Magicpaint
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SMTIV was always going to have a massive drop as do most RPGs, but I'm surprised there is no extra shipment planned until the 13th of June.
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Media Create Sales: Week 21, 2013 (May 20 - May 26)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Probably MH4 preorders on Amazon will start today
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B005MNP140/
Amazon page has been greatly updated. It's possible this is also when preorders on Comgnet will start.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B005MNP140/
Amazon page has been greatly updated. It's possible this is also when preorders on Comgnet will start.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Yeah, I didn't dare to ask but I could not find the results anywhere, and incidentally could not either find April results.
Bruno MB
Member
Shin Megami Tensei IV has enough stock (46.000 units) for at least 2 more weeks.
Let's say it follows a normal pattern for a front-loaded title like this:
1st week - 188.562 / NEW (235.000 units shipped)
2nd week - 28.284 / 216.846 (-85%)
3rd week - 11.313 / 228.159 (-60%)
4th week (new shipment arrives) -
Let's say it follows a normal pattern for a front-loaded title like this:
1st week - 188.562 / NEW (235.000 units shipped)
2nd week - 28.284 / 216.846 (-85%)
3rd week - 11.313 / 228.159 (-60%)
4th week (new shipment arrives) -
Sammy Samusu
Member
it better perch at #1
gamergirly
Member
I think it's because good first party software with a good reputation was released on Wii and has continued to draw in late adopters
Games like Zombi U would've sold much better if the system had more first party releases and a better effort from Nintendo. It's not that some of the more notable 3rd party games on Wii U had been released were all poor or to an non-existent audience, it's just that the majority of people buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games. There's really no double standard here. Nintendo needs 1st party games to get 3rd party games/support. Not the other way around.....
Probably will stay on the top until Pokemon is up for Pre-order.
frankie_baby
Member
just noticed lego city has a date on amazon for 25th of july, was this known before? any chance this could sell anything?
Road is trolling us
He wants us to participate but then you never know if the prediction was right or not...
test_account
XP-39C²
Yep, i think that is a guarantee, unless there is something other semi-big title that comes up for pre-order in the meantime.
Speaking of Amazon rankings, i'm surprised that Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has been 106 days in the Top 100. I didnt think that a fighting game was this popular. Not that the Amazon Top 10 gives much indication how big numbers we're talking about though, but still.
This discussion is primarily happening in the other thread, but I feel I should drop it here too for those who mostly follow sales info through these threads.
PES 2014 has been announced for 360/PS3/PC/PSP.
Their angry community manager has already explicitly confirmed it's not on 3DS (as "no one bought it") and PS4/Xbox One (because apparently doing those versions is lazy), so it's presumably safe to assume it's not on the other unaddressed platforms of Wii U and Vita as well.
PES 2014 has been announced for 360/PS3/PC/PSP.
Their angry community manager has already explicitly confirmed it's not on 3DS (as "no one bought it") and PS4/Xbox One (because apparently doing those versions is lazy), so it's presumably safe to assume it's not on the other unaddressed platforms of Wii U and Vita as well.
Since we're here discussing PES not being on several platforms, this is what last two entries sold on 3DS in Japan
PES 2012 (launched on December 8th, 2011) - 3,714 / 46,182
PES 2013 (launched on November 1st, 2012) - 11,365 / 43,484
Both LTDs up to end of 2012. As anyone can see here, PES 2013 saw a giant jump in sales compared to PES 2012, given the amount of time considered (2 months v.s. over one year), and this is why I'm so surprised there's no 3DS version this year: it'd have had another increase, especially due to MH4 coming to the platform and, so, bringing possible PES audience.
shinra-bansho
Member
The question mark is European sales though; the SKU may have underperformed there.
Magicpaint
Member
Yep. That's where the bulk of PES sales usually come from.
You're right. It's true that PSP SKU sees good sales in Spain, Greece and South-America, but outside of there, I don't think there has been such a big difference in sales. Who says there shouldn't have been another PES on PSP? It still sells despite being such a low budgeted effort in some parts of the world. But not making a 3DS SKU for a platform that will see a huge increase in installed base soon (due to Pokémon and AC here, due to MH4 in Japan), and that showed a big increase in sales from PES 2012 to PES 2013 in Japan seems not that right.
That's a giant jump in sales?
Given that they're forfeiting the entire next-gen market to EA for at least a year, I'm not sure the 3DS SKU is their biggest glaring issue, but yes there was at least a bit of potential there, even if they just shoved over the PSP version to at least have some kind of product present.
That said the PSP has fairly decent soccer sales in a few nations, which they presumably feel isn't met well enough by the 3DS SKU for them to put in the effort.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Yikes. So not only were the PES rumors about Vita/Wii U versions this year wrong, but they're dropping 3DS as well?
I wonder if Konami's Baseball games will be similarly dropping their Vita SKUs then given they've all sold worse than any PES 3DS?
I wonder if Konami's Baseball games will be similarly dropping their Vita SKUs then given they've all sold worse than any PES 3DS?
You may not think it, yet it may be so.
I'm more surprised there's no Vita version given how Fifa sold on the Vita in PAL land.
Konami's Baseball games don't sell anywhere near PES.
Maybe by percentage. In absolute units it looks decidedly unimpressive, if there even is a real increase, rather than just more front-loading.
Nintendo should just give Mario to Konami and let them make a Wii U/3DS Mario Soccer game done in the same engine. It would sell then.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
If 40k isn't enough for a 3DS port, why would less than that be enough for a Vita port? Nevermind that PES 3DS actually does well more than 40k worldwide.
shinra-bansho
Member
I would assume the budget allocations, and consequently sales expectations, for a baseball game targeted only at Japan(?) are much lower than a football game aimed at the global game market.
Not that the new PES shots particularly give off a big budget feel.
That being said I wouldn't be surprised if Konami like other publishers was consolidating to less platforms.
Not that the new PES shots particularly give off a big budget feel.
That being said I wouldn't be surprised if Konami like other publishers was consolidating to less platforms.
FW retail the three Vita baseball games sold better than PES 2012/2013 3DS. And the last one at retail did twice the sales of PES 2013 3DS.
Do you have updated LTD sales?
the key is cheap old/used wii software. thats what sells the system to parents, who are the ones still buying wiis.
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm, old, but seemingly relevant:
Sammy Samusu
Member
EDIT: Looking at the post below, it seems MC has more up to date numbers.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
ltds from glancing at the 2012 MC1000:
Power Pro 2012 Vita: 37,294
Pro Spirits 2012 Vita/ 34,977
Power Pro 2012 Keteibann Vita: 7,658
PES 2011 3DS: 105,394
PES 2012 3DS: 46,182
PES 2013 3DS: 43,484
Pro Spirits 2011 3DS: 42,616
Looks like weak legs for Vita, although there's digital to consider.
Konami shipped >50k in the first week and most of those sales were made at bomba bins.
And you are comparing LTD sales to FW or SW sales. But you already knew that because garaph doesn't have updated sales for any of the games and for some reason you could only find updated numbers for the 3DS game.
Yes. And still comparing PES to the baseball games makes no sense.
They might drop the Vita version but it has nothing to do with passing or not passing what PES has sold on 3DS.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Actually, I didn't. I thought Famitsu numbers were up to date (Top 1000). My mistake!
EDIT: To reflect your very dramatic edit, I was checking Famitsu data on Geimin. Ch...Now using MC data:
3DS Spirits 11 - 42,616
No more baseball games from Konami on the 3DS.
PSV Spirits 12 - 34,977
Followed by:
PSV Power 12 - 37,294
PSV Power 12 Definitive - 7,658
I believe it's still a valid observation, Spirits 3DS bombed and so did every entry released on PSV. The difference, Konami is still supporting PSV and they will probably announce Spirits 2014 for it. Clearly the "sold like shit, bye" rule doesn't apply here.
And every one of these games were sold at bomb bins, let's not.
Actually, I didn't. I thought Famitsu numbers were up to date (Top 1000). My mistake!
Now using MC data:
3DS Spirits 11 - 42,616
No more baseball games from Konami on the 3DS.
PSV Spirits 12 - 34,977
Followed by:
PSV Power 12 - 37,294
PSV Power 12 Definitive - 7,658
I believe it's still a valid observation, Spirits 3DS bombed and so did every entry released on PSV. The difference, Konami is still supporting PSV and they will probably announce Spirits 2014 for it. Clearly the "sold like shit, bye" rule doesn't apply here.
And every one of these games were sold at bomb bins, let's not.
It is a fair and valid obsevation. At this point, trying again with Pro Spirits 3DS should be a good option.
But maybe Sony is pressuring Konami for the Vita SKU, considering PS3 and PSP is where the fanbase is or maybe Konami doesn't want two similar portable versions (PSP-3DS) in the market.
And now you are using the correct numbers and giving some thought and not using the usual "witty" response + a gif/video.
Well done.
Honestly both sold like shit. Just like the NG Vita ports or the countless Musou port for the PSP. I don't know why they keep doing these.
Toukkiden is different (putting it on handhelds is very sensible, it's where the genre sells), I honestly don't know why all these companies are doing PSP/Vita games but don't release the games on the 3DS at the same time, where the fanbase they're targeting is present in high numbers... Monster Hunter being on there doesn't mean similar games won't sell. God Eater did really well on the PSP after all. (speaking of which, what the hell is happening with God Eater 2? I don't understand what's taking Namco so long with this one...)
Maybe because crossplay wouldn't work between 3DS and PSP/PSV. And I think GE2 will be playable at an event this weekend, now that MH4 has a release date they might announce something soon.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
:lol god eater, where the hell is it?
Magicpaint
Member
Still no release date for GE2.
Oh that's a pretty sensible reason actually, considering the games thrive on local multiplayer. Don't know why I didn't think of it.
Father_Brain
Banned
Konami sort of weighed in on the "bad port" thing:
I'm not sure how much he knows, but that doesn't sound like Konami has a lot of Wii U games coming.
At this point, I'm pretty sure they have no intent to support it at all.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Konami sort of weighed in on the "bad port" thing:
I'm not sure how much he knows, but that doesn't sound like Konami has a lot of Wii U games coming.
I'm seriously shocked at how bad the third party support for the WiiU is in Japan.
In case anyone was curious where Tales was heading:
It sounds like they won't be trying their current gen strategy again.
Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/04/tales-producer-no-plans-for-xbox-one-ps4-wii-u/Joystiq said:
It sounds like they won't be trying their current gen strategy again.
well since this gen they have jumped to every other console there was and PS3 ports always outsold them handily this would be a wise decision
and at this point PS3 and later PS4 seem like the only viable option at this point in time .
Wii U is a fish on dry land.
we can almost 100% say that X1 is definitely a no-no either at this point
and while highly succesfull i have my doubts about them releasing a original mothership title on a nintendo handheld again. ( a port .sure but no motherships. )
how well did tales of hearts do on the DS compared to the console titles ?
Magicpaint
Member
Hearts sold ~260k.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wonder what his justification for Tales of Vesperia was then.
Father_Brain
Banned
Pre-Xillia, I think calling it a strategy would have been too generous.
Bruno MB
Member
I'm not surprised that World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 is skipping 3DS. In fact, what truly surprised me was the release of World Soccer Winning Eleven 2013 after the previous release flopped so hard. So yes, 2013 edition sold considerably better, but that doesn't mean anything when the figures are so low. It couldn't even match the sales of Winning Eleven 3DSoccer during the same time frame (48.339 units sold in its first 3 weeks). And talking about this one, it end up selling 105.394 units, but according to Media Create there are still about 25.000 units out there from the first shipment.
[3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) {2011.02.26} - 24.556 / 105.394 (First shipment 133.000)
[3DS] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2012 (Konami) {2011.12.08} - 3.714 / 46.182
[3DS] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2013 (Konami) {2012.11.01} - 11.365 / 43.484
It's worth noting that after just two releases, Konami stopped producing more titles from this series on NDS. And they did considerably better than the 3DS ones.
World Soccer Winning Eleven DS was a success, great opening and no over-shipping issues. It would cross 200.000 units. And then, the sequel came and failed miserably. Since expectations were great, this time retailers ordered more units, around 136.000, the game barely sold 30.000 in its launch. That would be the last title for NDS.
[NDS] World Soccer Winning Eleven DS (Konami) {2006.11.02} - 89.275 / 226.387
[NDS] World Soccer Winning Eleven DS - Goal x Goal! (Konami) {2007.10.25} - 28.985 / 122.567 (First shipment 136.000)
Anyway, as people pointed out previously, the vast majority of World Soccer Winning Eleven sales come from Europe, so it would be a mistake to focus the analysis from a Japanese-centric perspective.
The best example of this is the Winning Eleven Playmaker series on Wii. Only the first entry managed to sell a respectably amount, yet Konami didn't stop releasing subsequent sequels. It's easy to figure out that those games did well enough in Europe to justify more entries, something that we probably can't say for NDS and 3DS ones.
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2008 (Konami) {2008.02.21} - 36.067 / 112.763
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2009 (Konami) {2009.05.14} - 14.232 / 45.028
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2010 (Konami) {2009.12.10} - 9.386 / 54.619
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2010: Aoki Samurai no Chousen (Konami) {2010.05.20} - 7.162 / 49.974
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2011 (Konami) {2010.11.18} - 8.105 / 72.928
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2012 (Konami) {2011.11.03} - 14.117 / 66.059
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2013 (Konami) {2012.11.01} - 8.148 / 28.815
World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 for PSP still makes sense, ultra cheap development and can still do decently well. It will probably be the last one.
With regard to the lack of a PS Vita and a Wii U version, the thing is self-explanatory.
[3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) {2011.02.26} - 24.556 / 105.394 (First shipment 133.000)
[3DS] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2012 (Konami) {2011.12.08} - 3.714 / 46.182
[3DS] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2013 (Konami) {2012.11.01} - 11.365 / 43.484
It's worth noting that after just two releases, Konami stopped producing more titles from this series on NDS. And they did considerably better than the 3DS ones.
World Soccer Winning Eleven DS was a success, great opening and no over-shipping issues. It would cross 200.000 units. And then, the sequel came and failed miserably. Since expectations were great, this time retailers ordered more units, around 136.000, the game barely sold 30.000 in its launch. That would be the last title for NDS.
[NDS] World Soccer Winning Eleven DS (Konami) {2006.11.02} - 89.275 / 226.387
[NDS] World Soccer Winning Eleven DS - Goal x Goal! (Konami) {2007.10.25} - 28.985 / 122.567 (First shipment 136.000)
Anyway, as people pointed out previously, the vast majority of World Soccer Winning Eleven sales come from Europe, so it would be a mistake to focus the analysis from a Japanese-centric perspective.
The best example of this is the Winning Eleven Playmaker series on Wii. Only the first entry managed to sell a respectably amount, yet Konami didn't stop releasing subsequent sequels. It's easy to figure out that those games did well enough in Europe to justify more entries, something that we probably can't say for NDS and 3DS ones.
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2008 (Konami) {2008.02.21} - 36.067 / 112.763
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2009 (Konami) {2009.05.14} - 14.232 / 45.028
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2010 (Konami) {2009.12.10} - 9.386 / 54.619
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2010: Aoki Samurai no Chousen (Konami) {2010.05.20} - 7.162 / 49.974
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2011 (Konami) {2010.11.18} - 8.105 / 72.928
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2012 (Konami) {2011.11.03} - 14.117 / 66.059
[WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2013 (Konami) {2012.11.01} - 8.148 / 28.815
World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 for PSP still makes sense, ultra cheap development and can still do decently well. It will probably be the last one.
With regard to the lack of a PS Vita and a Wii U version, the thing is self-explanatory.