Jawmuncher
Member
Cant blame them too much for rushing. Since it was essentially if we dont rush activision takes the ip from us. Kind of a damned if you do damned if you dont situation.
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NPD: Destiny 2 down 50% at retail vs. Destiny 1 retail
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joecanada
Member
You're right on but I don't know why you expected them to fix this stuff... D1 was terrible for performance too. Dropping the player count is actually worse because for arcadey shooters like this a big free for all is half the fun ... 4v4 in this setup ? Nah.
Imagine battlefront 8v8 or 4v4 total borefest.
I try to find the reason why PVP matchmaking is slow in my area. Because I sure as hell find 99 players in Fortnite much faster than 7 players in Destiny 2, and I don't remember it being that slow in D1.
Niceguydan8
Member
In my opinion, PvP balance is at the very least partially why the Destiny 2 guns are so bland in terms of variety.
AHA-Lambda
Member
It's just not a surprising result frankly.
As big as the Destiny fanbase certainly is, this is a Watch Dogs 2 situation again. Count me as another that bought vanilla Destiny 1, hated it, and never went back.
As an aside, here is yet another example of the UK market being an indicator of AAA trends, and yet people always brush it off as "yeah but the UK market is shit". Just saying.
Also, right as rain, despite numerous threads in the past, we continue to get the "but digital" excuse which would never make up this shortfall.
As big as the Destiny fanbase certainly is, this is a Watch Dogs 2 situation again. Count me as another that bought vanilla Destiny 1, hated it, and never went back.
As an aside, here is yet another example of the UK market being an indicator of AAA trends, and yet people always brush it off as "yeah but the UK market is shit". Just saying.
Also, right as rain, despite numerous threads in the past, we continue to get the "but digital" excuse which would never make up this shortfall.
2blackcats
Member
Same as every single person I know that bought both.
Sounds about right anyway. Sales probably down 30 odd %. Plenty people felt burnt by the first, people migrating to pc, way more competition, no last gen versions.
That offset by way more current gen owners.
Jawmuncher
Member
Yeah thus far the UK is basically sneak peeks at the NPD.
Yeah, companies want endless, high percentage growth from their big franchises, regardless of whether that's a sane thing to expect. I doubt Acti is happy, especially given they left Bungie delay the game a year.
Hope they're enjoying that shader money.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I expect a lot of people wanted to see if the first Destiny was for them
This looking like more of the same means the people who decided it wasn't for them didn't come back
This looking like more of the same means the people who decided it wasn't for them didn't come back
LordBaztion
Member
Sales are declining everywhere. I wonder how will star wars do.
Niceguydan8
Member
Not really. PC numbers are historically smaller in terms of sales when it comes to games available on all consoles.
Also, the base game wasn't on PC, so I'm not sure why we would need to wait to draw any sort of comparisons.
Same for me as well; bought the original, got burnt by the grind and lack of new content coming out for the game and never went back to the game ever again. Not only that, but Warframe, a free to play game where spending money is completely optional, just released the Plains of Eidolon update which looks fucking huge for that game and has me excited for its release on PS4 soon, so why would I want to spend money on Destiny 2 then when I can wrap all my hours on that instead?
katsubento
Member
I bought it digital this time, because my local GS wouldn't release at launch.
I know a lot of peeps are waiting for PC. No last gen sales.
Still, probably not what you want to hear. Too bad, because the sequel is much more superb than original vanilla.
I know a lot of peeps are waiting for PC. No last gen sales.
Still, probably not what you want to hear. Too bad, because the sequel is much more superb than original vanilla.
Complicated
Banned
Seemed like there was zero excitement for it this time. Nobody I know was even aware it was releasing. I'm curious if the core PC crowd will still show up after all the muted reactions to the game since the console launch. Not launching at the same time seems like it was a real missed opportunity with how much they kept quiet about the game.
Art Vandilay
Member
Are people forgetting about a PC release this go around? Overall sales may be lower, but I imagine that has a lot to do with it.
Branniganz Love
Member
I left vanilla Destiny feeling pretty burned. Bought the complete edition on sale last Christmas during a sale and felt like it was a great value.
I just don't trust Bungie to deliver a great game at launch anymore. I'll buy D2 once there is a complete edition in another 2 years. Sucks to miss out on the excitement of being there early on though.
I just don't trust Bungie to deliver a great game at launch anymore. I'll buy D2 once there is a complete edition in another 2 years. Sucks to miss out on the excitement of being there early on though.
That may be true....but why would there be a significant difference between d1 and d2 digital sales?
AdventureRacing
Member
Don't know why anyone is acting like digital will make a difference. Didn't the original have like 30% digital ratio? Destiny 3 would practically need to have sold more digitally than physically to out so the original. Sure the extra digital will bridge the gap somewhat but worldwide it's still going to be a big decline. That's with the xbone and PS4 userbase a being massively up since the original launched.
When you launch a huge franchise like this and spent this much money advertising and talking about a 10 year plan or whatever I'm pretty sure you're expecting growth not a big decline.
Having said all that the game will still be a massive success, just not as much as expected.
When you launch a huge franchise like this and spent this much money advertising and talking about a 10 year plan or whatever I'm pretty sure you're expecting growth not a big decline.
Having said all that the game will still be a massive success, just not as much as expected.
PC won't "push it over the top" but it's about a quarter of the market in 2017. if you factor that, digital sales across all platforms, and a way lessened marketing expense i don't see bean counters at activision being too worried
So thats why GME stock took a hit this week. So glad Ive been short.
Reminder: Destiny 2 had over million concurrent players.
This thing is over 50% digital. Makes sense given its expansion model.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Good news, the PC version of Destiny 2 will show infinite growth over the PC version of Destiny.
firstadopter
Member
Umm. NPD sales is just U.S. not global.
Stillmatic
Member
Me also, and the regulars I play with. I switched to digital for online games in general.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Completely different than outright failing.
Obliterator
Member
That number is not correct and never was
And to back that up
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/918946726077181953
The 30% in UK digital number is not accurate
I'm hugely against buying digital when a physical version is available for the same price, but any game that I am going to regularly play for multiplayer, with friends, and am unlikely to sell or won't have good resell value, is like the perfect case for Destiny. The market has changed since 2014, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see D2's sales higher on the back of massively increased digital.
Digital will make that gap smaller but I don't think it's going to be enough to make up the difference. Definitely feel like it was a combination of people feeling burnt by vanilla Destiny, the gaming landscape overall being more crowded (not to mention the FPS market and PUBG being the 'hotness' now), and just no reason to jump in day one.
Obliterator
Member
It doesn't make up the whole gap no. D1 still launched higher.
But D2 is doing much stronger than what you are seeing reflected in retail
2blackcats
Member
Everyone I know was physical with the first and digital with the second.
But there might be a bunch of people who were a bit burned with the first and did the opposite to make sure that they like it(though I haven't seen any).
BarringGaffner
Member
Destiny 2 marketing was like 'hey we fixed the problems of the first game and that's it!'. I could see why people didn't get as excited about that.
SirNinja
Member
Destiny 1 was on four platforms, the userbase of two of which (PS360) preferred physical over digital quite a bit more than the current gen.
Destiny 2 is only out on just two of its three planned platforms so far, with all evidence pointing towards a far larger ratio of digital sales (makes sense for a game like this), and it's likely about to sell gangbusters on PC very soon.
The Destiny haters on GAF never fail to amuse. It's always the same variant of "I played 100+ hours and now there's nothing to do, what an nothingburger this game turned out to be!".
An empty shell, really? After everything you've seen and done to get to and through that point? Guess D2 should've kept in all the bullshit endgame grinds from D1 that served no purpose but to artificially lengthen itself and disrespect the players' time.
Not that D2 doesn't also have its share of flaws - it definitely does - but I really like not having to roll hundreds of the same weapon to try to find the god roll...to name but one example.
...That actually wasn't what any of the marketing said at all?
Destiny 2 is only out on just two of its three planned platforms so far, with all evidence pointing towards a far larger ratio of digital sales (makes sense for a game like this), and it's likely about to sell gangbusters on PC very soon.
The Destiny haters on GAF never fail to amuse. It's always the same variant of "I played 100+ hours and now there's nothing to do, what an nothingburger this game turned out to be!".
An empty shell, really? After everything you've seen and done to get to and through that point? Guess D2 should've kept in all the bullshit endgame grinds from D1 that served no purpose but to artificially lengthen itself and disrespect the players' time.
Not that D2 doesn't also have its share of flaws - it definitely does - but I really like not having to roll hundreds of the same weapon to try to find the god roll...to name but one example.
...That actually wasn't what any of the marketing said at all?
Narpas Sword0
Member
I get that D1 pissed people off, but didn't TTK do exceptionally well?
Still expecting it to be more profitable than Destiny 1, even with slightly less sales.
For one they didn't sink a massive amount of money into marketing and Activision/Bungie are now also monetizing far more aggressively than when it launched in 2014.
Jawmuncher
Member
RichiRamjag
Member
I personally feel that the staggered release will hurt the pc sales tbh.
Strangelove77
Member
Is the whole "wait for pc" said sarcastically or do people expect it to make up for the sales on consoles?
I'm genuinely asking. Are pc players really that wanting for Destiny 2?
I'm genuinely asking. Are pc players really that wanting for Destiny 2?
No one thinks that. But it is part of it. Along with digital.
ThaPhantom
Member
Not sure how many others switched but I definitely was disc for Destiny 1 and bought it digital this time around.
Well I didn't buy it for PS4 even though I bought the original on PS4 and bought it on PC instead. So there's at least one sale.
firstadopter
Member
Merrill Lynch's estimate for Destiny 2 sales is up 60% versus Destiny 1 for its first calendar year.
Think about that.
Is that achievable with month one Destiny 2 physical sales down more than 50% versus Destiny 1, even under the assumption digital sales are up big?
Think about that.
Is that achievable with month one Destiny 2 physical sales down more than 50% versus Destiny 1, even under the assumption digital sales are up big?
Uno Venova
Banned
Honestly, some of the hot takes here on why this underperformed are hilarious.