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Mat Piscatella (NPD) - Helldivers 2 is a huge hit, but it’s mostly coming from PC. (Update: tweets deleted, no evidence provided)
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FrankWza
Member
Because he got caught warring and called out for it
Senua
Member
That never stopped PS users before!
RickMasters
Member
See...when you start sentences with make beleive things like "
Its why I cant take you seriously...your living in your own head mate. thats a you problem not mine....I could sit hear and say you suck pussy through a mcdonalds straw....does it make it true? I dont know what you like like. I dont care either..I dont know you...I wouldnt assume anything....its a normal human thing to do. go touch grass man. nothing else to say to ya . this is the thing with a lot of you 'gamers' on here....got your heads so far up your asses you cant help but frame every comment you dont like through the lense of console wars all why trying to give of this faux intellect vibe, as if you are some vanguard of all that is common sense in the gaming world...its weird...chill.
"And FYI, this is how I communicate."
lol...thats CAP.... but I guess you can be whatever you want over the internet, eh?
" Sorry to disappoint, I won't be dragged down to your level."
Says the guy who calls people things like a 'cuck' over the internet over random exces neither of us know! lol are you being serious right now.....this is your level mate. And you know you dont talk like this in real life because you get punched in the face. dont tell me you walk around being a self absorbed smug cunt in real life because you love your playstation, now.....
How can I port beg for a game I already haveown though? And whats wrong with pointing out that GAAS games should be everywhere....jesus....you would think I was suggesting they put GT, ghosts of tsushima and uncharted on xbox they way you overreact....par for course for a closet fanboy though. just admit you bleed blue and keep it moving. its actually Ok with me, bruh..... Im only that protective over the dallas cowboys, akai drum machines, cubase and lexus. shove ya console wars up your ass! lol
GHG
Member
Because it's become abundantly clear that his data is off, so he's attempting to deflect.
GHG
Member
graywolf323
Member
same reason I haven’t picked it up, I’m very interested but would I have to actually voice chat?
I haven’t really gotten into an online MP in like a decade now 
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If these numbers are true it’s 1/4 actively playing US Steam accounts. Not 1/4 of all US accounts out there.
FrankWza
Member
It helps but if you play with random players 1 or 2 out of 10 voice chat. Its better with friendssame reason I haven’t picked it up, I’m very interested but would I have to actually voice chat?
Yea that doesn't really compute - even less so knowing the CCU and server limitations so far.
I guess PS would give us something in the 1M ballpark (based off of install base, since active users exceed it), which would still be high for just the one region, but at least a bit more plausible.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
PC master race hungry for that Sony goodness.
Braag
Member
When trying to make sense of these things you need to sometimes think things from the publishers perspective. Big corpos have 1 mission, to grow every year, that's what is required of them by the shareholders and that's their number 1 objective. Eventually you will hit diminishing returns as far as growth goes, that's when you need to expand your scope and start changing your strategy in order to keep growing year after year.
These big publishers know that they have the men gaming already, they don't need to try to get them to play games since most of them are doing that already. But the amount of girls playing is vastly smaller, so they see that as a way of expansion. So they start marketing stuff more towards them and revealing that girls playing games is actually far more common than anyone thinks. It's also why they try to market so hard towards LGBTQ, it's untapped market. It's all part of growth.
Astorian
Member
Elaborate?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Around 14% of the 120m active steam users are in the US:
Whereas for playstation the estimate is as follows:
Where are Steam, Xbox and PlayStation's players located?
We crunch a lot of data for the answers. Also: the state of Switch & more.newsletter.gamediscover.co
However with the playstation data, that includes non-PS5 players, so that makes things more complicated in terms of extrapolating numbers from these percentages.
Based on what Mat is saying, he's suggesting sales of at least 4.2 million for Helldivers on Steam in the US alone. That doesn't seem plausible.
These analysts you cite here GameDiscoverCo are also saying 65%-75% of copies were sold on Steam worldwide
We’ll never get real sales splits from Sony.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Ftfy.
Astray
Gold Member
I dislike him, but it's not fair to say this when he's not actually sharing his analysis, just weird little teasers.
We're not his customers so obviously we don't get his work product for free.
Mr Moose
Member
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Why the war over this? It’s a service game, Jesus. Be happy it’s selling wherever it sells, that means more people playing.
Are you talking key sites or something? Game is $40 on Steam and PS5.
Are you talking key sites or something? Game is $40 on Steam and PS5.
GHG
Member
That's the issue, they are stating splits when it's notoriously difficult to get digital data out of Sony. I don't doubt that there are more players on Steam than there are on the PS5, that in itself would make sense. However, to state that 1 in 4 active steam accounts in the US alone are playing the game, that's a stretch and a half given the numbers we've seen in recent days.
We will have to wait for an update from the devs or Sony themselves.
Astorian
Member
Nah, I'm an active raider and there is almost always a woman when in VC.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Anytime in gaming you see metrics saying women play just as much as men is going to be misleading. Not only do more men play games, but even if it’s true somehow women play 50/50 with guys the games they play are totally different. They definitely must skew to non competitive games like Sims or puzzles games because there is no way women play popular games like fps, sports, gta, counter strike, lol etc….
It’s a meaningless metric but it sounds good for sake of inclusivity and evening out the stats. It’s like that old social media’s usage study from like 2016 or 17 I remember. Women use social media sites a bit more but if it’s 60/40 women who really cares because the important info is which sites are used by whom more. Linked in skewed to guys, I think Twitter and FB were kind of close 50/50 while Pinterest and Instagram where like 75/25 women.
Years ago there was a post and chart from somewhere I forget where it showed the % of gamers being women by genre. It was some kind of research survey or something. I’m sure some of you remember it too. I think sports and shooters were both like 5% or less women playing.
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kazuyamishima
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There’s a cap of 450k players on each platform atm (450k on Pc and 450k on PS5). Both platforms seems to be full most of the times considering all the people complaining on PS5 FB groups and other forums about not being able to get into the game because the servers are full.
The game is #1 on PSN US and other regions, yet Matt is doing the same platform warring that others are doing and got blocked in his account.
Him and Daniel Ahmad have some bizarre analysis regarding PS things related. Funny thing is that these wrong analysis are fuel and food for a lot of platform warriors.
The game is #1 on PSN US and other regions, yet Matt is doing the same platform warring that others are doing and got blocked in his account.
Him and Daniel Ahmad have some bizarre analysis regarding PS things related. Funny thing is that these wrong analysis are fuel and food for a lot of platform warriors.
tmlDan
Member
Analysts don't share teasers without validity, otherwise they're bad at it.
If he can't expand on how they gather data and the % of accuracy it has then don't share it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Blood Borne
Member
What does “owned” mean?
Are they referring to the person that bought it?
In other words, if a Mum buys her son a PS5 then that is counted as female owned?
Yeah, the situation is very similar. Both games with high Steam users and top played games on console.
Topher
Gold Member
And yet two entirely different approaches in "analyzing" these two games.
Piscatella brings all this on himself and then plays the victim.
Roxkis_ii
Member
Where!? I've been looking for US steam keys and they're all about the same price.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Cd keys
graywolf323
Member
sadly my friend base is largely the same as me and focuses on single player stuff
I loved things like SOCOM, Halo, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, etc. ~20 years ago though but that was back in my high school/college days when I had more energy/time to invest in MP games & I then fell off pretty hard at the tail end of the PS3/360 gen
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Owned means nothing except when it comes to marketing who to buy it. But the marketing changes towards who uses it or wants it.
It’s like toys.
Most toys are bought by adults and parents. But the user of Barbie is the kid.
So the marketing to kids is tv show ads, cartoons and cool colourful packaging. The marketing to parents is price and Xmas gift buying guides in the mail.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
I don't care about the platform splits, just want to play the god damn game lol.
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UniformDeliverance
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I don’t have any access to any kind of fancy data or metrics or some such…
But. Seems to me that helldivers is exactly the kind of game that would thrive on Steam. An online cooperative shooter, on a pc platform with a catastrophically larger audience of active users than PlayStation?
Yeah. It’s probably doing larger numbers on Steam. I can’t prove that. But I think it’s a reasonable assumption. Smart of Sony to launch it multiplatform. Not sure why some folks feel an instinctive need to get hyper defensive about it.
But. Seems to me that helldivers is exactly the kind of game that would thrive on Steam. An online cooperative shooter, on a pc platform with a catastrophically larger audience of active users than PlayStation?
Yeah. It’s probably doing larger numbers on Steam. I can’t prove that. But I think it’s a reasonable assumption. Smart of Sony to launch it multiplatform. Not sure why some folks feel an instinctive need to get hyper defensive about it.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Interesting to note: Fortnite did better on PS4 than PC. Now that's F2P and skews to a younger demographic but I assumed the splits would be ~50:50 for Helldivers.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
is it true that even PS players want this game to be released on Xbox and Switch?
DeepEnigma
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kazuyamishima
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FrankWza
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Klosshufvud
Member
I told you guys it was bullshit. This dumb Matt guy is master of twisting questionable data the dumbest possible way. His statement never held any ground.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I've never seen so many operatives so desperate to try and promote how popular this game is on PC in the hope that it persuades Sony to release all their games day and date on PC.
It was always obvious that GaaS games should release day and date with PC, you need the streamers (who almost exclusively play on PC) to be playing it and a healthy player base benefits all that own the game. For single player games though, I'm not sure it makes quite as much sense. (yet)
It was always obvious that GaaS games should release day and date with PC, you need the streamers (who almost exclusively play on PC) to be playing it and a healthy player base benefits all that own the game. For single player games though, I'm not sure it makes quite as much sense. (yet)
Raonak
Banned
Nope keep those green rats and red cocaroaches away from me.
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thebigmanjosh
Member
All analysts make shit up. They’re paid, professional guessers with the same access to information that we have as consumers. The only difference is they run surveys and studies, which may or may not produce accurate and valuable results.
For reference: https://www.economist.com/special-report/1999/10/07/cutting-the-cord
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