BuddyChrist83 said:
As for PSO, your character was tied to your Xbox Live account. Why? Because in Japan, PSO came with Xbox Live, therefore, everyone that had PSO had Xbox Live.
Yes, the fact that this carried over into the domestic version was irresponsible. It's not like it was that hard to get around though.
I never knew that PSO was the Japanese pack-in for XBL (though it makes sense now that you mention it). Definitely irresponsible, and I think the motives for not addressing it in the US release were a little questionable, too. I appreciate the info, though.
BuddyChrist83 said:
I can't believe I even bothered to answer you.
FWIW, I'm grateful you took the time to answer. In spite of that remark, you're certainly friendlier than some posters I've run into here.
Mrbob said:
You have too many ifs attached to your posts.
IF THIS. IF THAT.
And you have too many 'I don't give a shit about anyone who doesn't have Live's attached to yours. Not everyone
wants Live. Not everyone who wants Live can
get Live, if they can't get broadband in their area. According to you and half the other people in this thread, those people should just shut up and be satisfied with what they've got. Nice display of empathy there, chief--as long as
you're good to go, who the hell
cares about anyone else, right?
Mrbob said:
How exactly is adding more choices fixing a game to completion. The game is fully playable as it is. There aren't any game crashing bugs. But then again this has been mentioned about 20 times already in this thread but it flew over your head.
You said I could consider this a patch, but 'when it is stated that the 1.1 update is fixing the game to completion, that is a flat out incorrect statement.' I read that as saying that the 1.1 update was
supposed to be 'fixing the game to completion', which (inexplicably) meant that it shouldn't be treated as a patch. (You can probably understand why I was puzzled by that.
)
Mrbob said:
How about the 'We released a damn fine GOTY candidate game and decided to give the fans some extra perks in appreciation for buying our product' version. Again, this will show up on the OXM disc eventually and you know it.
I bought their product, too. So did a friend of mine, who lives where there's no broadband coverage. Guess we're not entitled to these 'perks'--our $50 isn't worth as much if we're not spending the extra money for Live
on top of buying the game, obviously. That perception's one of the things that's ticking me off in this thread--the whole 'if you don't have Live, for
any reason, then fuck you, you don't deserve anything' bit, which is what a lot of this boils down to. As far as it showing up on the OXM disc or a demo disc is concerned, if I
knew that for certain, none of this would be an issue.
And as for the rest of this:
Mrbob said:
First of all, I don't give a damn about PSO.
That's nice. I did. So did quite a few other people I know.
Mrbob said:
Secondly, how MS handles PSO has nothing to do with Ninja Gaiden.
It does when they handle both games in a way that forces you to subscribe to Live if you want full functionality and patches to the most recent version. Just like arranging for the release of two Unreal Tournament 2004 Onslaught maps exclusively for Windows XP users was a sleazy move to promote XP (the installer for the maps wouldn't run on non-XP systems, and the maps were tagged as part of the retail default map package, which caused compatibility problems between servers running the maps and players who didn't have them). In short, MS does some pretty crappy things when it comes to distributing content in order to try to lock people into using their products and services.
No, I
don't like the way they go about it. Other companies distribute content without the hamhanded 'service/OS-exclusive' tactics, and there's nothing forcing MS to handle things the way they do except straight-up greed. If you worship the ground Gates and Ballmer walk on and find any criticism of Microsoft's business strategies offensive, then you might as well just spare yourself future headaches and put me on your ignore list now.
Mrbob said:
Third, I highly doubt you'll find any arguments over MS handled PSO release.
No, those of us who were dissatisfied just went and bought the Gamecube version instead.
Mrbob said:
Finally, Ninja Gaiden was delayed for months on end to polish it up as much as possible so the whole "game is incomplete" doesn't fly.
As I said before, I misread your post. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Mrbob said:
You want to talk about incomplete games, talk about Thief 3 which just had a patch released so that your save file doesn't automatically reset your difficulty back to normal on every reload. Talk about Warlord Battlecry III which is still waiting for patch to play online and on LAN properly. Talk about Chaos Legion for the PC which needed brand new discs sent out just to make the games playable. Talk about Farcry which needed a patch to fix its broken save system. Those are true game fix patches. If anything, you would have to consider Ninja Gaiden 1.1 a balance patch.
Fair enough. My point was that it
is a patch nonetheless, and people in this thread were shouting down anyone who said so. Not only that, but it's the same sort of patch that PC owners can download for their games
for free, without having to subscribe to some publisher's exclusive portal service. That's what I think is tacky about the way this is being handled. (Personally, I think that the update should be included with the inevitable Platinum Hits rerelease, but the fact that MS didn't see fit to approve this with the Platinum Hits DOA3--IIRC, Tecmo originally had plans to do so, according to one of their reps, but this was shot down for reasons unknown--doesn't give me much hope for NG.) So yeah, that's where I'm coming from. By all means, feel free to bitch at me some more over it.
