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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Wrong.
FrankWza
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The silent viper alt tries typing in broken English sometimes and then forgets.
Kilau
Member
FTC hearing was another in a long line of wins for MS. They've got the U.S. side of this locked up.
Next, they tackle the CMA, Rogan style:
MS next move - use political and legal clout gained through FTC impending win to sway the CMA. CMA will resist but eventually call for a redo to their decision with something like "In revisiting or decision we were too hasty. MS has taken great strides to correct all of our inertial concerns. MS please proceed with our blessing."
But I posted nearly the same conclusion as you a week before the PI hearing.
Topher
Gold Member
FTC hearing was another in a long line of wins for MS. They've got the U.S. side of this locked up.
Next, they tackle the CMA, Rogan style:
MS next move - use political and legal clout gained through FTC impending win to sway the CMA. CMA will resist but eventually call for a redo to their decision with something like "In revisiting or decision we were too hasty. MS has taken great strides to correct all of our inertial concerns. MS please proceed with our blessing."
93xfan
Banned
It’s going to be beautiful watching your tears if this goes through.
If it doesn’t, oh well. But if it does, I look forward to the reactions from some of you crazy zealots.
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
We are talking about business and contracts that affect billion/trillion dollars companys... so wording is of essencialMicrosoft CEO, and Phil's Boss, also gave a 100% commitment to the judge under oath.
Feb '09 2022. Call of Duty will continue releasing on playstation
CMA finds Microsoft wouldn’t pull ‘Call Of Duty’ from PlayStation
EU: Microsoft will not stop sales of Call of Duty on playstation
That's impressive to have so many inaccuracies distilled in a single post
MS lawyer asked if he was committed to keep COD been shipped to playstation and he said 100%.
Two things:
1) I dont know what the word committed means exactly in english because is not my main language... in my language the translation for committed means "ill do my best" wich is in no way a definitive answer
Ex .
"Im commited to buy a ferrari" tought Luck since I really cant because I cant afford one. So I can committ to anything I want since this word is not binding to anything
2) The question did not stipulated ANY timeframe, so if MS buys activion tomorrow and the next COD launchs on ps5 or even the next one launchs either he will have accomplished his commitment since he never stipulated a timeframe for what he said.
So all in all given the MS history with bethesda, emails exposing blatant lies and the minecraft contractual situation been exposed , that is right now, not one reason to believe COD will remain multiplat outside of words of corporate liars and the "financial reasons" bullshit argument
Varteras
Gold Member
Why? Those games will still be available to me. I don't lose anything.
Topher
Gold Member
Apparently we are supposed to have emotional feelings about this thing.
Varteras
Gold Member
Not sure how I feel about people like that projecting their own insecurities and emotional problems onto me.
Lunnarre
Neo Member
I'm guessing you've never played much CoD multiplayer.
Kilau
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Ok, but I just checked and the reports are that 70% of the Arkane Austin left during development of Redfall.
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Varteras
Gold Member
Bold of you to assume they even really play games at all.
93xfan
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Cute. Let’s pretend numerous posters didn’t scream about the industry being ruined and throwing a fit.
DeepEnigma
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Topher
Gold Member
Who?
Lunnarre
Neo Member
That's a good point.
Varteras
Gold Member
I don't think it's good. It doesn't benefit me. That kind of consolidation is rarely ever to the benefit of the consumer. But I'm sorry to break your heart and tell you that the most you'll get from me is a head shake, then I'll go right back to actually playing games or being a normal person living my life who doesn't get as emotionally invested as you in stuff like this.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, my guy. 70% of the people who had worked on Prey had left.
I don't think we need to go on the dictionary definition of the word, both the CEO and Phil had sworn statements to the judge, Amy Hood (CFO) stated that they making CoD exclusive was not discussed with the board when finalizing the acquisition etc etc. There's way too many examples pointing to the contrary for us to still be holding onto the "but he didn't use a comma at the end of the sentence" kind of tinfoil.
As for your second point, both Phil and Satya have said future Call of Duty games on Playstation platforms.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Having debates that can get heated with other users is different than being emotionally invested in the outcome. At the end of the day, however it goes, it is what it is. Such is life.
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Topher
Gold Member
Having debates that can get heated with other users is different than being emotionally invested in the outcome. At the end of the say, however it goes, it is what it is. Such is life.
What's funny is this isn't the first time someone in favor of the acquisition has expressed a need for those opposed to be emotional about it if it goes through. What is up with that?
Bernardougf
Gold Member
No tinfoil here.. just holding liars accountable for their lies and not thrusting them ... but you can keep believing in vague words and PR commitments made by MS as usual .. is all you have really ..No, my guy. 70% of the people who had worked on Prey had left.
I don't think we need to go on the dictionary definition of the word, both the CEO and Phil had sworn statements to the judge, Amy Hood (CFO) stated that they making CoD exclusive was not discussed with the board when finalizing the acquisition etc etc. There's way too many examples pointing to the contrary for us to still be holding onto the "but he didn't use a comma at the end of the sentence" kind of tinfoil.
As for your second point, both Phil and Satya have said future Call of Duty games on Playstation platforms.
When you have some contractual binding evidence we can comeback to this subject.. I dont work with empty promisses made by previous liars
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DeepEnigma
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Varteras
Gold Member
It's a whole other level of pathetic, honestly. Hoping that someone gets emotionally hurt over video games. Dude even edited his post and called people zealots. Complete lack of self-awareness to tack onto the scummy mentality.
Topher
Gold Member
Exactly what I was thinking. Too much projection, not enough introspection.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
As a rule you should never thrust liars. But I digress, this is not vague, this is the opposite of vague. CMA/EC have also hand-waived the foreclosure argument saying that MS would not have any incentive to do so, so I guess they fell for it too.
They can't make any contracts until they own the IP and Jim would need to be willing for any kind of formal agreement. You don't have to work with them. That's fine.
FrankWza
Member
It's goliath being slingshot over and over by David for 20 years and then finally dodging one. It's a collective gotcha.
RickMasters
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Well…. That’s usually how it goes with an acquisition. Things get made exclusive. I think MS could have put a lot of GAF members out of their misery and this thread would only be 500 pages if they just said “ fuck it….. we bought this shit…. We are making all of it except the GAAS ( including COD) exclusive. We paid for it. End of discussion”. I wouldn’t let anybody guilt trip me over what to do with what I paid for with my companies money. But that’s me.
Consolidation is inevitable. Already happened in the music and movie industries and Sony was quite happy to take part in it in both of those industries becoming consolidated into three companies.
This is all just business. You may not like it ( especially as a non Xbox customer) but this is just how it goes, And how it’s going to go. Question is who grabs what. Who buys what. Not even whether any of us like it. Disney buying your every studio they can and as much as some people moan about it…. The world at large really does not give a shit about big corporations spending big money on other big corporations. They only care about what they are getting for their money and most are not loyal to one company. That’s a fanboy thing and I would bet the majority of console owners nowadays are not on forums picking sides and crying over who is buying ABK or any other company.
Im sure there will be another big acquisition for people to console fight over. Or something else to console fight over. Sometimes it’s not about the topic but the console fighting. Atleast that’s how it all looks. It’s entertaining to read it all though! Can’t believe this thing is at 1300 pages. I thought core gamers and forum types were too ‘ hip’ for call of duty but these 1300 and counting pages say otherwise.99% of us when this over.
People will find something else to draw their lines in the sand over, when this is all over with.
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Astray
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So why doesn't Phil Spencer just do that instead of the pitiful woe is me, case by case act etc?
Astray
Member
Also very strange to see people expecting others to like a company while also salivating over their meltdowns or tears or whatever. Very maladjusted behavior.
Just because you kissed the ring of the shittiest 1st party publisher out there doesn't mean that the rest of us should.
Just because you kissed the ring of the shittiest 1st party publisher out there doesn't mean that the rest of us should.
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RickMasters
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There will be more acquisitions…. Especially if MS shopping list of devs is anything to go by…. and I’m sure those threads will be a bundle of laughs too.Thanks God that once MS finishes this acquisition, we will have a new thread for the next one. The entertainment is never ending.
But for a thread to beat this thread’s record….. MS will have to buy square or sega. Nothing else will move the earth like this ABK acquisition. But then again they will never have to spend this kind of money on any other pub or dev. Crazy to think we thought 3Bn was insane for Minecraft….. then 7Bn for zenimax- Bethesda…. Now 70Bn….. going back and buying studios for 100M+ Or less will seem like pennies in the pocket for them.
Let’s just hope they can manage all these studios and publishers.
Personally I’d still like to see that sega acquisition happen. If I was in their shoes I would buy sega and brand the Xbox consoles as sega consoles in Japan. Merge their Japanese Xbox business with sega and let them run it in that region, given their experience had history. Let sega build those Japanese relationships with Xbox, as a console manufacturer ( sort of) once again. It would be a smart play to get better sales and a better reputation in the region.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Thanks God that once MS finishes this acquisition, we will have a new thread for the next one. The entertainment is never ending.
Hopefully, otherwise we are going to see another blip and people like you will just disappear into the ether.
Ass of Can Whooping
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DeepEnigma
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Great show though, I give him that. Too bad Fox screwed up the airing order and people were left dumbfouned instead of engaged.
The other 30% need to go as well
GHG
Member
Here's a summary of the 1318 pages so far:
- When things look positive for the deal - Xbox fans projecting, melting down, getting banned and utilising alts.
- When things are looking negative for the deal - Xbox fans projecting, melting down, getting banned and utilising alts (that is, if they are one of the lucky ones to not get decommissioned).
They don't show Xbox financials
But we do get tidbits. And I've also included that in my last thread. We now have undeniable information.
Phil Spencer also calls the Xbox business "Polaroid" (as in obsolete). He also said our core business is not what people wants. And he suggested shutting down Xbox.
You don't suggest shutting down a business that is bringing in millions and billions in profits.
Number 1. Revenue isn’t profit.
Number2. Nothing you posted shows them losing money because they aren’t.
Number 3. Revenues have gone up recently. Not down.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
I laughed at ‘Eu MAn sAiD MY PLAYSTATION!’
So I’ll sure as shit laugh at this crap.
If this goes in Microsoft’s favour, it’s because the US Legal system is stacked in their favour.
Peddling this just takes away from actual discussion.
(I appreciate you are saying you also think it’s tenuous so that’s not a dig at you).
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gothmog
Gold Member
You would think Microsoft would be the one wanting her recused. The appeal pretty much writes itself if she rules in favor of Microsoft.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Here is some insight as to why the FTC did not challenge and almost never gets challenged in the legal system.
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
My country is as shitty as they come but even something like this would be a NO GO right from the start.. go figure
There's two scenarios if things are really they way Sony fans claim they are.
If they acquire Activision they will eventually make COD exclusive to hurt Sony.
Or if they don't acquire Activision they will use the cash to buy many other devs. If the real goal is to hurt Sony, they won't stop simply because of COD. Why would they.
There's probably a good argument for using that cash for other more well rounded purchases anyway.
I personally feel they were buying it as revenue stream mainly. The money COD makes could never ever be recuperated by going exclusive. Diablo might be another story but its minor so really cares.
gothmog
Gold Member
The Sega acquisition and rebrand would have been a good move worldwide once they realized the XBO failed. Post Zenimax not so much as the are trying to triple down on Xbox as a brand.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Please read the first line. They don't show financials and hide Xbox P&L. So we do not know for sure if they make or lose money.
Having said that, there are hints that the health of the financial division isn't good. We have:
- Revenue that missed internal targets,
- Explicit confirmation by Phil Spencer that the business is not going strong
- The revelation that Phil Spencer suggested shutting down the Xbox business
Besides, we can also come to the conclusion that Xbox is not a profitable business if we use common sense and compare its revenue and projected operating expenses with that of PlayStation.
Last year, PlayStation generated a revenue of $26.9 billion. Their operating profit, however, was only
Xbox is now bigger than PlayStation and has more games in development. It's safe to assume that Xbox's operating expenses will also be at least $25 billion, the same as PlayStation's, if not bigger. However, their revenue is $17 billion. It's common sense that the Xbox division is not profitable.
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Nydius
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She disclosed this information at the start of the trial and the FTC took no issue with it, so they can’t turn around and use it as a basis for appeal later. Because the FTC didn’t care, Microsoft didn’t need to object either. If I recall correctly, the FTC practically hand-picked her for this case.
Her son working at Microsoft will be a nothingburger no matter how the ruling comes down.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
It's absolutely nothing. MS is huge. The son has no skin in this game at all apart from the fluctuation in stock price that is not impacted much as all by Xbox.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is false information.
silent head
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