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Madden PSP screens are here
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Bluecondor
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Please - if this game is even decent I'm getting it, and I will play it all the time when I travel. You just don't have a lot of alternatives when it comes to quality handheld sports games.
Dagless M.D.
Member
Why can it not look as good as this?
Meier said:
Yeah, it's strange. It seems like all EA portable PSP games have some sort of problem. Whether it is long loading or slow gameplay, missing franchises modes, something is off. I thought the mantra of the EA portable division was to give console level experience on the go? They said their goal was no comprimises. Well they've truly failed miserably this first year. Here is to next year when they have more time. Hopefully they get everything together and deliver a decent product. Charging 50 bucks for each game is just icing on their crap cake they've delivered in 2005 for PSP.
WasabiKing
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JeffDowns said:
we don't count views in real-time, or else some thread starters would kill views to 5000 since they hit F5 every two minutes.
Sho Nuff said:
:lol SHO NUFF FLAWLESS VICTORY
Actually, is EA developing this in house, or is it being handled by an external dev?
It really did suck at E3. The models in NBA Street looked passable but that was only 6 players on screen at once, where here we have 22.
Roland Hood
Member
I guess EA didn't want to allocate the resources for a niche game like Madden.
Bluecondor
Member
jman2050 said:
No offense, but this thread is 95% about graphics and EA's exclusive license.
I have been playing football games since the Atari 2600, and have played every game available. Ya - Gameday and the 2K series have been solid titles in certain years, but, the simple fact is that Madden plays a solid game of football.
It's also ridiculous to call the Madden series "shovelware," like it is some shoddy second-rate game that has no production value or no gameplay. Madden is the game of choice for millions of people who wait for it to come out every year.
And - if you want to list the flaws of the title - that's fine, but, remember, that anyone who plays football games can list the flaw of any title - Gameday, 2K, Fever, you name it..
Bottom line - if you like football - the Madden series is a great thing. If you want to play portable football - Madden on the PSP is an exciting prospect (as is Madden on the 360).
I'm not going to pass up the chance to play portable football, just because of some esoteric desire to prove a point to EA.
Ignatz Mouse
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Y'know, it is pretty damn weird this game looks so bad, when SSX looks better. I know that they're different studios, but I woudl think Madden has a much bigger budget. Perhaps whoever is in charge of that studio isn't very good at getting his team to produce or deal with the new tech-- or perhaps EA knows this will sell no matter what, but that SSX will have to look good to sell.
Anyway, unless this gets better, too bad for what might have been a real system seller (and I suppose it might be anyway).
Anyway, unless this gets better, too bad for what might have been a real system seller (and I suppose it might be anyway).
Bluecondor
Member
DMczaf said:
Sure graphics is part of it - but - the simple fact is that the game is a decent simulation of football. It's definitely not perfect, but, it has evolved enough over the years so that people willingly buy it year-in-year-out.
Bluecondor said:
Talk about missing the point entirely.
People are pissed because this game looks like ass, yet EA apologists like yourself go on saying they'll buy it anyway because "there aren't a whole lot of options for football on the go. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
Bluecondor
Member
Actually - I'm not missing the point at all.
IGN puts up a bunch of screenshots for a game that has been solid for 16 years now.
Instead of giving the game the benefit of the doubt, people come on here and look for seams in the grass textures.
To me - this isn't just missing the point - you're (literally) looking at the grass and ignoring the forest.
And - fine - call me an EA apologist - but - the Madden series is the best football game ever made. It has been a enjoyable game for 16 years on multiple platforms. I've never understood the "crime" that EA has allegedly committed with the Madden series. Again - you get lots of discussion on the lack of innovation from year to year, and the same old presentation - all of which are negative points about the game that any fan of football gaming will admit. Still though - its flaws don't make it a "crime" or "shovelware." It is a believable simulation of many aspects of NFL football, in many different ways, on and off the field.
I just don't see a need for an apology with this game....
IGN puts up a bunch of screenshots for a game that has been solid for 16 years now.
Instead of giving the game the benefit of the doubt, people come on here and look for seams in the grass textures.
To me - this isn't just missing the point - you're (literally) looking at the grass and ignoring the forest.
And - fine - call me an EA apologist - but - the Madden series is the best football game ever made. It has been a enjoyable game for 16 years on multiple platforms. I've never understood the "crime" that EA has allegedly committed with the Madden series. Again - you get lots of discussion on the lack of innovation from year to year, and the same old presentation - all of which are negative points about the game that any fan of football gaming will admit. Still though - its flaws don't make it a "crime" or "shovelware." It is a believable simulation of many aspects of NFL football, in many different ways, on and off the field.
I just don't see a need for an apology with this game....
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Nerevar said:
I don't see the big deal. Blue wants to buy a portable football game. This is going to be the best one out. Let's say the gameplay is incredible and graphics are average, what is the problem with buying it? Everyone isn't a graphics obsessed gamer. The fact that you can play your franchise on your PSP and when you get home, sync it up with your PS2 to update your progress is pretty awesome in itself.
Bartman3010 said:
Are you kidding? EA employed developer groups consistently exhibit some of the worst modelling this generation. Look at the player proportions in Madden or in MVP- they are pathetic.
No quibbles on gameplay, but their players always look cartoony and ill proportioned.
Bluecondor said:
The best football game ever.
You guys really need to try to this game out. I never even watch football/soccer, but the gameplay in this game is just genius. This coming from a guy who is jaded about pretty much almost every game that comes out these days. I will continue to pimp this game until I get every sports fanatic on the bandwagon.
I would probably get a PSP if it had something different than what the current consoles are offereing (like 2D goodness). But, if they can make a 80-90% accurate version of Winning Eleven I think I might seriously pick it up for that game alone. Though playing it with that stick will suck.
bionic77 said:
The best football game ever.
You guys really need to try to this game out. I never even watch football/soccer, but the gameplay in this game is just genius. This coming from a guy who is jaded about pretty much almost every game that comes out these days. I will continue to pimp this game until I get every sports fanatic on the bandwagon.
I would probably get a PSP if it had something different than what the current consoles are offereing (like 2D goodness). But, if they can make a 80-90% accurate version of Winning Eleven I think I might seriously pick it up for that game alone. Though playing it with that stick will suck.
Bionic, bring up SOCCER in another Madden thread and the fat man gets it!
...damn, too late.
dark10x:
That's the example that least shows the difference between color modes. Non-PowerVR systems which can't blend internally suffer far more noticeable banding/dithering with a 16-bit target framebuffer. In that mode, Dreamcast loses very little due to only needing a single dither while a conventional 16-bit render, like from other video cards of the time, can degrade color several times over:
It does do a better job than many cards did when rendering 16-bit color (though I always thought the Voodoo3 series did a better job than PowerVR...and I've owned both a PCX2 and Neon 250 in addition to a V3), but you can't completely escape dithering.
Dithering is far from my only complaint here, of course. 640x480 with no AA looks like SHIT on a high quality display devices. Case closed. You can argue all damn day, but it doesn't matter in the end. The results speak for themselves.
Who the hell even cares? The fact that you are now defending the Dreamcast against a f*cking handheld just proves that you need to let go. The Neon 250 is OLD hardware.
I was a PowerVR supporter at one time, but the support for their cards was crap and that turned me away. The only 3D card I've owned that gave me more problems was an old Matrox Mystique 2mb. D3D + PowerVR = hell, OGL = great looking, but slower, and nobody uses PowerSGL (and the few that did really didn't mean anything). Unreal, for example, supported PSGL. However, the Glide version was significantly better looking (though the 250 fixed a lot of things).
Those cards had great image quality for their time (though I played most games at 512x384 just to get decent framerates), but they didn't work well in practice.
It's like I've just warped back 5-6 years or something. Nobody would use a PowerVR product in a gaming PC these days...and the other uses, while cheap, produces results in line with their price point. Bleh.
How many PVR cards do you own? You better have more than two, 'cuz it would look pretty bad if the VOICE of PowerVR owned fewer PVR products than someone who no longer supports them...
Can't believe I forgot to post the circle of protection in this thread. What was I thinking?
Bluecondor said:
You are still missing the point. First off, yes, we haven't played the game, but a lot of people have, and the reactions have been lukewarm at best. Second of all, we know that EA can do better, it's just that that either don't want to or haven't allocated any real resources. Thirdly, if the game DOES end up, the excuse 'oh, well there's nothing else out there, so I guess this'll have to do' along with a subsequent purchase only reinforces the belief at EA that they don't have to try harder the next time. The situation with Madden is an even more interesting case, simply because EA owns exclusive rights to NFL names.
Besides, my poitn was in general. I did not imply at any point that the Madden series was shovelware, since you're right: console Madden games have consistently been pretty good despite the lack of innovation. That doesn't excuse EA from all the other shovelware they throw out and make millions off of.
dark10x:
Not just many cards... any card.
Voodoo3 would produce a result like in the first, grainy shot when rendering that scene in Serious Sam.
16-bit can have only limited precision versus 32-bit, but Dreamcast wouldn't compound that problem.
It's presented well on Naomi arcade monitors and some HDTVs and PC monitors.
The example which was given to explain color dithering was the least demonstrative that could've been chosen and was responsible for even referencing the Dreamcast on the subject.
You haven't actually used a V3, have you? It argued against 32-bit color based on its 16-bit rendering abilities. Go research the card...
Oh, and arcade monitors and HDTVs do a very good job with DC, but PC monitors do not. You will not find a modern PC MONITOR that escapes my complaints. 640x480 on a PC monitor is EXTREMELY ugly. No question about it.
I will assume, based of the fact that YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THE REST OF MY POST, that you have no knowledge of the PC side of things. No more DC talk. Let it rest in peace.
So, how many PVR cards do you own? How much experience do you have with PVR cards on the PC? How many different video cards from various generations have you owned and used? It's sounding to me like you have very little experience.
newsguy said:
Yeah, me too. PSP version has franchise mode? That helps cushion the blow. I'm guessing there is no hit stick stuff though due to the lack of right stick? What about the new field of vision passing? I doubt that will be in there either. Oh well. My main concern is slowdown in gameplay. A lot of the EA PSP sports titles seem to run reeeeeeaaaaaaallllllllyyyyy sssssssssssllllllloooooooooooooow. The graphics are an issue but not a huge one. It is the slowdown which drives me crazy.
