 

[TastyPastry]

aww man i was hoping for hexen instead, quake feels a little safe. if it will still have singleplayer how are they going to make it different compared to doom eternal?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

In Id I trust. The new Dooms are fantastic.

 

[Kev Kev]

Not interested. I don’t care for these heart racing, adrenaline pumping FPS experiences.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Who the fuck asked for this?

 

[VN1X]

Who the fuck asked for this?

Next time we'll make sure the industry at large consults you before making any sort of creative or publishing decisions.

 

[Sub_Level]

Who the fuck asked for this?

Why would you not want a new Quake? Every game in the series, including Champions, is decent at worst. Its a fun series.

 

[Pedro Motta]

Next time we'll make sure the industry at large consults you before making any sort of creative or publishing decisions.

Why would you not want a new Quake? Every game in the series, including Champions, is decent at worst. Its a fun series.

I’d like to see iD Software have a go at a new IP.

 

[Kev Kev]

Who the fuck asked for this?

It’s been going this way since 2016. Each new thing they’ve released at has been more and more Quake like. I think it’s just comes down to a lot of their team being 80s and 90s kids who grew up with fast paced arena style PC games, like Quake, and they are trying to bring back those days… whether or not anyone is actually asking for it lol.

I’m just glad they are moving on and making Quake. It was so painfully obvious they wanted Eternal to be Quake (which is why a lot of people hated Eternal, for those of you asking).

I’m sure plenty people have asked for it, but I also genuinely believe the team at iD are fans themselves, and they want this game to happen, which is a good thing for Quake fans.

 

[Goalus]

aww man i was hoping for hexen instead, quake feels a little safe. if it will still have singleplayer how are they going to make it different compared to doom eternal?

For Hexen to happen we have to hope that the Activision deal gets approved first.

 

[VN1X]

I’d like to see iD Software have a go at a new IP.

Why? Some of the best work from Machine Games and Id has been Wolfenstein and DOOM recently.

As far as new IP (from the top of my head from that specific studio) Rage 1 was ambitious but disappointing overall. Enjoyable sure but it's definitely not aged well. Rage 2 of course is an entirely different beast made by the Just Cause people for the most part (and I still haven't gotten around to playing it, unfortunately). All of this is to say that Quake might be the vehicle for them to pull another DOOM 2016 or Eternal and I'm all for it.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Who the fuck asked for this?

A fair question. It has been 20 years since Quake was actually relevant. Which is why they are REBOOTING it instead of making it Quake 5.

But I think there is a market for boomer games. Recently played Terminator resistance- another IP that isn't relevant to anyone under 25.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Who the fuck asked for this?

The same people that asked for Wolfenstein and DOOM to get rebooted with remakes.

Quake is id's other huge property that hasn't received this treatment yet, just makes sense.

If they follow the same path that was made there, then I think it'll be great. I just hope the art style is unique and somehow darker and grittier.

I know I mentioned this before, but I'm REALLY wondering what they could and would do to make Quake feel unique. Because with how id approached 2016 and Eternal, the line between DOOM and Quake was blurring pretty hard. I feel like a lot of modern players could play a new Quake and just think "man, this feels a lot like DOOM..."

I adored Quake, especially Quake 2. So if this IS true, I hope it all works out wonderfully.

Just thinking about it, would be neat if they go Wolfenstein -> DOOM -> Quake in terms of reboots & remakes, because then it almost follows the original release pathing.