She slows down but actual aiming is unaffected. Her damage is decent up close, the only problem is that the fall-off is severe and she has problems keeping up with slippery flankers like Genji or Tracer off her thruster cooldowns since she can only ever really pick either 'chase' or 'shoot' at one compromises the other.
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Oh yeah, if Roadhog is even remotely near range, Bastion's as good as dead. He's not moving, he's huge, he has no natural armor, and you have such a big target for headshots. He's a guaranteed hook and kill. Killing him as Roadhog honestly feels like you just fired a shotgun into some legos.
lmao you might as well remove him from the game completely then. His defense is garbage tier and other players can wreck him easily. If you are going to rework on his damage output then you must increase his base defense/health.
Yep, depending on the map she is fantastic. Hanamura ftw! Currently I'm 18-3 win record with her
orthodoxy1095
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Reading Toblerone anger just gets me hot and bothered.
LMAO. That is a perfect description of what it feels like.
Shake Appeal
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I spray them around the map as a warning!! >
DBastion is a victim of how poorly some of the defense points/chokepoints in the game are designed. He'd be less of a problem if his presence didn't inherently demand team coordination in zones like Hanamura's final defense point which is pretty hard to come by in pub games. His counterplay is clear at a character level but you still need to get in and around the rest of his team taking up equally favourable positions.
LonelyGreyWolf
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It makes sense. You can't chip him and force him to move by doing little damage at a time. He's supposed to be a sentry. The self heal cancels whenever he takes damage, so he can't use it while being damaged.
Glass Shark
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The turrets are super easy to kill. He has one of the lowest pick rates in competitive. He's not overpowered.
Yeah, people keep telling me that when you find Genji's "sweet spot", he can tear everyone apart with relative ease. But that hasn't happened to me yet, and I'm becoming incredibly frustrated with using him in a match.
Hanzo is definitely one of the more difficult characters to use in the cast, but my friend (who mainly plays as him & Soldier 76) found these tips to be incredibly helpful to learn the intricacies about using Hanzo most effectively in Overwatch. Practicing Scatter Arrow in Custom Games had helped him figure out how to use it to target enemies behind corners or to flush people out of choke points, which had saved my bacon on more than one occasion.
The last paragraph is a solid good point you've made, as you can learn a lot with what to do (and what not to do) with the other characters. Like, say, charging in dick first as Reinhardt, only to miss your opponent and charge off the stage.
Not worried about Winston, mostly about offensive characters that aren't carrying their weight.
If you're playing with a consistent group, it's good to know who can't compete at that MMR.
Why would you buff him? His range is insane. Yes he is fairly easy to kill, if you can get close enough with your tank. If he has a slight brain and a proper tank its not that simple.
I like putting my sprays right before choke points when I play tank cause I know they will be staring at them while they hide behind corners. LmaoI spray them around the map as a warning!! >
In my 75 years of playing video games, there are few things as satisfying as charging with a Reinhardt and pinning someone to the wall.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Talk of Bastion buffs
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The left wall of hanamura defense Point A
Reinhardt holding up his shield spray every time
Interfectum
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This and Roadhog's hook + insta-shotgun kill. Sooo satisfying.
orthodoxy1095
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Right, let's get back to talk of that much needed Mei removal.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I think you just have really bad teammate luck lol
Although lately my eyes narrow when someone on my team picks Mei too-_-
I dunno how it is on the consoles, but Toblerone is not very good on PC.
The turrets are pretty easy to destroy with Pharah (rockets can't be shot down) and even 76 can do pretty well. Tracer can evade then by blinking around their covered zones and into the point or behind cover. Basically if you come at the turrent with more than 1 hero its completely screwed. But that requires teamwork which is often very hard to get in pubs. =/
If you want to make Toblerone worse, maybe reduce the damage on his shotgun, but even that seems too much for a guy who is basically already not good against experineced players except a few maps.
Honestly in general, it seems like it is a map problem not a Toblerone problem. Anubis Temple is the main culprit and to a lesser extent Gibraltar (right at the end), and Hollywood (right at the beginning) are completely dependant on 1 path. In a map with multiple paths, the hero is much less of a problem as you can flank the turret or go around it.
Wait, 75 years?
Anyway, I personally love using his Earthshatter Ultimate, and then piling my enemies into a charge into one of Junker's landmines.
Smiling Zarya on the archway pillar in Anubis on the choke point of A. I like to believe the frustration it causes gives me strength to hold the point.
orthodoxy1095
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I was actually cooling off on my hate thanks to some really solid GAF players using her.
Then today, I went through a few pub matches while I waited for people to get online, and I got this douche who kept icewalling us at the start of KOTH matches and then throughout the game. And was laughing about it over mic.
Ugh. I'm still salty.
Incendiary
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I think my issue with McCree is I time my Flashbangs poorly or utilize them poorly. A few times I've thrown one out expecting to be able to get a kill and they've recovered and waste me before I can finish them off. Also I have trouble aiming his fan the hammer - actually I also have the same trouble with Roadhog's ult - the kickback that doesn't occur with most other guns in the game throws my aim off every time.
The only thing more satisfying to me was defending a KOTH point and two enemies came in at the same time - I suicide charged and knocked one off into the pit and took the other with me for a double kill that was totally worth it.
I come back from Mirror's Edge to see a 30MB patch and no patch notes in a couple days. I really hope patch notes start showing up.
Go to the groups tab and click the headphone icons to switch between voice groups.
Hit P and then pick the headset next to Team.
The minute he gets off his first burst, Bastion's edge is gone. Everyone knows he's around and if the team is smart they should be looking to kill him first because he has a measly 300 health, he can't run away and he's such a big target. He's probably the most vulnerable person on the enemy team. A Roadhog that can get around 40 meters of Bastion basically means Bastion's dead. Two soldiers firing rockets and bursting him down means Bastion's Dead. A McCree who can get a Flashbang off on Bastion means Bastion's dead.
If he has Reinhardt right next to him then all you need to do is remove Reinhardt's shield or push the Reinhardt away and Bastion's right for murder. Or hell you don't even have to do that, Tracer could blink all around the map, build up meter then come in and just throw a bomb on Bastion and Recall and Bastion's dead and Reinhardt's by himself.
Yes you can do this (on PC at least). In the social menu, there should be a tab that says groups and in there you can select which Mic channel you are in. The headset that is filled in is the one you are currently in. So you can set it to be in (and even auto-join) whichever channel (s) you like.
Ranmo
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They need to patch in death match modes and a forced unskippable tutorial for objective games pronto. It's really dragging the game down.
People still think Bastion is OP? I thought we got over this.
they'll just forget the tutorial the moment they finish
Deathmatch I don't think would work with this game. The skills aren't balanced in that way. Some heroes wouldn't be useful in that mode at all. I hope they never make a Deathmatch mode. People wanting that should go play CoD.
EatinOlives
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Temple of Anubis is terrible about this. The first big doorway is such an obvious choke point it really makes me wonder what was Blizzard's logic when designing this map. Point 2 is a little better but not by much. Long-ass narrow main hallway pretty much forces attackers to always use the alternate routes. There's no instance where approaching Point 2 head on is seen as the better option.
I think Bastion hate is compounded on by how easy it is to get PotG with him. I'm far from the best Bastion (my aiming is not the best and I don't really know the optimal locations to set up my chain gun), but despite the fact that he's my least-played character every time I bring him out I get PotG no matter how mediocre I'm playing. Yesterday I got PotG despite not really doing anything. If Bastions get less front-and-center attention with constant PotGs I think the hate for him will subside.
You have to lead with McCree's fan and depending on the distance you have to start at the feet of whoever it is you're shooting at. The big trick to McCree is patience and not blowing your wad. As a McCree you have very few tools at your disposal to live and get kills. All your survival skills are also your offensive skills. So ideally if you can get a kill without a Flashbang, try to get that first and start off aiming in the middle of the character but at their feet. You should roll if that first Fan didn't drop them and they're coming after you or if you really need to get to cover.
As for McCree's last notable ability of High Noon, I tend to use it weirdly. I actually use it as a pursuit tool or for moping up. I would say about 80% of my High Noons are for killing a fleeing Lucio or anything like that. That also means though about 80% of my High Noons probably only get one kill but I think in my head one kill is better than trying to get 5 and everyone hides or they all focus fire me and I die before I do anything.
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They just need to add the ranked mode asap. I'm now part of the problem. I want to practice Widowmaker so I occasionally choose her even if it fucks up my team.
IbukiLordSA
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You monster.
I don't mind Widowmaker picks, I mind people still trying to make it work when we're clearly losing. I'm even more upset when it's someone who was doing decently as one character and switches to a Sniper for the rest of the game and does horrible.
First Junebug potg in June?
Incendiary
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Thanks for this - I'll try all this next time I play as him. Using High Noon correctly has been a gamble for me, yeah. If I don't accidentally panic use it and waste it, I usually try and save it for when I sneak up on and take out a sniper, then use the sniper's position to get a bead on a few people before letting go. Of course I only manage to actually take out the sniper 50% of the time, so.
I vote this.
He's better on consoles since you can't aim as fast. However 1 or even 2 Torbs are fine. But when there's 3+ you need a good team co-ordination to counter them.
But OT4 is 2000c....
Thank has to be the most picked and most misunderstood character in the game. A hanzo who doesn't know what he's doing can kill a team because it makes the match 6 vs 5.
Tiers are different on console because of the controls. I would also imagine that Mei is even deadlier on console.
Tiers are different on console because of the controls. I would also imagine that Mei is even deadlier on console.
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