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NPD: PlayStation 5 has highest launch month for a hardware platform in U.S. history.
v_iHuGi
Banned
Sony has 41B on Hand, just bought Crunchy for 1.2b & it's on a spending spree, also breaking profits records.
They'll be fine don't worry.
NullZ3r0
Banned
They sold everything they could ship.
pixelation
Member
PS5's eating breakfast.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This is no excuse, why would they stock their strongest, most important market with less units than they did for the XB1? Worldwide launch this time doesnt mean allocating stock outside of NA where it wont sell so I dont buy that either.
The reality is MS projected less sales than they did for XB1 so inventory numbers reflect that.
There is no easy fix for scalping. The only thing you could do is cumbersome "one per customer" rule which scalpers will overcome with a bit of extra work.
Jtibh
Banned
Have at least a priority customer list.
They asked us to sign up with our psn id to potentialy secure one unit.
But i bet 99% never heard back.
Stores could have had one per household preorder back in september with id is another. So stores only and no online.
Or at the very least have half of stock allocated to retail only so there is a chance to get one if you stand in line.
There are many options but i understand companies only care for sales and not how those sales occur
fallingdove
Member
Stand in line during covid? Yeah, that sounds awesome.
Jtibh
Banned
Oh really?? You want me to show u pics from all the line up at costco or best buy or any other store since store capacity is dropped to 15 percent or so?
You want me to show you pics from malls inside where people stand in line at every store or hell best example is apple store cuz of limited store capacity?
Edjucate yourself before you open your mouth
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Dooooooooooommmmmmmmed
ethomaz
Banned
KungFucius
King Snowflake
But it is sold out everywhere so it must be supply. Are you suggesting they made less because they had no games?
They probably made less because Xbone sold worse than the RLoD console. Also all the games are on PC so it is not even in consideration for a lot of gamers.
Dr Bass
Member
Resale is also notably lower on series X. So, less supply, much lower resale price even with less inventory. Doesn't seem like great news for Xbox.
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Coolwhhip
Neophyte
#impeachphilspencer
fallingdove
Member
Says the person who spells educate with a ‘j’.
Sony and Microsoft aren’t behind people lining up for shit, but you are suggesting that these companies increase the exposure to covid by forcing additional inventory to be sold at physical locations? To stop what exactly? You think that scalpers wouldn’t hire people to stand in line the same way that they develop bots to do so in a digital space?
alabtrosMyster
Banned
The barrier of entry to paying people to stand in line for hours to re-sell something at an higher price is much more important than hiring some guy to write some shopping scripts to buy thousands of whatever to resell them at an higher price... the scale is not the same!
That being said, I have two friends on my PSN list who were playing on PS5 earlier today, I don't think they got their machines from scalpers, it's just not their style (style meaning they don't have that much money).
Jtibh
Banned
So you say all these other retails have no problem lining people up??
You know apple best buy sportcheck etc etc ?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Waiting on that RDNA2 secret sauce. Came from the king's mouth directly. Xbox still counting those votes.
Unknown?
Member
Holy crap even worse than X1 and that's with two consoles not just one. But as said before no momentum behind X1 whereas there was some with 360.
Fake
Member
And this is for France.
In France the XS X|S is also selling less at launch than both the Xbox One and X360. A tiny bit less though. Whereas the PS5 is the best selling Playstation console launch in France's history.
PS5 vende 43.000 unidades en su lanzamiento en España y Xbox Series, 14.100
El pasado 19 de noviembre, Sony lanzó su PlayStation 5 en Europa y en la primera semana vendió 43.000 unidades en España. Unos días antes, el 10 de noviembre,www.lavanguardia.com
This is fantastic news for me. People really embrace the physical media. I really happy about that.
Jtibh
Banned
Still waiting for an answer as of why you say sony and microsoft are not wanting to expose people to covid by lining up but you dont complain about every other retailer lining people up in malls and strip malls.
Cuz again anywhere you go due to limited capacity people are in lines all day long
fallingdove
Member
I could have sworn we were talking about console scarcity not somebody lining up at Bed Bath and Beyond for a discounted waffle iron.
I am against making a global pandemic worse by forcing additional inventory to be sold at physical locations. Seems like my position on the matter is pretty straightforward.
It sucks that you or someone you know are going to have to wait a couple months or cough up some extra cash for one of these consoles.
Yoboman
Member
You guys are easily impressed. Impressed by a console without any big games and then impressed by there being others buying a console without any big games
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QuantumZebra
Member
Xsx and xss did worse than x1 in NA . Damn
v_iHuGi you can also out this tweet in op for reference .
Was supply of the XSX and XSS less than the PS5? How is that even possible??
I'm a PS fan but I don't want to see Xbox fail, damn.
Do not bring logic into this, please.
That waiting for later tech is an excuse. And it makes MS look incompetent, seeing how the Pro got Vega tech about 6 months before Vega launched.
MS had to wait for current AMD tech, that launched this year....and Cerny didn't?
At some point, ppl have to stop falling for pr, spin. Remember github? Series X had RT and VRS. So what RDNA 2 tech was MS waiting for.....?
Can't be the VA, can't be RT, can't be VRS. SFS?
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't get it either.
Enough Xbox Series X Units Will Be Available At Launch, Phil Spencer Says
Phil Spencer recently commented on the Xbox Series X production, saying he feels confident that there will be enough units at launch
wccftech.com
Sounds like back then they didn't expect any supply issues even with Covid-19 being a problem. Maybe it was in relation to the demand that they were expecting?
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QuantumZebra
Member
I don't get it either.
Enough Xbox Series X Units Will Be Available At Launch, Phil Spencer Says
Phil Spencer recently commented on the Xbox Series X production, saying he feels confident that there will be enough units at launch
Sounds like back then they didn't expect any supply issues even with Covid-19 being a problem. Maybe it was in relation to the demand that they were expecting?
That makes this even more confusing.
Especially considering how much money Microsoft has. Unless I'm wrong they have to own some fabs too as they produce the Surface line of products and other hardware.
I can't imagine they'd be out of the loop on parts availability. If there was some huge supply issue you'd think they'd let people know before release to temper sales expectations, too.
Gamerguy84
Member
Sorry haven't read the whole thread but why is this?
If all stock is sold in US does that just mean xbox produced less? I know they had 2 skus but so did Sony.
If all stock is sold in US does that just mean xbox produced less? I know they had 2 skus but so did Sony.
Jtibh
Banned
The point i was making was that standing in line is no issue for most as you can tell by going around a bit.
Line ups is what you will deal with for months to come.
Your argument was if i understood correctly is that noir sony or microsoft wanted to expose people to the virus so they opted for online sales by large. Or so you wanted to make me look like an idiot for even suggesting that idea.
But on scarcity...yes sony made millions of users sign up with psn id for a chance to secure one ps5 but i bet maybe 10 people got it. All while extracting data from users and sign them up for adds through the back door.
Shady no?
I cant talk about microsoft bit to me sony fucked up and they knew all along what will happen they just didnt give a shit to stop it.
And dont get me started on this pandemic bullshit when a simple coca cola put on a covid test gives a positive result as demonstrated in austria proving just how faulty and worthless those tests really are.
Hey no bad blood here against you just yes maybe pissed i cant get no ps5 so i give you that.
Yoboman
Member
Of course it was
You expect retailers would order more Xbox units than PS? Xbox would be operating to a lower expected sell through rate than Playstation
Xbox has had years now of bad hardware sales, even if Series X proves popular they aren't going to stuff the supply channels at launch and potentially end up with the bad image of consoles sitting on shelves
QuantumZebra
Member
So you're thinking they artificially limited supply, or retailers just didn't want as many on their shelves as PS5 and MS knew it?
The first is logical if they were hesitant to have the "PS5 is sold out and Xbox isn't" image, but even then they'd theoretically be selling more consoles because there's no PS5s available (for fence sitters, at least).
Yoboman
Member
No its not like they are sitting in a warehouse, they just never projected to sell as many as PS so were always operating at lower numbers.
I expect they do projections on what they can manufacture and sell during particular phases of a console life cycle, based on their historical data and internal sales projections. Manufacturing capabilities play a role too. You can only make so many, and the consoles made for launch period are the least profitable
So in the end its a matter of how many they can expect to make and actually sell, and not over supplying channels. Which means that recent poor Xbox hardware sales may have resulted in a situation where MS were more conservative in their production than needed
QuantumZebra
Member
That seems logical. I imagined MS would want to flood people with marketing and make sure supply was generous, but that scenario could also be the case.
fallingdove
Member
I get it. Historically, console launches have been far from ideal. (Well, maybe Stadia had enough supply to meet demand) That doesn’t mean that manufactures shouldn’t continue looking for ways to solve for the situation.
Good luck in your search.
MasterCornholio
Member
With Series X and Series S I wasn't expecting them to outsell the PS5 but to at least get close. These results seem kind of weird to me to be honest.
Memorabilia
Member
It's the slice of GAF known as SonyGAF for a reason, what do you expect? They give the impression of either being employed as Sony surrogates or, more pathetically, sitting around circle jerking to a candle-lit Playstation shrine just for the hell of it without getting paid.
Reality doesn't factor in for the warriorz. You just have to interact with these people like you would your retarded little cousin. Pat them on the head and smile.
I'm excited to see PS5 and Switch doing this well, both largely as a function of supply meeting demand (demand that has been curated by strong brands with exclusive titles over a number of preceding years).
There are multiple factors at play here for Xbox, some of which are perhaps the weaker launch lineup but mostly a (perhaps overly) cautious calculation on the part of MS to not over produce combined with launching in 3 times the countries that they launched XB1...combined with a change in philosophy to push GamePass perhaps more than they push break-even hardware.
The Xbox group knows they have a winner in GamePass and it makes sense to push that as pure profit on multiple platforms rather than flood the market with hardware which doesn't make them any money. This may have been some of the calculation of not producing more units as well.
Or...it could simply be that MS leadership was overly cautious about production numbers and/or the fact that MS paid more heed to the changed reality of Coronavirus whereas Sony and Nintendo decided to balls to the wall regardless of the pandemic and its inherent risks.
GHG
Member
It's the slice of GAF known as SonyGAF for a reason, what do you expect? They give the impression of either being employed as Sony surrogates or, more pathetically, sitting around circle jerking to a candle-lit Playstation shrine just for the hell of it without getting paid.
Reality doesn't factor in for the warriorz. You just have to interact with these people like you would your retarded little cousin. Pat them on the head and smile.
I'm excited to see PS5 and Switch doing this well, both largely as a function of supply meeting demand (demand that has been curated by strong brands with exclusive titles over a number of preceding years).
There are multiple factors at play here for Xbox, some of which are perhaps the weaker launch lineup but mostly a (perhaps overly) cautious calculation on the part of MS to not over produce combined with launching in 3 times the countries that they launched XB1...combined with a change in philosophy to push GamePass perhaps more than they push break-even hardware.
The Xbox group knows they have a winner in GamePass and it makes sense to push that as pure profit on multiple platforms rather than flood the market with hardware which doesn't make them any money. This may have been some of the calculation of not producing more units as well.
Or...it could simply be that MS leadership was overly cautious about production numbers and/or the fact that MS paid more heed to the changed reality of Coronavirus whereas Sony and Nintendo decided to balls to the wall regardless of the pandemic and its inherent risks.
Accuses others of being surrogates...
Proceeds to then behave like a surrogate and make a ton of excuses for Xbox's poor launch numbers.
Makes sense.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Scalping isn't to anywhere near the scale you think it is. They sold over 1.1 million PS5's in the USA alone... wrap that number around your head a little bit.
A very high estimate for the number scalped would be 200k. It's probably more like ~150k or less, or roughly 10%.
Is it bigger because of online sales? Probably. Is it so big it's worth it for stores to implement bot protections? No.. this problem exists for a tiny tiny fraction of what they sell.
And newsflash, scalped consoles do not represent what the average person is willing to pay for them. Either way, why are you asking for 100% of people to be punished with a higher price rather than the much smaller percentage of people who just can't wait out an initial product rush? These issues are always temporary, the PS5 is not a limited edition item.. this will pass.
I managed to buy 2 for myself.. wasn't even that hard. There have been multiple restocks. It's scarce right now but there will be more drops too, and it's not all bots buying them.
Memorabilia
Member
My post is not meant to be constituted of excuses, its called using ones brain to understand that in any situation there are usually numerous reasons in any cause/effect relationship. I realize you have a history of sometimes being an obtuse asshat, but I also know you're smart enough to know this is true. All you've done here is beclown yourself by trying to point out a false equivalency. It IS possible to enjoy all platforms and acknowledge reality without fellating one vs the other. Try it sometime.
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GHG
Member
My post is not meant to be constututed of excuses, its called using ones brain to understand that in any situation there are usually numerous reasons in any cause/effect relationship. I realize you have a history of sometimes being an obtuse asshat, but I also know you're smart enough to know this is true. All you've done here is beclown yourself by trying to point out a false equivalency. It IS possible to enjoy all platforms and acknowledge reality without fellating one vs the other. Try it sometime.
Memorabilia
Member
Lionel Richie
Member
Don't worry my salty friend, it will continue to outsell the PS5 for quite a good while so you have plenty of time to get used to it.
sircaw
Banned
you seem a little bit angry, cheer up dude, its the weekend.
Memorabilia
Member
Not angry at all. Bemused is much closer.
I'm sitting here playing on my PS5 as an "Xbox surrogate". lmao Like I said before, you can't have a rational convo with SonyGAF. Its a bizarre cult.
sircaw
Banned
Not angry at all. Bemused is much closer.
Well i am not sure using words like retarded little cousin, beclown and obtuse asshate are going to win you "lets meet at the pub for a quizz night scenario situations"
Just saying
Memorabilia
Member
I get that but I think it should be pretty obvious I've had lost patience with the circle jerk nonsense in here. Rooting for any of the platforms to fail is self destructive idiocy and much of SonyGAF has degenerated to the "its not enough I should succeed, but the other should fail" territory with all the inherent willful ignorance this entails.
Ash Sparrow
Banned
You have all these dummys mocking a console thats sold out and I'm who you quote? The PS5 is selling out and doesnt have anything either. For those of us who dont care about S[oderman, you sony fans are alway overplaying your hand thats why the Bethesda deal put you on your backs.