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Missouri GOP passes bill banning cities from raising their minimum wage
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I thought you were being facetious but it seems other people think are you being serious?
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
DontBeThatGuy
Member
He's not serious.
mashoutposse
Ante Up
The principle of supply and demand applies to labor. Raising the minimum wage literally forces businesses to pay people more than their skills are worth. Past a certain level, it's political gimmickry and counterproductive.
Businesses don't simply absorb the cost with no downstream effects. Taxpayers end up paying for it one way or another.
-Businesses hire less/replace workers with technology. Young people starting out are especially hurt by this.
-Businesses increase the cost of their goods/services to compensate.
-Businesses maintain end user pricing and report lower profits, directly harming tax revenue.
-Businesses close/relocate due to insufficient return on the capital. Complete loss of jobs and tax revenue.
You can probably make a million dollars fast by building a touchscreen POS (point of sale) for fast food drivethrus that allows you to order and swipe your credit card from your car and licensing the system for $1500/month per location. No health care to provide, no payroll taxes to pay, never late to work, no turnover/training, no loss prevention issues, can get rid of at least one human employee. That's an easy sell that gets easier as the minimum wage goes up.
Businesses don't simply absorb the cost with no downstream effects. Taxpayers end up paying for it one way or another.
-Businesses hire less/replace workers with technology. Young people starting out are especially hurt by this.
-Businesses increase the cost of their goods/services to compensate.
-Businesses maintain end user pricing and report lower profits, directly harming tax revenue.
-Businesses close/relocate due to insufficient return on the capital. Complete loss of jobs and tax revenue.
You can probably make a million dollars fast by building a touchscreen POS (point of sale) for fast food drivethrus that allows you to order and swipe your credit card from your car and licensing the system for $1500/month per location. No health care to provide, no payroll taxes to pay, never late to work, no turnover/training, no loss prevention issues, can get rid of at least one human employee. That's an easy sell that gets easier as the minimum wage goes up.
As long as it hurts black people more than white people, and is suggested by a party that promises to save the babies, then those poor Republicans will let them do anything they want.
Escape Goat
Member
I like my government small but not too small.
Zelenogorsk
Banned
My thoughts exactly.
excelsiorlef
Member
Your other daily reminder that Republicans are bad people.
Well raising minimum wage won't really slow down tech replacing people. It's merely a bandaid to the future where there will most definitely not be enough jobs for people.
But let's focus on getting those coal jobs back and let's make sure that we let companies keep exploiting the labor they have before the robots take those jobs.
I've heard arguments like that in real life. Usually from people who aren't on minimum wage.
TetraGenesis
Member
GOOD.
The closer we get to automation and basic income, the better.
Humans shouldn't have to waste their life doing shitty work.
But until that time, people are dying. People are starving. People are living on the streets. And those same mother fuckers making sure this happens to these people are the ones making sure they're downtrodden, oppressed, and unable to access the same education and privileges of others. Therefore they never escape.
Fuck. These. Evil. Mother. Fuckers.
Don't you dare defend them.
Nikodemos
Member
This measure is also intended to stop Repub voter drain. When wages are substantially higher in cities, many small towns experience people drain. When people move to larger cities, their views slowly start skewing less conservative. These two combined cause Repub votes to go down. By keeping the minimum wage low, they pad their votes in the next elections.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Somebody actually said this to me the other day. I can't believe there are people out there who are so... I don't even know the how to describe it... Jealous of their social status? That they can't think of how wages affect others, and only want to make sure that they're making more than someone else. As if a mom with four kids and no partner doesn't deserve to support her self and her children because she can't find a better job.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yup.
I'm sure a lot are plain ignorant, but there are those that just want the poor to die.
PataHikari
Banned
If a person can't make enough money off a job to survive off it than the job shouldn't exist. It's not worth doing and is a waste of everyone''s time.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Would just like to add that my state has like ten black people and the state legislature still passes ghoulish shit like this all the time, including this specific kind of legislation.
GOP just hates everyone.
Also they fucking made it illegal to tax plastic bags when my municipality was looking into the idea, which is like top tier pettiness.
GOP just hates everyone.
Also they fucking made it illegal to tax plastic bags when my municipality was looking into the idea, which is like top tier pettiness.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Local control of schools so Jim Bob can get "both sides" of the evolution "debate" taught to Little Sally, state control of what local governments can do to meet the needs of their citizens.
Fuck this party.
Fuck this party.
Muppet of a Man
Member
No, that's when they sic the police on them and throw them in jail or maim and murder them.
It all goes hand-in-hand for GOP...just another virtual genocide.
Kremzeek
Member
Yeah that's kind of my feeling too.
If a job doesn't pay enough for someone to even afford the basics then what is the fucking point.
This law is so evil, anti-human and anti-Christian.
Heh. "I'm sick of the government telling me what to do (but I'm fine with it telling other people what I want them to do)."
I wasn't a huge fan of the nation-wide minimum wage increases precisely because I like cities/states doing it themselves. Like, its more expensive to live in cities. Also, how the fuck can we not just pass something that ties the minimum wage to inflation at least at this point? Oh yeah, our country is run by fuckwits who live in shitsville towns because we gave them all extra votes since we were so concerned they might not have enough influence without it.
Vicetrailia
Member
Businesses collude on wages.
Businesses are always increasing their costs with inflation as a baseline. Not because of wages, but because that and a variety of factors including wages.
Automation has reduced labor costs, supply costs, and reduces the impact of reshoring. Wages can't fuck with automation. We can't fuck with other geographies.
As you can see it's not just supply and demand, a lot factors into it.
The outstanding hypocrisy of it all is what really makes me furious.
Only possible if you live with someone and even then, its still not a great living wage.
This is why I disagree with anyone saying "it needs to be local" over a federal minimum wage increase to $12. The places that are used to $7.25 will just have to eat it and adapt (rural life is dying anyways), majority of people in this country live in urban areas anyways and that is where economical growth is growing and they adapt to technological changes.
The minimum wage needs to be increased federally because there are many pockets of Republicans in red states, blocking cities from increasing their own minimum wage to a living standard.
PataHikari
Banned
Also I'd like to point out that there is in fact touchscreen POS's in every fast food restaurant right now.
It's called the cash register and people are paid to learn how to use it quickly because if they relied on the customers themselves to do their orders service would slow to a crawl and business would implode.
It's called the cash register and people are paid to learn how to use it quickly because if they relied on the customers themselves to do their orders service would slow to a crawl and business would implode.