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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
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Scar Mortico
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It's kind of weird to see the PS2 looking a LITTLE slow out of the gate (at least compared to Wii and PS4) considering it is the highest sold console of all time.
When did the PS2 have that BIG jump?
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Both PS4 and X1 had amazing launches but since then the sales haven't been that great. after the first two months the XB1 line is basically parallel with gamecube, and the PS4 is doing rather poorly for a top selling console
Psycho_Mantis
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PS2 reached that status due to amazing initial sales along with unbelievable legs. Its sold 60 million in the generation after its own iirc. Just think about that for a sec.
Hmm...good to know.
Although I'm very picky when it comes to this stuff and usually always get games/consoles new. Hate getting used stuff (except cars XD).
Still, thanks for the links.
according to the people who get them, they're like new. the current theory is that they're unsold stock from the original nintendo land bundles. feel free to ask around in that thread.
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I didn't realise this is a thread about LTD sales and not June 2014s result.
bigbaldwolf86
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If that graph is it's first year then wasn't it only available in Japan at first and the came to the US and EU later?
Scar Mortico
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Opus Angelorum
Member
Indeed, too many unique and well received games to ignore a Wii U now.
boredandlazy
Member
Month by month results are almost useless without context.
Has there been any indication about the percentage of games being sold digitally on current gen? I assume that people who have already bought a current gen console are the ones who buy more digitally than those people that still use last gen consoles. Unless we know the digital share, the current gen software sales numbers provided by NPD are pretty much useless, or am I wrong?
michaelius
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PS4 sales are crazy considering big hitters will start arriving this fall
Omotesando
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The Wii is long gone out of the reach of the PS4 (for the first 4 years or so), the hype among non gamers was way too strong for that console, only to be matched by its fall of grace with the rapid sales decline, discontinuation and failure of its follower the WiiU. It's a shortlived console, but what a rollercoaster it was. The Wii name is a bit of an anomaly in the industry.
A more valid approach is that of the PS2 vs the PS4, both were and are poised to dominate the console space for a long period of time. The PS4 has the best launch but the month to month sales has been lacking behind the PS2 as we can see in the steepness of the line graph. It's is going to be interesting to see if the PS4 can catch on with the best selling console ever.
Scar Mortico
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Yeah that part I know. I just mean when exactly did the PS2 take it's biggest sales jump? From either month to month or year to year?
TMaakkonen
Member
PS2 sales are too scary.
You could remove its LTD in USA (50m+), and still make PS2 WW LTD be about 100m.
That is more than X360 and PS3 WW LTD. ._.
You could remove its LTD in USA (50m+), and still make PS2 WW LTD be about 100m.
That is more than X360 and PS3 WW LTD. ._.
No that graph is US only. Basically they had supply issues at launch, but that doesn't matter much in the long run
PdotMichael
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Would be great if the PS4 can stay between Wii and PS2 #LTD
WiiU is a hopeless case.
WiiU is a hopeless case.
holiday should be good, but in the sense that holidays are generally always good. i don't know what's there that will really push hardware sales into new heights. 2015 is the year where it seems everything will start hitting.
EventHorizon
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I don't think you can determine the final slope of the XB1 or PS4 lines until another month or two. They both had an unusual launch in that they had far more supply available at that time relative to other launches. Basically sales that would have normally occur later were moved up because people didn't have to wait as much.
Yea. Who needs that pesky context when people are trying to manipulate the data to fit their own agenda?
Context is pivotal to understanding LTD results too. Point?
Whats my agenda? Expousing the truth?
Asia market dude. I remember how PS2 is a popular gift for kids that perfomed good at their school in 2007-2008. It's popular not only because of the library of games, but also because easily pirated a perquisites for a console to gain success in Asia that is not Japan.
Psycho_Mantis
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PS4, compared to PS3 has grown significantly in US (so far) and EU as well.
Considering the PS3 is at 84 million or something like that now, PS4 certainly has a notable chance to over take the Wii's LTD. PS2 is just unreachable.
Considering the PS3 is at 84 million or something like that now, PS4 certainly has a notable chance to over take the Wii's LTD. PS2 is just unreachable.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It's safe to say at this point that Xb1s best chance of winning of the NPD is when the Halo:MCC comes.
If MS can't win then I can easily see it being a long while before they ever win.
If MS can't win then I can easily see it being a long while before they ever win.
FalsettoVibe
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Decent numbers for PS4.
Cream, I know I might be getting on your nerves asking for that every month, but do you happen to have an update on Yoshi's New Island
I'm guessing there isn't a small difference, but I actually bought that game on a whim last month and ended up enjoying it. I must be one of the few.
So 197k for X1, 269k for ps4.
X1 numbers are not bad at all, but PS4 is literally untouchable right now.
Considering NA was Xbox land last gen, it's a fairly big change from last gen.
Some people keep forgetting the real factor which is World Wide sales, we are talking a few millions difference between X1 sales vs PS4 sales, PS4 has sold millions more than X1 WW.
Some people keep forgetting these are just physical software numbers, these numbers are not counting Digital Download sales, correct me if I am wrong.
Omotesando
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As PS4 is going to be the dominating console for this generation, based on the launch and last 7 months, I think the PS4 at worse might end up like the PS1 and Wii (100-105m) and at best somewhere in between the PS2 and the PS1.
michaelius
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Well I expect that non delayed versions of big franchises (Fifa, Cod, AC , etc) will push people into upgrading so holidays will be better than last two years but You are right that it doesn't mean they will be better compared to PS2/Wii holidays.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I want to see what Destiny, Dragon Age, Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed and all those holiday titles do to the LTD. I'm guessing we're looking at a double sales per week? (PS4 - 110k/w; XBO - 60k/w)
schwabdizzle
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UFC at 4 is sort of a suprise if you ask me.
DaSorcerer7
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imo, the new market realities in japan are going to seriously hinder the PS4's run to 100mil.
i understand the thought process, but i think it's too optimistic.
the console market is nearly gone in japan. it's probably a good 3-5m units sony won't get back. in the us, the platform is off to a good start, but it's acting like a second place console right now. the 360 didn't reach wii's numbers on its own either- there was a huge push in 2010 for kinect, with a $500m marketing campaign to get it there. if you're directly comparing it to the wii, it's already at that point where things will start lagging behind.
europe is one big question mark. it is undoubtedly sony's turf, but how well the ps4 is doing and compared to the ps3, nobody really knows for sure right now thanks to intentionally vague shipment numbers.
70-80m sounds about right to me. that is if it's about as popular in the us as it is in europe, can pick up a cool 5m in japan, and make up the rest around the world. it really depends how long it will stay on the market. that depends how rapidly the market shifts and how useful consoles will be in the near future.
TMaakkonen
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Doesnt MasterChiefCollection come out in November? So are people suggesting PS4 would lose November? Especially considering how 3rd parties are key sellers and they are selling better on PS4? Not to mention at the end of day remastered games dont sell 5m+ usually. Heck, considering that XB1s LTD in USA is below 3m, how the heck would they even sell 2m, if the mighty Titanfall has sold just about 1m+ on XB1.
...You know what, even if XB1 would sell more than PS4 in November, By about 100k, it would still be at least 400k behind PS4.
XB1 just cant beat entire LTD of PS4 in USA :v
...You know what, even if XB1 would sell more than PS4 in November, By about 100k, it would still be at least 400k behind PS4.
XB1 just cant beat entire LTD of PS4 in USA :v
This. PS2 was plagued with piracy that even on markets that are not strong on video games bought the system during its prime. Plus DVD movies boom (and piracy) too. That was practically the only investment and just buy the new and hot games for a dollar or 2, or use it to watch pirated DVDs too.
I think this gen we won't see a home system even reaching 100 million LTD, unless they will have 10 years of lifespan (even that sales is a reach after 10 years), or piracy starts to plague this gen.
boredandlazy
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The graphs provide context for both. Not sure what your problem is.
What truth are you exposing?
Same here man, i never even played TLOU so now i can enjoy it at its best with the remastered PS4 edition. Can't wait!
ZSaberLink
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So what releases apart from Tomodachi Life were in June? Did any of them chart (is UFC it?)?
Omotesando
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How much has PS3 sold in Japan, 9 million. The PS share has already shrunk in that country. For arguments sake, If catastrophe hits the PS4 and only manages to sell 6 million, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't have a big impact on the final LTD.
KnockOneOff
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That train never stops!!!!
Guess when they start slowing down they will just reskin and go minecraft 2.0 and start the train all over again lol
Difference between PS4 and Xbone in USA right now is little over than 650k. PS4 will increase lead in August, September and October, even possibly managing to create 1 million of buffer space if Destiny sales get high PS4 ratio in October.
If MS wins in one month by 100k, that will not make any difference [same as December 2013]. Momentum is in PS4's side, we dont know how Master Chief will perform, and in any case, PS4 will expand its lead quickly after that with two very important Q1 2015 exclusive games (Bloodbourne and Order 1886).
EventHorizon
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Not sure if this is relevant but people seem to like charts so here is another one. All I'll say is that it looks like 5-6 years is the life span of a console generation. I think part of the gaming industry's contraction is due to one part the Wii being a fad and another part due to the last generation simply running out of steam. It's going to take a while before this generation can build up enough good games to sustain the previous fan base.
Omotesando
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Nah.
70-80m is way too pessimistic for the console that is poised to be the number one leading brand. That is like apocalyptic for the industry if that happens, unless for some miracle WiiU or Xbox One is picking up that slack and reverse its course in a manner of which has never been seen before ever in the history of videogames.
That you would post an LTD graph as proof that things are hunky dory, when it illustrates my point quite well. It shows mediocre sales of the PS4 in June, and poor to awful sales of the Wii U and XBOne.
I feel like if I had phrased it "average PS4 sales" instead of mediocre (even though they mean the same thing) you would not be riled up.
Espousing (sic) not exposing. Doesn't need exposing since the data is out there in plain sight. The reality of the console market, obviously, as the numbers tell it.
This conversation reminds me of jutting up against Wii U fans when December 2012's NPD hit. But but but its still ahead of the Wii's pace of sales, you can't say its not good!
Well its not tanking like some people think X1 is....but i would say hold your breath until next NPD to see of X1 numbers go back down because you gotta keep in mind that these numbers do represent a larger portion of Month of May buyers that held off to buy X1 until the price drop landed which these NPD numbers of June represent.
Oh and yeah i agree it is sad to see people actually want to see X1 fail, that defeats the purpose of being a gamer even if you do not own or have any interest in X1, having two consoles competing only means better games for all of us and better deals for all of us but the biggest point i want to make is that at the end of the day regardless if you are a fanboy of a system or just a lover of gaming as a whole...we are still all on the same team, into the same hobby or i should say have a passion for the same thing.
The PS4 is most likely going to be the PS1 of this gen. It may sell as much as the PS1 did by the end of the gen in the US which I don;'t have the numbers for currently.Does anyone know the final ltd of the PS1 in the US? I don't see the PS4 selling anywere near the 360,Wii or PS2 in the US. In europe I don't see the PS4 selling anywere near the PS2 and Wii(most likely). The rest of the world besides Japan is unknown currently.The rate the PS4 is selling currently indicates that it may end up with an LTD around 5 or 6 million by November most likely in the US.
Psycho_Mantis
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At worst Japan will take away 5 million. PS4's gains in the US will be far more than that.
I do think its too early to judge but from my understanding and guessing PS3 sales are split like this:
US: 28 million
JP: 10 million
EU: 36 million
Other: 10 million
It must be also noted PS4 is will be entering China too. The US gain will be vital imo in its ability to do 100m+ as well the sales in Other countries. Thats where the PS4 has the potential to make its gains.
PS3 is currently at 10 million in japan. PS4 "only managing 6 million" in japan would not be a catastrophe, it would be a fucking miracle. Also PS3 is only at about 80 million after 8 years, so that's not the console you should be comparing it to if you're speculating about a 100M LTD
Omotesando
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PS1 liek Wii is around the 103 m mark. It is to my knowledge still the second best sold ever behind the PS2.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110722094946/http://scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps_e.html