Pilgrimzero
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Kojima not informing Hayter he wasnt coming back for the last MGS game was a dick move. Hayter is in the right here.
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Original Snake Voice David Hayter Has No Love For Hideo Kojima (Kotaku)
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No one is doubting that at all, but that was because it took 5 years to make the game, not because Kojima asked for gold-plated workstations. AAA gaming is fucking expensive.
Love Deterrence
Member
how is it a dick move tho????? kojima isnt friends with him? hayter himself said he has no personal connection to the man so? why would kojima have one to him????????
Team Filler
Member
Annnnd now I kind of wish they had got Kurt Russel to voice MGS3. Damn that could've been great.
The Silver
Member
I like Kiefer, much better than any of Hayter's recent Snake performances but I agree Kojima was a dick with how he went about replacing a guy who gave and meant so much to the series.
Primethius
Banned
If I never have to hear Hayters voice in a game ever again, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
Absolutely hated his Snake voice.
Absolutely hated his Snake voice.
Let's not get it twisted but Metal Gear is basically a high budget realistic Anime mecha military game with fan service sprinkled here and there. I love it for that reason.
Meh, pretty sure its budget was lower than the Witcher 3's. And it sold a similar amount excluding GZ and the atrocious dlc/microtraactions. MGSV made them money.
Spacejaws
Member
I've got no idea how people are defending the va in MGS4 and PW. Every single VA was abysmal and the dialouge the whole way through was pain inducing. Otacon, Sunny, Raiden, Naomi even Ocelot in MGS4, the moment they opened there mouths it was complete unispried drivel or nonsense mixed with 'emotion'.
I love the games but after 3 (and even during) i completely noticed the va taking a nosedive. I don't know what happened but there is a huge divide in script quality and pacing. MGS1 and 2 had scenes that are great to rewatch the later games I really struggle not to just skip them they so miss the mark and its more than just Hayter, it's a fundemental flaw in the script that just wants to throw techno jargan, out of the blue emotion and intrigue and fails spetacularly.
I've only played the first 5 hours of MGSV and still found nothing special va wise from all the main players so far. Its all just so fucking dull and pointless.
I love the games but after 3 (and even during) i completely noticed the va taking a nosedive. I don't know what happened but there is a huge divide in script quality and pacing. MGS1 and 2 had scenes that are great to rewatch the later games I really struggle not to just skip them they so miss the mark and its more than just Hayter, it's a fundemental flaw in the script that just wants to throw techno jargan, out of the blue emotion and intrigue and fails spetacularly.
I've only played the first 5 hours of MGSV and still found nothing special va wise from all the main players so far. Its all just so fucking dull and pointless.
Dude didn't even get a phone call to tell him he wasn't getting the role again. Sucks they didn't even give him that courtesy when he has been so involved with the series.
Reports have the development budget for MGSV at 80mil which would be about the same as the Witcher 3's entire budget which includes promotion, translation and dubbing in 15 languages.
No. Sutherland sucked. Talk about a lifeless performance.
Kayo Police
Member
Well on one hand it's nice to see a VA being passionate about a role they did. But David comes across as a little bitter to me.
Tho I remember reading something where the voice actors for Skullface and Zero in MGSV don't even remember recording their lines for the game. Why would you want to hire people like that for a project?
Tho I remember reading something where the voice actors for Skullface and Zero in MGSV don't even remember recording their lines for the game. Why would you want to hire people like that for a project?
WickedLaharl
Member
I'll just assume that this is a joke post because the scripts for four and five were hot garbage.
I have no love for hayter or kojima tho.
It's actually a lot more common than you think. Nolan North didn't even know he was recording for Portal 2 until the game actually came out.
GreyOcelot
Member
dude changed his profile pic on twitter to a picture of keifer at one point. he's totally bitter AF because he's beloved by the fanbase and the only reason he's approached by fans is because he was solid snake. because of that, he felt he had cart blanche to negotiate for the role with konami, so he did that and got a ton of money for MGS4. he said it himself. he "pushed the limits of what voice actors are paid for video games". that fact, combined with his inability to act as a an older big boss with frog/garbled voice in PW. they replaced him. it's really not that crazy. they brought in a significantly better actor who did a significantly better job in a roll for probably a similar amount of money. not much more about it than that. he readily admitted these facts
I'm sure, but the suits there are probably thinking how can we make this same amount of money by spending even less?
Reminds me of U.S. Trickle down economics.
Love Deterrence
Member
performance shurfife??????
GreyOcelot
Member
i don't disagree with that. but i think we're overestimating the relationship between hayter and kojima. they only met a small handful of times. it's not like he betrayed a good friend or something
Death Metalist
Member
I'm more into Ocelit.
Love Deterrence
Member
thats the guy who was rayzingg how???nds at mother base, right?
Each of the batman movies had completely different directors and were completely unrelated why would they think they would be back for a second one? This is like a long running sitcom changing the main character without even bothering to give them a heads up until they announce season 6.
Garrett Hawke
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Hayter's Snake sounded hotter tbh. So there's that.
Love Deterrence
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whoops meant to click on the salt and sanctuary thread
It's kind of different in the live action department but look at Kevin Conroy with animated Batman , him and Mark Hamill they basically owned the Roles of Batman and Joker for over 20 years and we're only replaced by different actors when the decided to retire from the role. When an animated Killing Joke adaption was announced Conroy and Hamill expressed interest and were instantly given the roles again after they decided to come out from retiring.
There are like 3 Snake protagonists ranging from 35 to 70 years old...
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Skullface and Zero sounded great, so why does it matter if they're attached or not?
Pretty sure that thought process is true for most voice acting performances. I doubt Troy Baker remembers half the characters he portrays in TV shows or games.
Love Deterrence
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SonicKnights
Member
MGS V was missing that extra spark not having Hayter. I missed that voice
Death Metalist
Member
Yes, he's more of a Woody though this time around.
"Boss! You shouldn't be such a stranger. Sets a bad example for the men, DD gets pretty lonely too."
Professional courtesy.
And? My parents sound almost exactly the same in their sixty's as they did in their 30's. Most people's voice's don't change drastically with age.
My mom's a smoker and she still sounds the same. Also it's not the smoking killing him in MGS4.
Yes a dying smoker should sound exactly like he did as a rookie.
This isn't like a sitcom at all, these games weren't weekly episodes where any discovery that you'd not return would be extremely short notice, a maximum term of months. There'd be years in between any such negotiations. More pertinently, Kojima isn't obligated to simply give the guy the job just because he's worked on the prequels. At all.
Hayter wouldn't have ever been in any position of certainty that a sequel was ever coming up before being hired for it anyway. He'd have been doing other jobs in the meantime. Timescale and ownership, it actually is much closer to the idea of Michael Keaton presuming WB would have kept him on for Batman Forever.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
He's been talking like this since his interview on The Codec.
But it's nothing alike since Keaton only did one batman movie. What if he had gotten 4 deep and they were all super successful.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
You dont see Christian Bale bein this salty.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Bale would return if Nolan wanted to do a 4th one.
Yeah because he quit after the 3rd movie. If he still wanted the role they wouldn't have recast it.
Because the powers that be wanted them back. Kojima evidently didn't want Hayter back. Ergo...
Keaton did two Batman movies and they were not only highly successful, they basically resurrected the character on screen...
It is an apt analogy.
Ahhh I looked it up you are right but apparently he quit because he was asked to just be a producer for the 3rd one. So he quit after the second one not that he was recast like Hayter.
The_Endgamer
Member
Dick move by Kojima but Sutherland did a solid job standing in for Hayter.
The better question to ask is if Sutherland really the bankable star Kojima thought he was getting? He's no DiCaprio / Martin Sheen / Idris Elba / Christian Bale level actor to be honest. Just a guy who's really good at TV work.
The better question to ask is if Sutherland really the bankable star Kojima thought he was getting? He's no DiCaprio / Martin Sheen / Idris Elba / Christian Bale level actor to be honest. Just a guy who's really good at TV work.
WrenchNinja
Member
Only salt here is from people upset about someone not being a fan of Kojima. But then, that's what a bronze does to you I guess.
Sora the Cat
Member
Not shitty at all, he was actually really good in MGSV. And I agree with some people here, Hayter sounds salty as f* in those quotes.
Correction: Akio Ohtsuka is Snake.