kyliethicc
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Well I played slow, on hard, and got the platinum trophy, 100%'d it. The main story is probably ~ 40 hours if you just want to finish it. Maybe less on easy/normal difficulties.
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Well I played slow, on hard, and got the platinum trophy, 100%'d it. The main story is probably ~ 40 hours if you just want to finish it. Maybe less on easy/normal difficulties.
kyliethicc
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Yeah I agree. When I was sayin fast nand, I was really just thinking about both consoles using fast flash. It would seem Sony could afford to use relatively slower nand given they have 3x more channels.
Red_Driver85
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You should know that's not what I'm talking about.
Elysion
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Regarding the price for PS5 and XSX, I think it would be useful to look at the pricing strategies we've seen this gen. The PS4 for example launched at 399 and stayed there for quite some time. If the PS5 or XSX were to launch at 599, there's no way they can maintain such a price for long. They might sell out at launch, but sales would plummet very quickly afterward. They would have to drop the price pretty quickly, since 599 simply isn't a mass market price in the long term. I think to a lesser extent this is also true for a price of 499. If they launch at 399 they would lose money on their hardware at first, but it's a price they can maintain for years.
I think they either eat the cost and launch at 399, or they start with 499 or higher, but will cut the price within the first year.
I think they either eat the cost and launch at 399, or they start with 499 or higher, but will cut the price within the first year.
leizzra
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I have a similar feeling. Demon's Souls gameplay wasn't shown but it's not entarly a new game. I asume that the heaviest works are needed for visuals.
As much as I'd like to have all those titles released at launch Sony will probably try to spread them through coming months. Will see.
Wraith Phantom
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Its taken you 4 months to finally realise that PS5 SSD > XSX SSD. Even after Cerny GDC speech. Forget us in here. Even after Tim Sweeney told you. You actual believed in Xbox PR fluff. Just wow. Marketing really works on easy marks eh. You really eat up marketing got damn.
4 months. Never go full console war retard! Listen to the devs ,architects & Tim Sweeneys of the gaming world. Meh at least you made it & your up to date with the rest of us now.
This is just embarrassing. What happened to the green?? They are copying so hard they even forgot their brand colours & went with blue. SMH!! I ain't a product manager ,but I have been on product shoots & edits. But got damn this sloppy work.How do you forget your brands own colours. That's like Nike forgetting to add the swoosh.
Xbox have spent the whole gen copying PS UI. That copying is the very reason why PS are making a new UI. Xbox really trying hard to play the me too card. "We are just like them" You can see why PS are going heavy on "NEW". They do not want to be lumped in with other brands. They are really pushing for PS to stand out as a different product.
Easy money bet. Once the PS5 UI gets showcased .Maybe a glimpse at games con. Xbox will drop an article saying they will upgrade their UI again. The Metro Ui was'nt even bad!!! I thought it was cool with block shape sizing thing going on.
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cudiye
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hopefully an indication of UI, PRICE, confirmed launch titles and or Teardown comin real soon idk
Snowdonhoffen
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Could this mean we'll get some news today? I really hope so
EDIT: The video is now private! hmmm
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JonnyMP3
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Well... That was over quick.
THE:MILKMAN
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A lot of this I have argued over the last year or so and I agree. On top of all this we have the fact that both consoles also seem to be employing to a small or large extent automated construction which would not only massively reduce the 'battery farm' production lines and improve efficiency but also save a lot of money.
I also like to go back to earlier comments from the execs. Phil Spencer back at E3 2019 said about Scarlett price was very important, that they had a design price point in mind and that they believed they would hit it. Given their last two consoles came in at $499 it seems pretty obvious what that goal would be. From that we can logically conclude Lockhart should be $299.
The big question for me now, given the standoff on announcing price, is are Microsoft prepared to go even lower than $499 if they have to?
avenovah
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Snowdonhoffen
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That's what I think, maybe something on the PS Blog
zaitsu
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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Now its CorrectThank you for you're Attention.
This image is gibberish and doesn’t represent any kind of storage pipeline.
On PS5 (if Sony’s patent is correct) the application requests data on the CPU which performs a hash lookup to get the direct LBA address of the data. That gets handed off to a sub-CPU not shown in this image, the DMA controller reserves RAM for the incoming data, the sub-CPU talks to the flash controller over 4x lanes of PCIe4.0 which uses stores a patented compressed LBA-PHY table in its SRAM. The controller gets the data from the physical addresses on the NAND chips, and does a simple data integrity parity check in the same SRAM before streaming that data out over the same PCIe link to the main SoC and directly into RAM. Once there the sub-CPU directs various other bits of hardware like the decompressor (which uses a separate larger pool of SRAM) and the IO Coprocessors that perform decryption and other check-in (offloaded from the CPU) into a new area of RAM ready for the application to use, at which point the sub-CPU informs the CPU/application the data is there.
EDIT: Looking at your image again it could be that all you’re trying to say is that the PS5 CPU offloads check-in, and the exact ordering doesn’t matter or isn’t represented?
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MastaKiiLA
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Are you implying that decompression takes the archive from RAM, and then decompresses the expanded file back into RAM? Because that would seem very inefficient. I assumed decompressed files can be read from the onboard cached by the GPU or CPU. Sending it off-chip just to be fed back on-chip would introduce lots of latency into the process of reading compressed data off the SSD. 4 total trips over the CPU<->RAM bus.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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It’s how the Sony storage patent describes it. But you’re missing the point: with PS5 the CPU isn’t involved, neither are its caches. The inefficiency is handed off to dedicated hardware accelerators.
It’s a straight dump from FLASH->RAM then the IO Complex decompresses and checks it in to application space RAM.
That doesn’t necessarily mean the entire file is resident in RAM before the IO Complex starts work, though.
Handy Fake
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Awww,
Gamernyc78
copped himself a perm.
Pity, nice bloke. Obviously you can't carry the banter on this thread into other threads, I think he's tripped himself up.
Gamernyc78
copped himself a perm.Pity, nice bloke. Obviously you can't carry the banter on this thread into other threads, I think he's tripped himself up.
Mr. PlayStation
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That PS5 ad was lit, wish it was a little longer.
It's SSD->RAM DMA and then RAM->RAM copy for decomp
So let's see what else do we still have to learn about the PS5...
- release date
- prices
- launch day and launch window lineup
- details on services (PS+, PS Now) for next gen
- more details on BC (specifics on enhanced BC for PS4 games, how many titles have been tested for launch, whether the PS5's hardware BC abilities will just let all PS4 games run by default even if they're not tested, if there's any BC for older consoles like the PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP and PSV...)
- wtf all these major third party deals Sony's been signing are for (or at least some of them if they're in the launch window)
- hardware teardown
- UI and system features
- more technical details on what the PS5 can do and what else was customized for it
-PSN 2.0? I remember people talking about it long ago, but haven't seen it discussed for a loooooooooong time. No idea if a major revamp to PSN is due or not.
What else? With that list alone and the fact that we're ~3 months from launch I have to imagine they're gonna open the floodgates within the next 2-3 weeks tops. As always I'm just hoping they give enough advance notice for the next event so I can make sure I'm off work that day.
Oh and why not I'll tack on my one in a million, never gonna happen wishful thinking point...
- When's Sony gonna reveal the existence of the PS5 Pro that's 72 CU's in a butterfly config with a 1.65 TB SSD, and 24 GB of RAM?
More expanded versions of one or two of your bullet points, but..
- What are the new features of the CREATE button, how does it differ or expand upon from the simple SHARE button.
- What was that SharePlay 2.0 thing about sharing/curating a playlist of playable/interactive vertical slice from a game (playlist of a game's boss run to challenge your mates for example?)
- PS5-VR? is the breakout box contained in the headset or in the PS5 itself as was rumored? Is it wireless? What about that handle with individual finger buttons, or the patent for finger tracking gloves?
- Sony policy on Cross Play (is it standard now or just for select mega-hit games).
- Does Cross Buy return? Haven't really seen much about it since early PS4/PS3/VITA days
- PS5 Pro controller? Back button attachment or swapping touchpad for touchscreen like the patent?
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TrippleA345
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The picture is only a rough illustration. I mean, in layman's terms, I think its a good Picture to make it clear that the CPU is not involved and what are the differences to the XBOX. And the path through the system might not be quite correct, but I think it's fine for illustration. I haven't read the patent, by the way. But as you say, the important property is that they have deticated hardware for the entire path.
Moridianae
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Most folks seem to think Sony has something planned. I doubt they'd let a focus on Gamescom slip by without speaking of their own accord.
I think we'll get another game showcase with several surprises next week, replete with some of the exclusivity bombs and more vague confirmations of what may be launch titles(Holiday 2020 or Launch 2020) with a look ahead to 2021.
I'd still bet the elusive price and date will be held back once again until September, probably just before or shortly after Microsoft goes for their second chance(since they pushed stuff back after Infinite delay). They'll play cat and mouse until the very end.
My guess is pre-orders for both systems will open by Labor Day weekend.
I think we'll get another game showcase with several surprises next week, replete with some of the exclusivity bombs and more vague confirmations of what may be launch titles(Holiday 2020 or Launch 2020) with a look ahead to 2021.
I'd still bet the elusive price and date will be held back once again until September, probably just before or shortly after Microsoft goes for their second chance(since they pushed stuff back after Infinite delay). They'll play cat and mouse until the very end.
My guess is pre-orders for both systems will open by Labor Day weekend.
BlueXImpulse
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Awww,
Pity, nice bloke. Obviously you can't carry the banter on this thread into other threads, I think he's tripped himself up.
What did he do
Handy Fake
Member
Multiple posts seemingly, plenty of warnings. He was a cheeky bugger but he wasn't malicious.
Although I can't really pass comment as I don't know the scope of the warnings so...
BadBreathOfTheWild
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“Markitect Cerny” said:
Bolded the bits that suggest what I said. PS5 doesn’t do away with check-in, it just hardware offloads and accelerates it so the CPU and its caches aren’t aware, used or needed. The CPU doesn’t become a bottleneck to check-in, and check-in doesn’t degrade CPU performance in turn.
Also note the two mentions of SRAM, the one referred to as “the SRAM” with a number is the one on the flash controller. The one referred to as “a built-in SRAM” without a number is what I believe to be the “large pool” of SRAM in the IO Complex and is used so that the various check-in accelerators can work in big chunks to speed things up. It’s basically a large working cache.
Lastly: so much is made about 2.4GB/s vs 5.5GB/s raw sequential read speeds. That is such a tiny part of what PS5’s IO is. That can be had with NAND and a basic controller alone.
Sony has invested massively in extremely low latency IO that prioritises random read performance and access speed.
Compared to PC alone it’s like comparing a Ford Focus that tops out at 120MPH versus an Ariel Atom that tops out at 130MPH and saying the Atom is only slightly faster, completely ignoring how fast either accelerates or can change direction.
PS5 getting praised for its “SSD” instead of its entire storage architecture is so misleading, and it’s no wonder the PCMR thought it was nothing that special.
PS5 should have called it Titslapping Architecture or some other fast sounding buzzword that merely included the fast SSD and controller as one corner of it.
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Wraith Phantom
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Awww,
Pity, nice bloke. Obviously you can't carry the banter on this thread into other threads, I think he's tripped himself up.
TrippleA345
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Cool, very nice when people have a clue. So you can complement each other
Because the research is always so exhausting
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ArcaneNLSC
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TrippleA345
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Both videos don't work
The second one still works for me.
ArcaneNLSC
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I get the following error: Playback ID: haOzxoEuXXOaEOPR
FeiRR
Banned
You're probably region locked.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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INFORMATION PROCESSING DEVICE, ACCESS CONTROLLER, INFORMATION PROCESSING METHOD, AND COMPUTER PROGRAM - Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc.
<div p-id="p-0001">Disclosed herein is an information processing device including a host unit adapted to request data access by specifying a logical address of a secondary storage device, and a contro
www.freepatentsonline.com
Take your time with it and have the included figures open in a separate tab/screen to refer back to and it’s not that bad of a read. But patents are difficult to read even if in your native language!
If you can wrap your head around it you could make a cool diagram or animation of the flow of logic and of the data.
ArcaneNLSC
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FeiRR
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Geez, the hardware reveal trailer is at 30 million and SM:MM trailer at 14 million. In-sa-ne.
TrippleA345
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INFORMATION PROCESSING DEVICE, ACCESS CONTROLLER, INFORMATION PROCESSING METHOD, AND COMPUTER PROGRAM - Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc.
<div p-id="p-0001">Disclosed herein is an information processing device including a host unit adapted to request data access by specifying a logical address of a secondary storage device, and a contro
Take your time with it and have the included figures open in a separate tab/screen to refer back to and it’s not that bad of a read. But patents are difficult to read even if in your native language!
If you can wrap your head around it you could make a cool diagram or animation of the flow of logic and of the data.
Who always finds all these patents? Worse and faster than the NSA ever allows.
Sw0pDiller
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It's the difference between marketing team Ms and sony. Ms follows all the (mis)steps sony makes and comments through Twitter in a very pity manner. Americans tend to love it. Sony has its own timetable and has the luxury to lead instead of following.
JerryinSoCal
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Awww,
Pity, nice bloke. Obviously you can't carry the banter on this thread into other threads, I think he's tripped himself up.
He seemed like a fun guy, I hope that ban is reconsidered.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
the thirst is real for PS5 I guess after basically leading the gen in hardware sales and top notch exclusive game of the year quality games earns those rights
Thirty7ven
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Social media doesn’t matter in 2020 breh, haven’t you heard?
- I think it was AUS & NZ that PSNow is supposed to expand-to soon, leaked thanks to advertisement panels on PSN.
- I was under the impression that PSNow worked on a load more devices at first, like tablets, Vita, phones, Bravia TVs, and they scaled it right back? I think it's only on PS4 and windows you can access PSNow on now. I could be getting this confused with PS4 PS4 Remote Play though.
- Is the azure server deal with MS about PSNow streaming, crossplay with Xbox or SharePlay-type interactions? Do we know any finer details at all?
THE:MILKMAN
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The only odd thing is the price. That usually gets announced at E3. Everything else is basically the same. I mean we've all known both will be November forever and there are only 4 Fridays in November it can possibly be and 3 if you exclude BF and if you further assume Microsoft and Sony don't release on the same Friday then that narrows release down to two dates.
Me? 6th Nov for Microsoft and 20th Nov Sony (NA/Japan) and 27th Nov EU/RoW if not the same day as NA/Japan.
mejin
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Awww,
Pity, nice bloke. Obviously you can't carry the banter on this thread into other threads, I think he's tripped himself up.
oh that's a really pity indeed.
You guys should be aware of weak baits coming from xbox troops.
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