TigerKnee
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NGL as a PlayStation gamer, I'm envious of the backward compatibility XBOX Series X offers
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You're trying too hard.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
I don't think anyone is saying BC is "essential"
There are definitely people saying BC is a waste of time.
My favourites are those who are worried about BC not being profitable for M$
TigerKnee
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My favourites are those who are worried about BC not being profitable for M$
After Game Pass, this generation has created a new species of trolls. The Concern Trolls...
Gamernyc78
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It was a fake page made by trolls tht was akready discussed and surmised.
OneShotThrill
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Hmmm let me guess....Xbox fanboys are gonna act like BC is best thing since sliced bread because MS has been fucking depressing this gen . Sony fanboys are gonna act like BC is super irrelevant even though it was a pretty constant feature up until Ps4 and they'll defend Sony to the death. The rest of us will just realize it's all personal preference. 
Die Namek Ability
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My honest opinion, who cares. I like that i can play PS4 BC just for the fact Sony supports its consoles up to the very end, so i will be able to enjoy GoT and TLOU2 if i upgrade or not. Also i can still clear my backlog while waiting between games for PS5. I feel that maintaining BC for every generation limits how innovative you can be moving forward. Seriously is anyone pissed that you cant slam NES cartridge into your switch? More power to those who wanna play old games but i will buy a PS5 for PS5 games. The same reason i will buy a XSX for XSX games.
ethomaz
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Flaming? The OP specifically asked what the opinion of PlayStaion gamers lol
A controller is essential to play the games... how is your suppose to play the games if the company don’t use money to create an input device? Sad comparison.
Now what BC add to the platform instead to play games you already played? If I did no play a game on PS4 I won’t play it on PS5.
Like I said BC is a waste of resources imo.
These weird Sony choices based in other side fans that having nothing to play so they praise BC is what keep the PlaySyation platform to evolve.
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ethomaz
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Remember PS2 and PS3? Full BC and in both cases nobody ever said it was important lol
Because you know it is not.
Roberts
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Fair enough. Change essential to awesome.
ethomaz
Banned
Actually since Sony announced BC for PS2.
To you understand how BC was "important" to Sony with an example you can remember more people got mad with Sony removing OtherOS from PS3 than BC
Even so OtherOS is a feature that only hardcore gamers push it and have little specific uses for gamers.
Both features were totally irrelevant to PS3.
IMO I prefer Sony using their money into new games instead BC.
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Roberts
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To you understand how BC was "important" to Sony with an example you can remember more people got mad with Sony removing OtherOS from PS3 than BC
Even so OtherOS is a feature that only hardcore gamers push it and have little specific uses for gamers.
Ha, I've had Ps3 and I have no clue what OtherOS is and to be honest I never used BC on it, because I sold my ps2 with all the games and simply didn't have any games to play through BC.
That said, I think I finally figured out why I greatly appreciate MS focusing on BC. It's not so much that I can play older games on my console, but because Xbox One X enhancements give old games a new life -
I rarely ever played BC titles that were not Xbox One X enhanced, because that would just transport me back a few years and nostalgia is not really my thing. I play (mostly games that I missed) them, because higher res make me feel like I'm playing a new game despite them having low res textures and what not. I don't spend too much of my gaming time on them (probably around 10-20%), but now that I have experienced it, I would probably be greatly disappointed if it was taken away from me. Does that make sense?
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ethomaz
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Yes. Makes perfect sense.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
The XsX BC feature seems to be pretty awesome. Can't wait to test it out. Still not quite sure how they can get games hardlocked at 30fps up to 60fps tho?
Let's see if Sony provides more details on their BC functionality next week
Let's see if Sony provides more details on their BC functionality next week
Krappadizzle
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I'll never understand why people will demand newer stronger hardware and then not care if they cut off a huge library for themselves because reasons. PC gaming has never had this issue and it's what makes PC gaming the best way to play it. Being able to go back and play ANY game I've ever bought on PC at ANY time I want and with the potential of it looking/running better because of my stronger hardware is the delightful. Xbox One X did it right, I LOVE the feature of that console and it's BC is a big reason why I even turn it on. PS4 only for exclusives, all other games on PC. Xbox One X and probably series X are a great compliment to my PC as I can then play in my office and then scoot over to the living room if I so choose. Everyone will care about BC. They just don't know it yet.
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Sony makes billions a year on digital sales so they can easily do both. Spend a little money to protect people's digital purchases. Unless Sony wants to refund people part of their digital purchase. This is the price of pushing digital stores. Sony can walk and chew buble gum at the same time. It's not like ND and GG are doing the BC and not making games. A small separate team is hardy an expense when your clearing billions a year in sales. Excuses excuses excusesActually since Sony announced BC for PS2.
To you understand how BC was "important" to Sony with an example you can remember more people got mad with Sony removing OtherOS from PS3 than BC
Even so OtherOS is a feature that only hardcore gamers push it and have little specific uses for gamers.
Both features were totally irrelevant to PS3.
IMO I prefer Sony using their money into new games instead BC.
ethomaz
Banned
Still money wasted in something not important for a console.
Think a bit about your Division has a target budget for the year of $10 billion... if you use $100m with a BC team in that year it is $100m not used for a new game for example.
MS only pushed BC so hard because they have no first-party games to release... if they give first-party games to their userbase then they won't even have time to talk about BC.
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kuncol02
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I remember. Especially broken graphics on PAL PS3 and fact, that they quickly cut BC to save money forcing me to keep my old PS2 (which I use also to play PSX games).
I also remember how Sony decided to not port PSX BC from PS3 to PS4.
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MarkMe2525
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A good game is a good game. I purchased sotn for the 3rd time the other day to play through it for like the 6th time. I will have more fun playing a well designed game then most of the money grab rush jobs we get today. I do realize this is a matter of opinion but I can find many reasons to look back and I often find myself doing just that.
ethomaz
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It is one of the best games I played in my life.
But that was in 1998? I guess... I want others games to play.
I don't revisit games I already played because it is boring the second time.
I tried to play FFVII on PS4 two years ago... I finished it a month ago because it was boring to play the same thing again.
I don't watch movies twice too... I know the story already... same for books.
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100 million a year lol you think Microsofts small BC team costs the same as a full 300 person team of artists programmers ect. Maybe 3-5 million a year and that is peanuts the cost of 1 show. One of the reasons Phil did BC it was cheap when the xbox one division budget was slashed left and right when it tanked from previous management and suits were ready to give up on the division. BC is peanuts compared to new games for these new consoles and hardly a challenge for ps4 and one support.
Dory16
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People's libraries are increasingly digital. Not having backwards compatibility is forcing those people to throw their games away (or abandon their rights to them) as they sell or archive the hardware.
BC is objectively a consumer NEED and the idea that "money is always better spent on newer games" is moronic. I discovered Red Dead Redemption 1 on Xbox One (enhanced for OneX) and it was one of my best experiences this gen.
Now for MS to even HDR up old games in addition to making them run at up to 120 fps is what I call going the extra mile for your customers.
BC is objectively a consumer NEED and the idea that "money is always better spent on newer games" is moronic. I discovered Red Dead Redemption 1 on Xbox One (enhanced for OneX) and it was one of my best experiences this gen.
Now for MS to even HDR up old games in addition to making them run at up to 120 fps is what I call going the extra mile for your customers.
hyperbertha
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Much rather they focus on a true next gen system than spent a single dime on BC. You have a moderately powerful pc so you can emulate all the games you want. That you can't be bothered to set it all up is just whining.
Endless Fluff
Banned
I'm really wondering about people who don't care about it... don't you play any game right now that you might have played for years and wouldn't mind keep on playing in the future with improved visuals and framerate?
Any GAAS like Path of Exile or Final Fantasy XIV, or any Co-op/MP game like Borderlands 3, Nioh 2, Destiny 2, Rainbow Six Siege... man the list is endless.
I mean, I can get behind not caring back in the day, as there were no games like World of Warcraft on consoles (except for FFXI on PS2), but nowadays you get games that can last a generation and keep you hooked even beyond... but maybe I'm just an outlier who can play some Multiplayer games for years, hence it always bothered me when I saw another PS360 remaster pop up early on in this generation.
You are full of shit and that borderline console warring is annoying as fuck.
Any GAAS like Path of Exile or Final Fantasy XIV, or any Co-op/MP game like Borderlands 3, Nioh 2, Destiny 2, Rainbow Six Siege... man the list is endless.
I mean, I can get behind not caring back in the day, as there were no games like World of Warcraft on consoles (except for FFXI on PS2), but nowadays you get games that can last a generation and keep you hooked even beyond... but maybe I'm just an outlier who can play some Multiplayer games for years, hence it always bothered me when I saw another PS360 remaster pop up early on in this generation.
"Oh, Microsoft does it better? Well I don't care about BC anyways, I don't even replay games because replaying is boring!! Just look at how I didn't finish FF7... so boring!"
"I'M BUYING REMASTERS TO REPLAY OLD GAMES DOZENS OF TIMES AND I'VE PLAYED FF7 AT LEAST FIVE TIMES!!!"
You are full of shit and that borderline console warring is annoying as fuck.
ethomaz
Banned
I play remasters that add trophies... just for trophies like you read (speed run)... and I finished it (Platinum trophy).
I don't play the same game again after I'm done with it... I do all my play-thought in the first time I played the game.
I played 5th time (?) FFVII being the 4 first at launch of Japanese and International version.... and now two years ago I played FFVII to get the trophies.
It is the same reason I played some PS2 to PS4 games but never played the PS1 and PS2 Classic on PS3.
I'm a trophy hunter if you didn't know about that.
The two comments are complementary. It just shows my stance on BC come from way before this gen.
PS. Actual games all have trophies so Remasters become useless too.... for example TLOU R is a game only for these that never played the original but not me.
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Moogle11
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A soft somewhat for me. It’s something I think should be a standard feature with how similar system architectures are relative to many past generational leaps.
But it’s not something I’d make much use of as I very rarely replay games so it’s not a big factor for me one way or the other. At most, when full BC is there it makes it easier for me to just sell off the old console and finish up any remaining games via BC in the new one. Beyond that, based on past experience I’d never use the BC.
But I get that many others do replay games and like to go back and play things they missed, so I do think it should be standard to have full BC for at least the prior generation.
But it’s not something I’d make much use of as I very rarely replay games so it’s not a big factor for me one way or the other. At most, when full BC is there it makes it easier for me to just sell off the old console and finish up any remaining games via BC in the new one. Beyond that, based on past experience I’d never use the BC.
But I get that many others do replay games and like to go back and play things they missed, so I do think it should be standard to have full BC for at least the prior generation.
Endless Fluff
Banned
It doesn't matter what you are, you say that you don't replay games and you don't rewatch movies because they're boring, while you boast in other threads about how you replay games DOZENS of times even before any trophies are being added.
You're lying. You like to play old games as much as anyone, but because BC is Microsoft's strongest point you downplay hard to make the BC feature seem insignificant to you.
ethomaz
Banned
It is true.
You need to read what I said.
I don't play the game I played... just like I don't watch movies I watched or read book I already read.
I do beat the game dozen of times when I play it.
That include how many playthought I did when I played the game (for example TLOU I beat it two times in a row but I will never play it again... FFVII is a weird case because at first I bought the Japanese version and the second of third disc were damaged so I bought the game again and had to play it again, after I played that Japanese version to get everything I missed - due played it I have in my mind even today all the kanjis used in the game for magic -, after I brought the english version and played it again... that was the only time I played FFVII until the PS4 version that I played just to get the trophies).
So I don't see any use of BC for me.
I play games again if they added Trophies... just to get the trophies (some games you don't need to even finish to get all trophies).
There is no lie in both comments you quoted... different subjects with the same reply.
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Endless Fluff
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ethomaz
Banned
Just facts.
But you jump conclusion calling people liars lol even when the two quotes complement each other.
Never changes.
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jimbojim
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I'm buying new console to play new games. Besides possibly HZD 2, new Bluepoint game other PS5 only games, surely won't any time extra to play old games
JTCx
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You sure you are not the one thats trying to convince yourself?
Aidah
Member
Personally, a new console doesn't make old games obsolete to me. Sometimes I go and play an old game I missed out on and it turns out to be more enjoyable than even most of the good new games. Backwards compatibility would be cool especially for a platform with such a vast and long legacy like Playstation. It would make those games more easily discoverable and accessible.
It's not a necessity or an essential feature (except for PS4 games), but I think it definitely would make the platform even better and more enjoyable.
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ManaByte
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I don't have to convince myself. I have 7TB filled with games from three console generations that I can play any time I want without having to hook up an older system or mess with PC emulators.
itsjustJEFF
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It's a nice to have. It's great that Xbox put in all the work to make BC a thing. It's taken a long time and a lot of work to get to where they are now. It will take awhile for PS to catch up, if they decide to go that route. I personally don't care if a platform decides to focus on BC, but don't let it affect new games. Don't take resources away from new games/studios to focus on BC. Honestly, the only times I've gone back to play "old" games is when I've been bored of all the new stuff or there's nothing new that interests me.
GametimeUK
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Yeah, that's a fair argument to make. Can't beat a game that just plugs in and works. I'd still argue it's fair to say generally speaking the PC still does a great job at running old games, but as you mention there are instances where your game becomes a brick and it is a shortcoming, but the amount of games you can play with new hardware and crank up the visuals and resolution outweighs the negative. That's just my take on it though.
Gravemind
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That's how you spot a true fanboy. Someone who tries that hard to spin a net positive like backwards compatibility into a negative. Just zero logic behind any of it.
Fucking embarassing is what it is.
93xfan
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i think they’re not seeing
Huh? They cannot put games on PSN that have licensing issues.
Are you suggesting they make it so people can just load bootleg games to an external hard drive? Or are you suggesting people will need the original disc?
captainraincoat
Banned
Great feature and I wish Sony offered the same level of care with pro patches and giving gamers something for free instead of Paid remasters
Hopefully we get some more news on this
Hopefully we get some more news on this
Ellery
Member
Being able to play PS4 games was a must. PS1-3 would've been awesome and I am a huge fan of Backwards Compatibility so what Phil Spencer is doing with Xbox is great and in that sense I would love for the PS5 to have the same level of Backwards Compatibility that the Xbox Series X has.
Sadly the games that are on Xbox are not that interesting for me personally and I couldn't really make use of it.
I can still hope that those games I would want to play on the PS5 with Backwards Compatibility will be available as digital titles or small remasters.
Honestly it is mostly the original Resident Evil 1,2,3 games, Metal Gear Solid games (4 especially given it is PS3 only), Silent Hill games and that is basically it.
I wouldn't mind paying $15 per title (of the games I mentioned above) for it on PSN if they were ever to offer it.
That being said good work is done by Phil Spencer and his team. Would Sony/Nintendo do the same if they were in the spot Xbox is in right now and Xbox was outselling those two by more than the factor of 2x? I don't know but would be interesting to see.
Sadly the games that are on Xbox are not that interesting for me personally and I couldn't really make use of it.
I can still hope that those games I would want to play on the PS5 with Backwards Compatibility will be available as digital titles or small remasters.
Honestly it is mostly the original Resident Evil 1,2,3 games, Metal Gear Solid games (4 especially given it is PS3 only), Silent Hill games and that is basically it.
I wouldn't mind paying $15 per title (of the games I mentioned above) for it on PSN if they were ever to offer it.
That being said good work is done by Phil Spencer and his team. Would Sony/Nintendo do the same if they were in the spot Xbox is in right now and Xbox was outselling those two by more than the factor of 2x? I don't know but would be interesting to see.
Ascend
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Backwards compatibility is essential for me...
Let me tell you my gaming background. My first real console was the Nintendo 64. I played that thing quite a lot. No I never owned a NES, SNES etc. The earliest gaming device I owned was the original Game Boy, and then the Game Gear.
I never owned a PS2 nor an Xbox Original, but I played both at friends. There was one particular game that I was interested in back in the PS2/Xbox era, because we had so much fun with friends beating each other up; Dead or Alive 3.
We loved DOA3 so much, that we all went to the only friend with an Xbox just to play that game. Obviously we'd get in some Halo and NFSU as well. Despite the clunky controllers, we'd be playing to Xbox more than the PS2. We had great fun. Other than that, I played everything on my crappy Packard Bell PC with a Pentium 4 and an MX440 (worst GPU ever).
Then came the next gen consoles. Because of DOA3, I was really looking forward to DOA4. Additionally, because of my crappy PC, I thought it was time to buy a console. Really, the only thing that made me buy the X360 over the PS3 was DOA4. I disliked having to pay to play online, I disliked the D-pad on the controller, I disliked the proprietary hard drive, I disliked having to buy a play&charge kit, I disliked the obvious RROD fiasco, but I went with it anyway. All my friends chose Xbox over Playstation too, so, yeah.
Because of my crappy PC, despite upgrading it a bit, I was drawn to play more and more on the X360. The console grew on me. There were some games on the Playstation I wanted to play, and that included some PS2 games. So I decided to buy an original fat PS3, which were the only ones that were BC with PS2 games natively... And then I experienced the interface and the online of the PS3, and, well, I sold it again after a not so long time. Not only was it an inferior experience, my friends were on the Xbox. I barely used it, so it was best to sell it. I kept gaming primarily on the X360 for years.
Forward another generation, and Xbox One made its blunder with Kinect, always online etc. I thought... Yeah... I'm not getting an Xbox. The PS4 was looking good, but, I was still enjoying my X360 and the free games I was getting with Xbox Live Gold... So, I didn't want to go pay for two online subscriptions, and I still saw the value in my X360. Didn't want to simply ditch it. So instead, I upgraded my PC again, reviving my PC gaming. I would boot up the X360 from time to time to play with friends. Obviously my X360 got an RROD in the earlier years and I got another one. To this day it works, but, it shuts down after 15 minutes or so due to it overheating. The same applies when the Xbox One came out... My friends all got an Xbox One, but I remained with my X360 that works for only 15 minutes.
My friends were constantly telling me that I need to buy an Xbox One to play with them... And I said nah, I'm doing fine with my PC again. I have a bunch of games on my X360, and I can't really play them because of my X360. I don't feel like buying another X360, and buying an Xbox One is not going to help me there... I cut a deal with them. If the Xbox One receives backwards compatibility, I would buy the console to play with them... And yeah, Xbox One actually got backwards compatibility. So, I ultimately had to buy an Xbox One.
I now can play many of my older X360 games on my Xbox One. Sadly, DOA3/4 is not one of them, and although the newer titles of DOA came out, we don't think they're as good as DOA3 and as fun as DOA4. So we stuck to playing Halo and FIFA on the Xbox One, mostly. Sometimes Gears, COD, and little fun games like the Doritos Crash Course game etc.
So I still have Xbox Live Gold, receiving my free games monthly, and even though I barely play with my friends anymore (we all got kids, except one), from time to time we jump on there, sometimes with old games. At all other times, I play on my PC. The Xbox has become a sort of pillar of our friendship, and even though we play less, revisiting the old games on the newer consoles is nice.
The ability to play other older games that I love, like Mass Effect, I can do all that on PC. To have the option to choose either of them is a bonus. But the main thing that BC of the Xbox offers me, is keeping in touch with friends, remembering old times, and at the same time have opportunities to experience new games together. And that's why to me, BC a must.
Let me tell you my gaming background. My first real console was the Nintendo 64. I played that thing quite a lot. No I never owned a NES, SNES etc. The earliest gaming device I owned was the original Game Boy, and then the Game Gear.
I never owned a PS2 nor an Xbox Original, but I played both at friends. There was one particular game that I was interested in back in the PS2/Xbox era, because we had so much fun with friends beating each other up; Dead or Alive 3.
We loved DOA3 so much, that we all went to the only friend with an Xbox just to play that game. Obviously we'd get in some Halo and NFSU as well. Despite the clunky controllers, we'd be playing to Xbox more than the PS2. We had great fun. Other than that, I played everything on my crappy Packard Bell PC with a Pentium 4 and an MX440 (worst GPU ever).
Then came the next gen consoles. Because of DOA3, I was really looking forward to DOA4. Additionally, because of my crappy PC, I thought it was time to buy a console. Really, the only thing that made me buy the X360 over the PS3 was DOA4. I disliked having to pay to play online, I disliked the D-pad on the controller, I disliked the proprietary hard drive, I disliked having to buy a play&charge kit, I disliked the obvious RROD fiasco, but I went with it anyway. All my friends chose Xbox over Playstation too, so, yeah.
Because of my crappy PC, despite upgrading it a bit, I was drawn to play more and more on the X360. The console grew on me. There were some games on the Playstation I wanted to play, and that included some PS2 games. So I decided to buy an original fat PS3, which were the only ones that were BC with PS2 games natively... And then I experienced the interface and the online of the PS3, and, well, I sold it again after a not so long time. Not only was it an inferior experience, my friends were on the Xbox. I barely used it, so it was best to sell it. I kept gaming primarily on the X360 for years.
Forward another generation, and Xbox One made its blunder with Kinect, always online etc. I thought... Yeah... I'm not getting an Xbox. The PS4 was looking good, but, I was still enjoying my X360 and the free games I was getting with Xbox Live Gold... So, I didn't want to go pay for two online subscriptions, and I still saw the value in my X360. Didn't want to simply ditch it. So instead, I upgraded my PC again, reviving my PC gaming. I would boot up the X360 from time to time to play with friends. Obviously my X360 got an RROD in the earlier years and I got another one. To this day it works, but, it shuts down after 15 minutes or so due to it overheating. The same applies when the Xbox One came out... My friends all got an Xbox One, but I remained with my X360 that works for only 15 minutes.
My friends were constantly telling me that I need to buy an Xbox One to play with them... And I said nah, I'm doing fine with my PC again. I have a bunch of games on my X360, and I can't really play them because of my X360. I don't feel like buying another X360, and buying an Xbox One is not going to help me there... I cut a deal with them. If the Xbox One receives backwards compatibility, I would buy the console to play with them... And yeah, Xbox One actually got backwards compatibility. So, I ultimately had to buy an Xbox One.
I now can play many of my older X360 games on my Xbox One. Sadly, DOA3/4 is not one of them, and although the newer titles of DOA came out, we don't think they're as good as DOA3 and as fun as DOA4. So we stuck to playing Halo and FIFA on the Xbox One, mostly. Sometimes Gears, COD, and little fun games like the Doritos Crash Course game etc.
So I still have Xbox Live Gold, receiving my free games monthly, and even though I barely play with my friends anymore (we all got kids, except one), from time to time we jump on there, sometimes with old games. At all other times, I play on my PC. The Xbox has become a sort of pillar of our friendship, and even though we play less, revisiting the old games on the newer consoles is nice.
The ability to play other older games that I love, like Mass Effect, I can do all that on PC. To have the option to choose either of them is a bonus. But the main thing that BC of the Xbox offers me, is keeping in touch with friends, remembering old times, and at the same time have opportunities to experience new games together. And that's why to me, BC a must.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
The disc, if you can get the licensing then go ahead and sell the game on PSN, if you can't get the licensing then the disc still works. Its the best case scenario.
GreatnessRD
Member
I love the convenience of backwards compatibility. I don't have to have 20 game systems setup at one time. Also, it was something I was used to until the PS4. I don't feel Sony would be wasting a ton of resources developing B/C for future consoles because the meat and potatoes of what they would like to be done will get done regardless. So I feel "wasting resources" is a weak argument. There is nothing wrong with having more options. You have some people who feel the share button was a waste of resources as they never personally use it. Does it make the games better to have it? Subjective, but the point is at least its an option. Just never understood why people don't like having more options. Even if you never use it, at least the option is there in case you had an itch and wanted to enjoy the convenience of it being there.
TacosNSalsa
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If I intend to purchase a console, BC will affect when I buy one not if I buy one . No BC, I'll buy one much later into its life cycle. Everytime I've gotten a console before its first full year on the market it ended up just sitting there most of the time .
93xfan
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Some people say the same about VR. Oh, wait, don’t forget how Sony spends all that time and money on remasters (that you have to pay for).
But I understand. You’ve got bigger issues such as Sony shutting down servers early and not inspiring a lot of confidence that all of this years purchases will even be playable on PS5.
nickname_esco
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If your envious of backwards compatibility wait til you hear about GamePass 
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