-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
'Playstation 5 The Future of Gaming Show' had a 4 times bigger Audience than 'Xbox Games showcase"
- Thread starter prinz_valium
- Start date
- Business
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Oof. I was waiting for this. Can’t say I’m massively surprised. Microsoft’s mountain just got a lot higher...
JLMC469
Banned
Now watch how both sell out before launch day.
The PS5 will sell more than the Series X this gen.
Psykodad
Banned
What’s worse, is that the flagship Halo gameplay reveal comes right after FF VII Remake, TLOU2 and GOT respectively.
General perception of the Halo footage can't be good when people have been spoiled by PS4 games looking like that.
That's ignoring PS5s game visuals.
prinz_valium
Member
No!
Even this generation, Playstation only managed 2.5:1
X360 and Ps3 was 1:1
I guess we'll see 1.5:1 this time.
Psykodad
Banned
2:1 at least.
No way is it going to be 1.5:1 or closer.
Muselbert
Member
They always sell out, no matter what due to scalpers buying them to resell for profit. If pre-orders are low, they just give less to the stores to get it sold out. Sold out = free hype
prinz_valium
Member
Why would that be the case?
Xbox One vs Ps4 was Microsoft dropping every ball and Sony doing everything right.
This won't be repeated.
Psykodad
Banned
It's already happening.
Yoboman
Member
People are more locked into the eco systems than ever and Sony have not dropped the ball. In fact they are running away with next gen right now all over again - as the view stats in the OP indicate
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Future is in software and services. Microsoft focus on that, please.
Bryank75
Banned
3:1 in PS5 favor is my guess.... if I had to be more accurate I'd say 2.9:1.
With digital catalogs coming forward and the customer loyalty PS has plus XBox really not having anything hype. Along with Xbox games all being on PC... I just think it's going to be even harder for XBox right from the start.
29 Million views on the english version alone.
With digital catalogs coming forward and the customer loyalty PS has plus XBox really not having anything hype. Along with Xbox games all being on PC... I just think it's going to be even harder for XBox right from the start.
29 Million views on the english version alone.
Last edited:
Nickolaidas
Member
I think it's unfair to compare xsx sales with ps5 sales, since you have lots of options of where to play ms games, compared to sony games.
A better comparison now would be sales numbers of AAA games of similar genre.
A better comparison now would be sales numbers of AAA games of similar genre.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
No need. Digital games not being able to be resold meant that it is harder to change sides. Adding to that we have BC, and we get an uneven playing field. Xbox know this, this is why they are gambling on Gamepass maintaining profitability even after the expected mass exodus.
People play what their friends are playing. This generation will be the worst to lose, because there is no more hard reset.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
A good deal of PS4’s success was built from the recovery and successes accomplished with the PS3. They prepared for PS4 by making PS3 great: they have always focused on very effective generation wide support as a means to transition to the new generation.
PS5 is being built from a very very successful PS4 generation and seems to be built to take that further and in new ways too.
Last edited:
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
O believe me they didn't want all that negative reactions after all that hyping. But they knew it was coming....
The coming week theyr will be a lot of damagecontrol and spinning from Phil Spencer in many many many interviews
BlueXImpulse
Banned
WellSheet
Member
I think Sony has the strong chance to “win” again for sure.
I think we may see Microsoft’s “services” approach pay off down the road though, closing the gap. But I think launch will be different, unless anything drastically bad happens on Sony’s end - IE pricing, release date, launch line ups
One thing is certain - both companies are really waiting on the the other to draw on price and release date...it’s getting hilarious.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
As long as the gamepass money keeps flowing, they're fine. They can manage a succesful business with a reduced audience.
Lestat Phoenix
Banned
Pretty sure we will have to include phone sales, PC sales, and Xbox series x sales for xbox. Selling just a single piece of hardware is pointless in today's world. You make no money off of hardware. It is a software and service era. And they are in the lead on this..
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
The first showchase they sayd gameplaytrailers...and almost all games showed where mostley CGI and this showchase..from theyr OWN games was mostley CGI, so they repeated it....AGAIN
Last edited:
mejin
Member
O believe me they didn't want all that negative reactions after all
O believe me they didn't want all that negative reactions after all that hyping. But they knew it was coming....
The coming week theyr will be a lot of damagecontrol and spinning from Phil Spencer in many many many interviews
no doubt. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole army is working right now...paid articles from everywhere.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
Sony and Playstation disagree with you, and they will proof it again with the PS5
Last edited:
Bryank75
Banned
No they're not... they are losing money and still at 10 million subscribers. If you don't have the content, you won't grow. They just sold GamePass to people who are already Xbox customers.... but in turn probably lost 2-3 full game sales every year..... utterly stupid.
There is a reason Nintendo and Sony will keep using the traditional model.... it is the most sustainable and logical.
I mean the only people screaming for this all digital /rent my games with no other options future are xbox fans... then they will make some comment about consumer friendliness....which is just hilarious.
hemo memo
Gold Member
It doesn’t matter for Microsoft. They are not selling their console like Sony. They are selling Gamepass.
Bryank75
Banned
I suppose PS4 will sell 120+ million consoles this gen when it's all said and done.
Next gen I expect they will hit 140 - 150 million, I think 10 to 20 million will be people coming from XBox (exclusively) to either buy a PS5 in addition or just move completely.
Then I expect PC gamers who used to buy XBox to compliment their PC, to get a PS5 instead.
Next gen I expect they will hit 140 - 150 million, I think 10 to 20 million will be people coming from XBox (exclusively) to either buy a PS5 in addition or just move completely.
Then I expect PC gamers who used to buy XBox to compliment their PC, to get a PS5 instead.
Kokoloko85
Member
,
Last edited:
mejin
Member
maybe he is expecting ps5 to flop too.
Kokoloko85
Member
Lol, Thats why they made 3 console SKU’s recently?
If they are just about gamepass they should leave the console race and just make a 1st and 2nd party version of gamepass for the PS5 and Switch.
Most the comments I see are people saying they have gamepass for PC
Dabaus
Banned
I wonder what the spin will be when ps5 passes 10 million and xbox is floundering at 2-3 million sold? "Its not about hardware its about services and subscriptions and thats what we do best. Halo infinite has had 10 million views on youtube and were really excited about whats in store at xbox next" - Phile spencer, probably.
They also want a solid install base on home consoles. They won't get back the 1:1 ratio from 360 era but they could have reached a 1.5:1 ratio, even against the strong PS brand. And that's the point, Game Pass is based on the Xbox brand and the brand is declining. Game Pass needs a tremendous install base to generate some profits. Obviously they are years away from this point but with the presentation yesterday they got further away from this break even point. I don't consider it a bad show but if you compare to the lineup on Xbox One release, it lacks on 1st and 2nd party exclusives for launch. You can date every title which didn't show "Xbox One" to the end of 2021 (earliest). Sony also had a really weak PS4 lineup, even weaker than XsX but they have a strong brand and their competitor fucked up their reveal. The problem is, Sony wont fuck up the PS5 release so XsX wont gain any momentum. In fact Sony only has to keep on track, even with they abysmal communication strategy and their spare launch lineup. Every sold PS5 is one Game Pass owner less.
Psykodad
Banned
No chance. And wouldn't change the ratio.
Last edited:
Not discounting the overwhelming popularity of the Playstation brand worldwide. There was alot more unknown about the PS5. People were interested to see if the were going to unveil what the console actually looked like. Microsoft even't was a 1st party games event. If you aren't interested in Microsoft's 1st party games. Why would you watch?
Liamario
Banned
But there's no reason for the status quo to change.
PlayVerso
Member
I think that MS cannot invest as much money in a triple A as Sony does, I do not think that this business model is sustainable, that is why we are seeing so many double A games instead of triple A in GamePass, Sony is currently doing good because their exclusives sell more than ever in the past they sell many consoles and have already exceeded 40 million on PSPlus.
HelpYouFall
Member
Yesterday everyone was hopeful, today, after one meh showcase Microsoft is ready to be buried. A lot of you are such prisoners of the moment. That's even apart from the blind fanboyism (both Sony and MS btw) running rampant as always.
The cringe on this board after any con or panel is just insane haha
The cringe on this board after any con or panel is just insane haha
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Unless you have proof this showcase is an anomaly, this is where Xbox is heading. That is what showcases are for.
PSlayer
Member
No surprise here! PS4 has a bigger install base and right now the Playstation brand has way more relevance than the xbox.Also, yesterday's presentation didn't help much.
The only thing microsoft can do right now is undercut PS5's price point and hope it's enough to swing on the fence buyers.
The only thing microsoft can do right now is undercut PS5's price point and hope it's enough to swing on the fence buyers.