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Luminous Studios is dead
- Thread starter remember_spinal
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kyliethicc
Member
saw that one coming
can't say i'll miss em
can't say i'll miss em
Johnny Concrete
Member
The engine went also in the trashcan I presume
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
May as well go all in on UE5. FF7R, KH4 and DQ12 all using it.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Well at least they aren’t getting laid off and are just getting integrated into the other parts of Square
That team just wasn’t well managed, but I’m sure there’s plenty of talent
That team just wasn’t well managed, but I’m sure there’s plenty of talent
Mister Wolf
Member
Millions wasted on a bad engine. Most of these developers should just use Unreal.
GHound
Member
The president of Square said as much himself not even a year ago.
TransTrender
Gold Member
They were doomed to fail from the start on this one. Absolutely should have cut their losses after FFXV.
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Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Its crazy how much money and freedom a new start up studio was given within S-E.
Luigi Mario
Member
Huh? I saw certain people were saying that the game was actually doing quite well all things considered... There was even a topic about it here a few weeks back.
In reality though, it sounds like the game was a total sales disaster if Luminous will already be absorbed into Square Enix not even four months after the game's release.
In reality though, it sounds like the game was a total sales disaster if Luminous will already be absorbed into Square Enix not even four months after the game's release.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Game probably needed 6-8M to break even, doubt it will get there
bitbydeath
Member
Square not pulling any punches lately.
Sleepwalker
Member
And nothing of value was lost.
Now take the engine code and delete it
Now take the engine code and delete it
begotten
Member
They weren't really a start-up when you look at the people involved at least early on.
But yeah, even IF Forspoken was decent this studio was never going to get another project greenlit given the reported internal issues.
7 year development, Forspoken changing constantly, key people moving, saying Forspoken is what FF15 combat was going to be basically admitting FF15 was shit.
The engine aside, it was weird to even give this team an identity.
Hobbygaming
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I'm glad to see they can be absorbed into Square Enix. The engine didn't pan out like they hoped but I greatly enjoyed Forspoken
Bring on the In Tanta We Trust DLC
Bring on the In Tanta We Trust DLC
kazuyamishima
Member
Games like The Last of Us Part II and GOW:R needed about 5-6m sales at full price considering their budget
Forspoken needed less than that but obviously it won’t reach half than that.
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CunningPlan
Neo Member
I’m really glad to hear this news. Hopefully they can be integrated into one of the other business units under More capable leadership so we can start getting more regular numbered final fantasy releases. Imagine what creative business unit 3 could do with all that additional manpower.
MOTM
Banned
Some guy was even trying to point out how it outsold Hi-Fi rush (a shadow dropped gamepass game) as proof it was a blockbuster
SE need to keep things simple, the way Capcom does. Make AAA games from big IP’s and your occasional AA game here and there, don’t try to be something you aren’t, Forget the GAAS, games for a "modern audience" and all that rubbish.
Luminoso engine was really powerful... back in the day.
But like every Japanese company, SE wasted too much time to produce it, during the making of FF15 with all the problems they take, and then take further time to finish it despite it wasn't flexible in the first place , but at that point Unity and UE were at another level.
But like every Japanese company, SE wasted too much time to produce it, during the making of FF15 with all the problems they take, and then take further time to finish it despite it wasn't flexible in the first place , but at that point Unity and UE were at another level.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Unfortunately such mergers always result in some layoffs due to some low-level positions becoming redundant. Probably not enough in this case to qualify for mass layoffs and therefore, not news-worthy.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Not surprising.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Forspoken was pretty good. FF XV was also good.That's what's gonna happen when over $100 million budget being wasted on shitty game like Forspoken.
Please don't let this guy see this news.
rofif
I like the weird non unreal engine engine but they probably took too long to develop games
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It was fine. Not perfect, sure.... but the combat and open world movement is very enjoyable and fresh.
The problems around that game are not with the game itself. It's the twitter mob and bad marketing. I doubt many people would notice "bad dialogue" if not for the twitter crap honestly. It's not even 10% as annoying as atomic heart.
And tbh - it got the same japanese quirkiness vibe as ff 15
VolticArchangel
Member
Man SE doesn't fuck around. Square ain't soft anymore. Not surprising after the casual garbage that is Forspoken, but still they're sending a message to their internal teams.
"If we can let go of Crystal, we can reshuffle and merge Luminous as well. Whether you've developed our flagship IP's or not, is irrelevant here. Bring profits or fade into the air."
Holy shit.
"If we can let go of Crystal, we can reshuffle and merge Luminous as well. Whether you've developed our flagship IP's or not, is irrelevant here. Bring profits or fade into the air."
Holy shit.
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Drizzlehell
Banned
It wasn't just that. When the demo dropped these sentiments were mirrored by many, i.e. console visuals and performance is lackluster, the combat despite being flashy isn't really that fun, the open world is bland, the main character and dialogue is cringe and annoying, etc. etc.
For me personally it was the demo that killed my interest. If that's the slice of the game they've chosen to sell me on it then no thanks, I don't want it. Twitch clips showcasing just how bad the dialogue gets in this game was only the final nail in the coffin.
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lyan
Member
GAAS is what most of their profits come from (ff14 and the mobile games).Some guy was even trying to point out how it outsold Hi-Fi rush (a shadow dropped gamepass game) as proof it was a blockbuster
SE need to keep things simple, the way Capcom does. Make AAA games from big IP’s and your occasional AA game here and there, don’t try to be something you aren’t, Forget the GAAS, games for a "modern audience" and all that rubbish.
supernova8
Banned
main character didn't even have a nice ass, what a waste of time
CunningPlan
Neo Member
Which is why I don't understand their desperation to push out more sub par GAAS games. They have one of the most successful subscription games on the market. Supplemented with high quality AA and AAA single player offerings and they're onto a winner.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
I JUST KILLED A GAME STUDIO WITH MY FREAKIN MIND
SJRB
Gold Member
"Fine" is good enough for an indie title that cost 20 bucks on Steam.
But for a big studio big budget 70 euro pricetag, "fine" is a disaster. Also blaming twitter mob is poor reasoning. Twitter mobs didn't stop Hogwarts Legacy or Atomic Heart from selling gangbusters. You're not seriously thinking a meme video in twitter stopped millions of people from buying this game, do you?
Forspoken just wasn't good enough. It happens.
Physiognomonics
Member
Based on the demo alone it was easy to see the game was going to fail.
But hey at least their engine had at least one good stuff as the magic effects were pretty good.
But hey at least their engine had at least one good stuff as the magic effects were pretty good.