Daxter Too
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Nerevar said:
I'm still waiting for my SOCOM2 downloadables.
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Ninja Gaiden 1.1?
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I'm still waiting for my SOCOM2 downloadables.
The Faceless Master
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that's not out yet?
SyNapSe said:
None of these issues stop PC developers from offering patches for their games directly through the web, without forcing users to subscribe to a separate service to download them. It can't be that difficult or costly for them, or they wouldn't bother making those free downloads available in the first place.
As far as PS2 games go, I'm waiting to see how companies handle the distribution of downloadable content now that the hard drive's out there. If Sony tries to find ways to nickel-and-dime consumers to death by setting themselves up as a middleman a la Microsoft (which I'm getting the impression they might), believe me, I'd fault them for it. Bad is bad, period, regardless of the company doing it.
Daxter Too
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The Faceless Master said:
Nope.
And Taellerin, do us all a favor and leave the thread.
Nerevar,
That's what I thought also, but Tellaerin said these kind of updates we're funded by publishers and occured on the DC?
Let's say Smaller Publisher X releases a new FPS with online play through Sony's Network (free currently). It is fairly popular and sells 500,000 copies.
At this point they would have two choices:
1. Create FPS-2.
Resulting Benefit: Financial Rewards
2. Spend money developing 3 new guns and 5 new multiplayer map. Purchase servers, and set website for downloading. Purchase large amount of broadband (t3?). Hire Help desk type employee's to answer support calls.
Resulting Benefit: Fan Loyalty? I guess.
Obviously, 95% of the time option 1 is going to be chosen. Your exception would be a few of the monsters such as EA. Who could afford to drop large cash on setting up their own network to provide content.
That's what I thought also, but Tellaerin said these kind of updates we're funded by publishers and occured on the DC?
Let's say Smaller Publisher X releases a new FPS with online play through Sony's Network (free currently). It is fairly popular and sells 500,000 copies.
At this point they would have two choices:
1. Create FPS-2.
Resulting Benefit: Financial Rewards
2. Spend money developing 3 new guns and 5 new multiplayer map. Purchase servers, and set website for downloading. Purchase large amount of broadband (t3?). Hire Help desk type employee's to answer support calls.
Resulting Benefit: Fan Loyalty? I guess.
Obviously, 95% of the time option 1 is going to be chosen. Your exception would be a few of the monsters such as EA. Who could afford to drop large cash on setting up their own network to provide content.
The Faceless Master
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it is difficult and costly, look at how some pc devs use stuff like fileplanet...Tellaerin said:
the catch is they pretty much always have to fix things on PC because of configurations that they had not anticipated, so it's a part of the game of publishing on PC...
KAOS said:
Congratulations! You've successfully pulled-off an amazing, totally-off-topic troll.
I give you a B-, except I know you're not doing so well in Ms. Ferguson's Algebra class, so I'll give you an A+ so you can graduate with honors in 2007. (Oh, and Julie totally told me she wanted to take you to the spring formal.. circle one: YES / NO)
Good luck!
cabel:
Just say Yes to XBL & DLC and just say NO to GC gimmicky GBA connectivity. Seriously is not that hard of thing to figure out.
As far as making an off topic troll...come on this is a positive Xbox thread...isn't that the norm.
Back on topic...
If there's one improvement I wish could be made with NG 1.1 is to do away with the necessity for respawning enemies. I didn't care too much for that in NG and I didn't like at all in Metro Prime. Actually that kinda killed MP for me that and the boring back tracking.
Oh well bring on the NG 1.1 DLC!
Just say Yes to XBL & DLC and just say NO to GC gimmicky GBA connectivity. Seriously is not that hard of thing to figure out.
As far as making an off topic troll...come on this is a positive Xbox thread...isn't that the norm.
Back on topic...
If there's one improvement I wish could be made with NG 1.1 is to do away with the necessity for respawning enemies. I didn't care too much for that in NG and I didn't like at all in Metro Prime. Actually that kinda killed MP for me that and the boring back tracking.
Oh well bring on the NG 1.1 DLC!
Jonnyboy117
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patch
Well, look at it this way. Without Xbox Live! there would not be a Ninja Gaiden 1.1.
Ninja Gaiden 1.1 does not only offer some addtions for Ninja Gaiden fans, but it is also the basis for round two of the master ninja tournament. You know, the tournament that has been advertised as being Xbox Live! compatible.
But now Team Ninja is taking it a step further and not actually requiring you to be in the tournament to get access to these additions.
So basically we have some extra content added to the game, plus Team Ninja decided to address the most glaring flaw that some people have with the game (Camera). Without Xbox Live! we would be waiting until Ninja Gaiden 2 for additional content and game addressment. Or perhaps Ninja Gaiden Hyper Championship Edition which we could buy for the low low price of 30-40 bucks.
Ninja Gaiden 1.1 does not only offer some addtions for Ninja Gaiden fans, but it is also the basis for round two of the master ninja tournament. You know, the tournament that has been advertised as being Xbox Live! compatible.
But now Team Ninja is taking it a step further and not actually requiring you to be in the tournament to get access to these additions.So basically we have some extra content added to the game, plus Team Ninja decided to address the most glaring flaw that some people have with the game (Camera). Without Xbox Live! we would be waiting until Ninja Gaiden 2 for additional content and game addressment. Or perhaps Ninja Gaiden Hyper Championship Edition which we could buy for the low low price of 30-40 bucks.
CrimsonSkies
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Upgraded game like this = a good thing.
How anyone can claim otherwise screams fanboyism.
How anyone can claim otherwise screams fanboyism.
Hellraizah
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But but....... the game was released as an incomplete version. And Milkman is the devil.CrimsonSkies said:
Demigod Mac
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While Demigod Mac is looking forward to this update to Ninja Gaiden, it is undeniable that Microsoft went back on their word to not release patches.
WHOAguitarninja
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People seem to forget that Xbox live is not just downloadable content. When you pay for xbox live, you pay for the service. It's an all games integrated approach to building an online community, with functional chat, voice communication, messaging, buddy lists....etc. All this requires server space and maintanence costs for MS. You are paying them for use of that service. Also, it provides a very convenient way of distributing content. I don't get where people get the idea that you pay 50 bucks a year for downloadable content. I see that as more of a fringe benefit due to convenience.
Also, it's worth mentioning, that all of the files however, ARE hosted on MS's servers, as the xbox has no other means of connecting to the internet to seek out places to download files. The bulk of the downloads of patches and such are done from fan sites and download sites, not specifically from one publishers web space, so MS is shouldering a far greater load from downloads due to that fact alone. That alone would justify there actually being a fee, as far as I'm concerned.
And just because I know someone is going to say "well would you prefer such a service for pc games where you have to pay a fee?", I'd say no, because pc's can actively search for virusses within a file that could be covertly spread by less than wholesome websites. Such a case isn't a problem with xbox live because ms has control over the content. Now JUST IN CASE somebody says "well you could have virus checking software on xbox", you'd need to have it updated, in which case...somebody would be PATCHING the software to check viruses, and if there are continual updates to the software in the form of PATCHES, somebody would have to be paid for it, and we're back to square one on monthly/yearly fees.
So stop bitching, people, jeez.
Also, it's worth mentioning, that all of the files however, ARE hosted on MS's servers, as the xbox has no other means of connecting to the internet to seek out places to download files. The bulk of the downloads of patches and such are done from fan sites and download sites, not specifically from one publishers web space, so MS is shouldering a far greater load from downloads due to that fact alone. That alone would justify there actually being a fee, as far as I'm concerned.
And just because I know someone is going to say "well would you prefer such a service for pc games where you have to pay a fee?", I'd say no, because pc's can actively search for virusses within a file that could be covertly spread by less than wholesome websites. Such a case isn't a problem with xbox live because ms has control over the content. Now JUST IN CASE somebody says "well you could have virus checking software on xbox", you'd need to have it updated, in which case...somebody would be PATCHING the software to check viruses, and if there are continual updates to the software in the form of PATCHES, somebody would have to be paid for it, and we're back to square one on monthly/yearly fees.
So stop bitching, people, jeez.
MightyHedgehog
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Demigod Mac said:
Yes, because MS is making this 'patch'... :rolleyes
Oh well, you can't win with cool stuff and MS, I guess. It always turns into, 'MS is lyin' cheatin' bastages!!1'
Okay, everyone who has Ninja Gaiden can easily get this patch. READ MOTHERFUCKERS!
1. People who have XBL and Ninja Gaiden = Download it
2. People who don't have XBL, but have Ninja Gaiden = Use a 2 month card, cost to you = $0
3. People who don't ahve XBL because they're on Dial up = Get an issue of OXM (very very likely it will be on the disc), cost to you = $8 or so, and you get a free magazine, other demos, and other download content.
4. Whiny bitches who don't even have an Xbox and came in here to be trolling little cunts = Go fuck yourselves.
1. People who have XBL and Ninja Gaiden = Download it
2. People who don't have XBL, but have Ninja Gaiden = Use a 2 month card, cost to you = $0
3. People who don't ahve XBL because they're on Dial up = Get an issue of OXM (very very likely it will be on the disc), cost to you = $8 or so, and you get a free magazine, other demos, and other download content.
4. Whiny bitches who don't even have an Xbox and came in here to be trolling little cunts = Go fuck yourselves.
Did people make this much fuss when Splinter Cell and Knights of the Old Republic were supposedly "patched" over Xbox Live? I don't remember people crying fowl when they added all the new weapons, aliens, and stuff to Knights of the Old Republic.
Part of paying for XBL is getting downloadable content and participating in special tournaments. Why is it that some people think Xbox Live subscribers aren't entitled to any bonuses?
If you don't think you got your money's worth with Splinter Cell, KOTOR, or Ninja Gaiden then check the review scores, you're in the vast minority. These are bonuses meant to extend the life of the game, not essential patches meant to fix the game. If you want these bonuses get Xbox Live. Should have any of these games been delayed 3 to 6 months just to add these small bonus extras? Absolutely not.
Microsoft is strictly against patching games. There is a critical bug in the PC and Xbox version of Thief. The developer is not allowed to patch it on Xbox because it is not part of the online component of the game.
Part of paying for XBL is getting downloadable content and participating in special tournaments. Why is it that some people think Xbox Live subscribers aren't entitled to any bonuses?
If you don't think you got your money's worth with Splinter Cell, KOTOR, or Ninja Gaiden then check the review scores, you're in the vast minority. These are bonuses meant to extend the life of the game, not essential patches meant to fix the game. If you want these bonuses get Xbox Live. Should have any of these games been delayed 3 to 6 months just to add these small bonus extras? Absolutely not.
Microsoft is strictly against patching games. There is a critical bug in the PC and Xbox version of Thief. The developer is not allowed to patch it on Xbox because it is not part of the online component of the game.
Shouta
Member
Wow, my head hurts after reading this thread.
At any rate, Tella has a point (if you ignore the fact its probably being distributed through OXM and the fact there's 2 month free cards everywhere). To download the content offered by Tecmo, you shouldn't need to subscribe to XBL. MS isn't giving you the content, Tecmo is. I would not pay someone else just to get access to something the creator made available for free.
His concern is warranted. If all the other means of distributing this content and there weren't any coupons to get the service free were suddely gone (not likely to happen but its a possibility), MS could force you to subscribe to XBL for free content provided by the developers. That's the ultimate point of what he's saying. If this were happening, ALL of you would be complaining.
That said, WOULD YOU DAMNED PEOPLE READ WHAT PEOPLE SAY AND TAKE A MINUTE TO COMPREHEND WHAT PEOPLE ARE TYPING!? Tellaerin made his VERY clear and it apparently went over most of your heads.
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Patch =/= bugfix. As some pointed out already, patching is just an alteration to the code of the game. Adding content and fixing problems are a part of patching. When MS talks about no "patching" they mean no "patching" of bugfixes.
At any rate, Tella has a point (if you ignore the fact its probably being distributed through OXM and the fact there's 2 month free cards everywhere). To download the content offered by Tecmo, you shouldn't need to subscribe to XBL. MS isn't giving you the content, Tecmo is. I would not pay someone else just to get access to something the creator made available for free.
His concern is warranted. If all the other means of distributing this content and there weren't any coupons to get the service free were suddely gone (not likely to happen but its a possibility), MS could force you to subscribe to XBL for free content provided by the developers. That's the ultimate point of what he's saying. If this were happening, ALL of you would be complaining.
That said, WOULD YOU DAMNED PEOPLE READ WHAT PEOPLE SAY AND TAKE A MINUTE TO COMPREHEND WHAT PEOPLE ARE TYPING!? Tellaerin made his VERY clear and it apparently went over most of your heads.
Edit:
Patch =/= bugfix. As some pointed out already, patching is just an alteration to the code of the game. Adding content and fixing problems are a part of patching. When MS talks about no "patching" they mean no "patching" of bugfixes.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
I'm guessing Tecmo sees some form of financial benefit from this from MS. It's not like they just decided to do extra work and not get any sort of benefit from it. Tecmo is a business, not a charity organization. In that sense, you could say ms bought the content from tecmo, and we're buying it from ms.
Tecmo is giving out this content to promote the tournament and maintin interest in the game.
I would not be complaining if MS said only on Xbox Live. As with all video game consoles it is a closed platform. This is not a PC, there is absolutely no software allowed to be sold for Xbox without Microsoft's approval. In fact there is no Xbox Live content that is allowed without Microsoft's approval. They can allow or disallow any content they want, they own the platform. Same goes for Sony and Nintendo. If they say "no you can't release or sell a separate disc with extra content for a game" that is their perogative. If a developer doesn't respect Microsoft's wishes they have every right to fine them, terminate their contract, sue them, and demand their dev kits back.
You do also understand that Tecmo very badly wants people to subscribe to Xbox Live. They are releasing the first online 3D fighting game soon and they want people to buy it and play it online. In order to do that they have to help sell Xbox Live. The Master Ninja Tournament and all this downloadable content helps sell Xbox Live and helps to get Tecmo/DOA fans on Xbox Live.
I would not be complaining if MS said only on Xbox Live. As with all video game consoles it is a closed platform. This is not a PC, there is absolutely no software allowed to be sold for Xbox without Microsoft's approval. In fact there is no Xbox Live content that is allowed without Microsoft's approval. They can allow or disallow any content they want, they own the platform. Same goes for Sony and Nintendo. If they say "no you can't release or sell a separate disc with extra content for a game" that is their perogative. If a developer doesn't respect Microsoft's wishes they have every right to fine them, terminate their contract, sue them, and demand their dev kits back.
Shouta
Member
The fact it's to promote the tournament and to maintain interest in the game isn't of consequence to the issue. It's content made available to the public at no charge from Tecmo (if they were charging, they'd make it Ninja Gaiden: Director's Cut or something). However, you can only download it through XBL which in essence doesn't make it free (ignoring 2 month cards and OXM ;p). You shouldn't be forced to pay for a service when you want to get new content that's free.
That is kind of obvious but there are ways of getting people to sign up for XBL other than making the content downloadable through XBL.
I thought so too but apparently some people didn't realize that =P.
Some of you need to get it through your heads that this download is technically the second round of the Master Ninja Tournament. Master Ninja Tournament has always been an Xbox Live! feature. Go bust out the EGM interview with Itagaki. He stated as much in the interview he was taking gamer considerations and adding extra content for the master ninja tournament.
The sooner you realize Ninja Gaiden 1.1 is technically the second round of the Master Ninja Tournement, which is offered, advertised, and supported via Xbox Live!, the less bitchy and whiney you will be. Anyone arguing to the contrary has no point.
Also we know these extras will be offered via a secondary source whining about it accomplishes nothing.
The sooner you realize Ninja Gaiden 1.1 is technically the second round of the Master Ninja Tournement, which is offered, advertised, and supported via Xbox Live!, the less bitchy and whiney you will be. Anyone arguing to the contrary has no point.
Also we know these extras will be offered via a secondary source whining about it accomplishes nothing.
Anyway, I'm done arguing on this topic. I'll have my extra content downloaded in early August and I can't wait.
Here is the official announcement with quotes from exxys two best friends, John Inada and Tomonobu Itagaki.
I'm just trying to figure out how the gameplay is going to get faster!
Here is the official announcement with quotes from exxys two best friends, John Inada and Tomonobu Itagaki.
I'm just trying to figure out how the gameplay is going to get faster!
I love how people keep arguing about it not being 'free' while continually having to acknowledge OXM and free 2 month cards If you have to IGNORE other ENTIRELY FREE (Or nearly free in OXM's case) ways to get the content, it's a pretty weak arguement. Also, Xbox Live is a CLOSED service, always has been, this has always been known. If developers could all run their own servers and offer their own content, well, EA would have been on board a lot sooner.
Bottom line.
I still say most of the people who are really bitching don't even have an Xbox and are looking for reasons to bash MS, as usual.
If you have to IGNORE other ENTIRELY FREE (Or nearly free in OXM's case) ways to get the content, it's a pretty weak arguement. Also, Xbox Live is a CLOSED service, always has been, this has always been known. If developers could all run their own servers and offer their own content, well, EA would have been on board a lot sooner.Bottom line.
I still say most of the people who are really bitching don't even have an Xbox and are looking for reasons to bash MS, as usual.
The only point I can see is that Xbox isn't using the same download channels as PC games (Which don't have to be approved by anyone to be released, really, which is why you get horrible buggy, unfinished games that NEED free patching to work properly), and that somehow this is a bad thing because everything should be free no matter what.
Guess what, it's not, too bad, move on.
Guess what, it's not, too bad, move on.
The Faceless Master
Member
BUT THE "CONTENT" IS AN XBOX LIVE TOURNAMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ADVERTISED!
The Faceless Master
Member
yeah, that's another good point... releasing content on PC (an open architecture) means you can do anything you want within the law... on a closed system, it means you can do anything you want within the licensor's wishes...---- said:
The Faceless Master
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like they are on cube...Nikashi said:
The Faceless Master said:
Haha, that's a joke right?
But if it's not... Nintendo didn't even support it, barely advertised it, and has poo pooed online from the get go, hence the complete LACK of support. It's not a control issue, it's a "Why would we support your peripheral when even you won't" issue.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Shouta: Man I have to subscribe to POL for the Rise of the Zilart patch, what the hell is this shit?
The Faceless Master
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yeah, it was a joke...Nikashi said:
carbonbased
Member
Damage controllers owned, I'm glad to see the irksome camera is getting a change. I have to give Team Ninja props for this. Even though I'm far from their biggest fan, they really have gone out of their way to please everyone with Ninja Gaiden.
Love the Kilik-esque staff action.
Love the Kilik-esque staff action.
carbonbased
Member
I was referring to the people who damage controlled the camera when the game first came out. Yes, it bothered many people including myself, and I'm happy they're responding accordingly. It looks like the G-A review of Ninja Gaiden may have had a pretty big effect on Itagaki.Shompola said: