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At this rate, I won't be surprised if the next DQ game for the 3DS (Monsters I think) won't reach over 1m.
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At this rate, I won't be surprised if the next DQ game for the 3DS (Monsters I think) won't reach over 1m.
LizardKing
Member
Which IMO is a mistake to do with your franchise because people don't always know that and the just know they played one of the other 2 and didn't like it as much so they became less interested in the series. Still like I said I think the sales were maybe a little weak, I would have thought maybe 300k. I just don't think you can ignore a difference in 15 million platform owners when comparing them. And a sales difference of a hundred thousand is miniscule when talking about 15 million system owners.
electroplankton
Banned
That should not be a problem, since Terry's Wonderland 3D is not a new game but a remake.
Earthpainting
Member
This is sort of where I stand. They just keep piling more and more onto a story that was pretty dire to start with and I've come to the point where I just want them to shed all the baggage and start fresh. A Kingdom Hearts 3 where they bring the current story to a close isn't going to do it for me any more. Not having played the GBA or DS games doesn't help either. Here's hoping that they'll make it easier for people to get into the franchise again once they got 3 out of the way.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
That seems to be the general trend among humans.Mario007 said:
Just know this; there are plenty of people who have played most or every game and have no idea what is going on.
I have to agree here on the perfomance on KH. I mean hell, how many spin-off games have there been since KH2? 4 by my count? Asking fans to buy all these non-KH3 games for 7 years now since KH2 and maintain that kind of sakes consistency is pretty conceited. One just has to look at SE's last bomba, FFXIII-2 to see the effect that franchise fatigue has.
I think the real concern here is how relevant Square-Enix is going to be in Japan in the next few years if all the population still cares enough about to buy are Dragon Quest games. I believe both FF and KH brands are damaged, FF needs to release Versus and then chill out for a while and KH just needs to have the sequel the fans have been waiting for.
Hmm, apparently the code can't handle more than 2 entries with the same name.
Sure.
But we'd still be qualifying the game as a bomb if it had sold *integrates* 280K units.
They are banking on social and phone games like everyone else.
charlequin
Banned
Most of our pre-release discussion was talking about a performance in the neighborhood of BbS as being solid and one in the neighborhood of 179 Days being on the poor side. This is worse.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Welp, so much for Pit and Palutena. 
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
WTH at people calling Kid Icarus a disappointment. A month ago most people were expecting the title to barely hit 100k, and now it's pretty much a lock for 250k+ LTD. Considering it might as well be a new IP, I would say those numbers are pretty good. Also, as for 3DS titles "underperforming" I would point you to the new Harvest Moon for established franchises selling better on 3DS.
And people saying KHDD should of been a PSP title, you are only considering the japanese market. 3DS is a much better choice for such a franchise that sells so well both in the western AND eastern market. Though I do have to agree that the KHDD numbers are disappointing.
And people saying KH
DD should of been a PSP title, you are only considering the japanese market. 3DS is a much better choice for such a franchise that sells so well both in the western AND eastern market. Though I do have to agree that the KHDD numbers are disappointing.factors I would consider:
* BbS launched almost right after new years. Younger kids have the most disposable income at this time period, making purchases easier. There were also no serious games for the PSP launching at the same time vying for users' mindshare. KI launched a week prior for 3DS, and while not a real series title, the marketing blitz Nintendo's provided likely resulted in some cannibalized sales.
* DS/PSP userbase at time of release. It does take a serious fan to buy a system for a game.
* Number of previous SquareEnix games/RPGs/etc prior to release. This is the big one IMO, Square's obviously shown they're ramping up support for 3DS but we've only seen the start of things. Only thing 3DS has had Square-wise so far is Theatrhythm, which has the looks of a cash-in if you don't have access to the demo. Both DS and PSP releases came after waves of SE titles, and that's a userbase that may not necessarily buy a system for KH, but will buy KH if they already owned the system.
Numbers could have been a lot better but I wouldn't say it's at bomba range. I'd be interested to see how SE follows up over the years though; maybe I'm wrong here but Nomura-ish titles like Dissidia and Crisis Core share a similar userbase with KH, and if they don't end up migrating those types of titles to the 3DS at a later date then this KH3D launch would have been a complete waste. Like many people in the thread have said it would have sold double on the PSP easy. It'd be like Capcom making MH3G and then going back to PSP/Vita for MH4P.
* BbS launched almost right after new years. Younger kids have the most disposable income at this time period, making purchases easier. There were also no serious games for the PSP launching at the same time vying for users' mindshare. KI launched a week prior for 3DS, and while not a real series title, the marketing blitz Nintendo's provided likely resulted in some cannibalized sales.
* DS/PSP userbase at time of release. It does take a serious fan to buy a system for a game.
* Number of previous SquareEnix games/RPGs/etc prior to release. This is the big one IMO, Square's obviously shown they're ramping up support for 3DS but we've only seen the start of things. Only thing 3DS has had Square-wise so far is Theatrhythm, which has the looks of a cash-in if you don't have access to the demo. Both DS and PSP releases came after waves of SE titles, and that's a userbase that may not necessarily buy a system for KH, but will buy KH if they already owned the system.
Numbers could have been a lot better but I wouldn't say it's at bomba range. I'd be interested to see how SE follows up over the years though; maybe I'm wrong here but Nomura-ish titles like Dissidia and Crisis Core share a similar userbase with KH, and if they don't end up migrating those types of titles to the 3DS at a later date then this KH3D launch would have been a complete waste. Like many people in the thread have said it would have sold double on the PSP easy. It'd be like Capcom making MH3G and then going back to PSP/Vita for MH4P.
They should just say "Fuck it!", rename Versus to KH3, put in Disney characters and be done with it. Doesn't matter that the story is totally different, because no one understands what is going on in KH anyway!
Alex
Member
That franchise is like a decade old now, I wonder if the convolution hurts bringing in lapsed and newer generations of fans into it. I also wonder that about Metal Gear, too, though. After 4 and it's hype cloud dissipated, that is and how it will do in the future.
so much for Pit and Palutena.
It's a really good game but I don't understand what they were thinking with the controls. I realize it started life as a Wii game but it's like after they moved it they refused to redesign anything because the game would likely work FLAWLESSLY on the Wii with IR and extra in-reach buttons.
I do like it, again, but I wonder what word of mouth is like in a lot of spots since I can't even play the thing without the stand, myself... Not so great for a handheld game.
thehypocrite
Member
Kingdom Hearts is a Bomba.
PSVita on life support.
The market is too risky nowadays and the 3DS is not helping to alienate those fears. Not a good situation.
PSVita on life support.
The market is too risky nowadays and the 3DS is not helping to alienate those fears. Not a good situation.
And people saying KH
Yeah, it probably would of done a lot more in Japan on PSP but then absolutely abysmal sales anywhere else. They are probably taking a hit here due to the small install base of the 3DS in Japan compared to the PSP or even the DS but this way it actually has a chance outside of Japan.
Personally I don't think the numbers are that surprising given how few (in comparison to PSP/DS) 3DSes are out there.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Awesome 3DS numbers (colors!) but those make KH's debut even more disappointing.
Decent little bump for Vita, see? Release *games*.
Decent little bump for Vita, see? Release *games*.
AgentChris
Member
Bad sales for KH
electroplankton
Banned
I doubt KH 3D would have seen much bigger numbers elsewhere.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
It did well above my expectations. I am just disappointed because, for a moment, it looked like it wasn't gonna have such a big drop-off.
Sammy Samusu
Member
A friend of mine lives currently in Japan and even though he considers himself a KH fan he was hesitant to pick up KH3D. Why? Because the memories of the DS games put him off.
Throwing two half-assed, low-budget spin-offs on the market might have actually salted the ground on Nintendo handhelds. That and the neverending flood of KH "sidegames". Even though the games after KH2 have been pretty substantial nevertheless, many people still regard them as "just" spin-offs or lesser parts of the series -- I think it's time to finally develop KH3.
Throwing two half-assed, low-budget spin-offs on the market might have actually salted the ground on Nintendo handhelds. That and the neverending flood of KH "sidegames". Even though the games after KH2 have been pretty substantial nevertheless, many people still regard them as "just" spin-offs or lesser parts of the series -- I think it's time to finally develop KH3.
No plattform alone can or will be able to sustain the console market, the home console area will need WiiU, the same way the portable will and should find a place for Vita.
I think in general most Gaffers seem to have just way to high expectations. I look around and there is tons of competition for these handheld titles nowadays and publishers are still charging +5-6000k when social and mobile games are pretty much for free.
L5 sold around 400K witch Layton and Inazuma 11 last year on a system which just had passed the 5 million market and people acted as if they were to go bankrupt in a minute. Expectation needs be checked, enviroment has changed and if you arent Mario, Monster Hunter or Dragon Quest you better adjust the development costs correctly to at least make your money.
Anything past 300-400K great is a very good result for personally and there arent many handheld games i would expect to sell way more in the markets current state.
Anything less than 600K ltd for 3D would be disappointing, i hope its one of the games which will rise again once the Redesign is out. Or maybe there will be a Final Mix version for both handhelds next year.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
This is the nation that introduced the Monster Hunter claw though. Unorthodox control designs are not an impediment for Japan.
Alex
Member
I tore through all of freedom unite without the claw or anything else and a method of finger movement isn't akin to a physical plastic stand in any case.
Monster hunters controls are eccentric, but they also make sense to its design whereas kid icarus just feels crippled to me. I still like the game, really good game, but it should've been on wii or it should've been redesigned when it was moved, that's just my opinion on it.
electroplankton
Banned
Also: all these titles surely are building a really strong reputation for 3DS; software houses should insist on this direction so we can see follow-ups opening better.
Would be too soon to talk about legs but looks like a pretty healthy decline for 2nd week to me.
define bombing. I would be pleasantly surprised if Bravely Default sells more than 4WOL. Are you expecting more?
The few 3DS games with bigger opening are MK7, SM3DL, and MH3G. All 3 franchises are much bigger than KH.
Glad KI didn't have a 70+% drop. Hopefully word of mouth will carry it far.
that's not true at all.
I'm expecting much much more. SE is being very hands on with the release of timely demos as a prologue and they're gonna try to pass it off as the next big thing.
I'm not expecting FFIII numbers, but FFIVr numbers seem reasonable enough if the push and quality is there.
that's not true at all.
I'm expecting much much more. SE is being very hands on with the release of timely demos as a prologue and they're gonna try to pass it off as the next big thing.
I'm not expecting FFIII numbers, but FFIVr numbers seem reasonable enough if the push and quality is there.
I think people will get over the controls. Myself I can play w/o a stand just fine if I use my right pinky as extra support on the right side, others have devised their own way of playing comfortably. If local multiplayer amongst teens takes off, this kind of workaround for comfort will probably propagate alongside word of mouth for the game -- much easier to propose oddball methods of control when you're face-to-face with a person. As Regulus Tera has mentioned, see: MHP.
Of course, if local MP never takes off and it remains a mostly online affair for everyone, we'll probably end up with 300K LTD or so at best.
Alex
Member
Really? That's what I heard a few times (and it sure seems like it was designed around that), apologies if I am mistaken.
I played it a ton the first day or so but it cramped up my wrists and I couldn't be assed to keep busting out the little stand each time so I just returned to Mario Kart :lol
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Putting it on the Wii would have seriously hurt the multiplayer aspect. It seemed to me like Sakurai was trying to ape some of the Monster Hunter social formula by making it a game you could play with anyone on your commute/at lunch/whatever.
Play sitting down/reclined against a wall with the 3DS resting on your lap. I haven't had any problems with this posture.
This, it`ll take some time to rebuild those markets - after all the DS and the PSP was the by far the most popular handheld generation. 3DS was dead after it launch and just at the end of last year it started to fulfill expectations, you cant just jump from a +30 million handheld which is owned by everyone to the 3DS and expect the sales to be the same for ever IP. We are still pretty early in the 3DS life cycle, the system still need time to mature and for 3rd partys to see what works and what doesnt.
There are still many people waiting on the 3DS redesign and Nintendo is hoarding their big casual games. Animal Crossing, Brain Training and Co. were all released before more bigger "classic" title were released, this time is different and we are still waiting on real big casual hits to be released. As i said before, for me KH is an IP with strong casual appeal which would have benefited from being released on a bigger userbase.
frankie_baby
Member
Anyone expecting bbs numbers for ddd was crazy and even days numbers would've been a little ambitious, overall i'd say it did solidly with smidgin of dissapointing, hopefully with the 3ds userbase growing rapidly it may have decent legs especially with golden week coming up soon but we will see
If anything, what I'll keep an eye out is how Kingdom Hearts games perform from now on.
Could be the platform of choice, could be Square-Enix jumping platforms (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, 3DS)..or could be that people not saw this as an "important release", or maybe just people "getting tired" of it.
Who knows. Guess the legs (or lack of legs) could give an idea, maybe sales outside Japan; but not sure until at least the next game is released...and on which platform.
Could be the platform of choice, could be Square-Enix jumping platforms (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, 3DS)..or could be that people not saw this as an "important release", or maybe just people "getting tired" of it.
Who knows. Guess the legs (or lack of legs) could give an idea, maybe sales outside Japan; but not sure until at least the next game is released...and on which platform.
electroplankton
Banned
The proof that the userbase is pretty good is the performance MK7, MH3G, SM3DL are showing on a weekly basis. They're pretty different games, and they're holding nicely since last November / December.
I think no one expected MH3G to sell so constantly, and reaching the 1,5 mark. This is a great result and we know that MH userbase might bring nice result in such genres or brand that were more typical on PSP.
Actually i expected Tri G sell up to 2 million lifetime. Anything less than 1.5 million would have been a failure in my eyes, especially since there was no new Vita/PSP title announced.
After one week ? Erm okay, on which hardware would you have put 3D when making the decision in 2010 ?
They developed it in less than 2 years and pretty much re-used the engine, its no 50 million hd game they were developing here. Though without legs, sales will be disappointing.
electroplankton
Banned
Well, it's still selling 20k on a weekly basis, + a Best Price version should be granted.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Wow, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, and Monster Hunter 3G all sold over a million already.
I'm not surprised or anything. But that's good to see.
I'm not surprised or anything. But that's good to see.
Making it PSP in Japan would've been fine, then porting it for international release. Or at least outsourcing it to h.a.n.d. or another studio so it wouldn't take up internal resources.
Do you really think "a Nintendo system" is the issue here?