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[metalslimer]

I say this in every damn Vita-related topic, but it needs repeating...

Monster Hunter....that's ALL this system needed.

Price is not the problem
Proprietary stick is not the problem
Late PSX support is not the problem
Any hit 3DS game besides Monster Hunter is not the problem

People will continue to over-analyze this for years, but Monster Hunter killed the VITA, just like it gave the PSP life. Nintendo knew this, so they secured the whole fucking franchise (by whatever means).

That's it, nothing else worth discussing in "why the Vita failed".

Then what would sell it in the west? Simplifying it down to MH ignores some of the huge mistakes Sony made and puts more of the blame on Capcom/Nintendo than Sony for failing to have adequate Japanese support lined up to begin with, overengineering the thing out of range of a price drop, terrible advertising, etc.

 

[Jarmel]

So did the press conference happen already?

 

[Kandrick]

I say this in every damn Vita-related topic, but it needs repeating...

Monster Hunter....that's ALL this system needed.

Price is not the problem
Proprietary stick is not the problem
Late PSX support is not the problem
Any hit 3DS game besides Monster Hunter is not the problem

People will continue to over-analyze this for years, but Monster Hunter killed the VITA, just like it gave the PSP life. Nintendo knew this, so they secured the whole fucking franchise (by whatever means).

That's it, nothing else worth discussing in "why the Vita failed".

The bolded ones seem like a problem to me. Aside from not having MH.

 

[Gospel]

Lets recap: God Eater 2

 

[duckroll]

So did the press conference happen already?

Yes, but you didn't miss anything.

 

[boiled goose]

wow. seems this was worse than I was expecting...
Poor vita owners.

 

[Father_Brain]

Then what would sell it in the west?

Probably nothing. The gap between the audience Vita is targeting and the actual Western handheld audience (males 18-29 and kids, respectively) is far too wide.

 

[Zee-Row]

I feel so ripped off right now , i really wanted the Vita to succeed. Now i'm trying to figure out how much i can sell it for on craigslist.

 

[StreetsAhead]

The what? Is that like the PSP2 or something?

Next Generation Portable #gamechanger

That's a really good question. I guess we'll have to wait to see if it pops up tomorrow at some other publisher's booth.

I'll be interested. If it had been for Vita, between it, SS, and AC I was starting to show interest in the system. Without it, and with what was announced to day, my interest is way down.

 

[Jarmel]

Yes, but you didn't miss anything.

Jesus Christ if all the news we got is the stuff on the front page, oh man is Sony in trouble.

 

[CoconutTank]

Well I'll grab Senran Kagura and Oboro Muramasa from what I've seen.

Hey, I'll vouch for Muramasa! Beautiful game and fun to play, though it took me awhile to get used to the controls. I completed the game with both characters, but never managed to get the true ending. Even then that was a pretty full experience!

 

[AniHawk]

i was waiting until tgs because i thought if any big announcements were to happen, it would be here where the psp was so popular and sony had done well to make inroads in the handheld market.

but i guess if there wasn't anything big, i can cross that one off the list. if it doesn't have a good holiday in all regions, it won't see 2014 as anything other than a clearance item.

 

[t26]

Wait no announcement on new PS3 games?

 

[jman2050]

I say this in every damn Vita-related topic, but it needs repeating...

Monster Hunter....that's ALL this system needed.

Price is not the problem
Proprietary stick is not the problem
Late PSX support is not the problem
Any hit 3DS game besides Monster Hunter is not the problem

People will continue to over-analyze this for years, but Monster Hunter killed the VITA, just like it gave the PSP life. Nintendo knew this, so they secured the whole fucking franchise (by whatever means).

That's it, nothing else worth discussing in "why the Vita failed".

I think there was more to it but I do think Monster Hunter was the real killing blow.

 

[KillerTravis]

Wait no announcement on new PS3 games?

Gundam

 

[duckroll]

Wait no announcement on new PS3 games?

Gundam Breaker is PS3 and Vita.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Gundam Breaker is PS3 and Vita.

That's the wall game right?

 

[duckroll]

That's the wall game right?

Yes, with amazing sound fx. Lol.

 

[zroid]

So did the press conference happen already?

debatable

 

[Mr Swine]

Was the conference that bad? What big ip was announced for Vita?

 

[Beth Cyra]

Was the conference that bad? What big ip was announced for Vita?

.................

PS+ support.

 

[metalslimer]

Was the conference that bad? What big ip was announced for Vita?

Exclusively? LOL

Non exclusively? LOL

 

[Wyndstryker]

Was the conference that bad? What big ip was announced for Vita?

People say it rivals Sony 2006 E3 conference so that should say something.

 

[TDLink]

People say it rivals Sony 2006 E3 conference so that should say something.

I would say it is far worse than that. At least at 2006 we got some funny moments to laugh at. This conference literally felt like staring at a wall for 90 minutes. It even included actually staring at a wall.

 

[Cheesemeister]

Was the conference that bad? What big ip was announced for Vita?

Dat wall.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Can anyone tell me what came on?

I left the window open and it's two people doing something and it flashes PS Vita every now and then.

It's weirdly relaxing.

 

[jman2050]

Was the conference that bad? What big ip was announced for Vita?

Here, I'll list them for you:

 

[GCX]

Dat wall.

It had some great bump mapping.

 

[MrPink93485]

Eh, it was awful, but considering the expectations we had for E3 06, I think this wasn't as bad. $599 was a crushing feeling that I don't think will be replicated for quite some time, if ever.

I don't even care about the lack of game announcements. TGS has lost a lot of its luster when it comes to that, but I still am literally stunned that they raised the base price of the PS3 with their new revision.

 

[Jmanunknown]

The third party support for vita kinda sucks especially in japan. Seriously no square enix games outside of a port of final fantasy 10 which is mia and no capcom or konami games outside of a zone of enders hd port.


It seems like the third party's pulled a ps3 situation on sony with the vita and sony was caught off guard again. Their first party vita out put is just not enough to carry the vita even though soul sacrifice and tearway do look like they'll be pretty good games.

 

[Ken]

I would say it is far worse than that. At least at 2006 we got some funny moments to laugh at. This conference literally felt like staring at a wall for 90 minutes. It even included actually staring at a wall.

My interest is piqued.

 

[metalslimer]

The third party support for vita kinda sucks especially in japan. Seriously no square enix games outside of a port of final fantasy 10 which is mia and no capcom or konami games outside of a zone of enders hd port.


It seems like the third party's pulled a ps3 situation on sony with the vita and sony was caught off guard again. Their first party vita out put is just not enough to carry the vita even though soul sacrifice and tearway do look like they'll be pretty good games.

Isn't this cancelled? Or was that just a rumor.

 

[Evolution_1ne]

I feel so ripped off right now , i really wanted the Vita to succeed. Now i'm trying to figure out how much i can sell it for on craigslist.

sell it to me for 10 dollars you wont get anything higher than that, let me take this burden off your hands.........

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

where is my Dragon's Crown???!!!

 

[Beth Cyra]

The third party support for vita kinda sucks especially in japan. Seriously no square enix games outside of a port of final fantasy 10 which is mia and no capcom or konami games outside of a zone of enders hd port.


It seems like the third party's pulled a ps3 situation on sony with the vita and sony was caught off guard again. Their first party vita out put is just not enough to carry the vita even though soul sacrifice and tearway do look like they'll be pretty good games.

IF Sony was stupid enough to just assume support was going to givin to them like it seems they did with PSP and PS3 a third time then they truly deserve this.

A PS2 situation is likely never going to be seen again and they need to get over the idea of 3rd Parties throwing them exclusives.

 

[Mr Swine]

People say it rivals Sony 2006 E3 conference so that should say something.

Jesus, is Sony that clueless?

Exclusively? LOL

Non exclusively? LOL

Seems to be that way :/ so all their hyping was for nothing then???

 

[GavinGT]

I wouldn't take a free Vita at this point.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Got to say, I really hope we see FF X HD at something like Jump Festa. SE tends to show it alot of love and I want at least one screen shot or something given this is meant to celebrate the 10th Ann of X and yet to miss it so completely is seems crazy.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Ok.
That was freaking bad... but this was a pre-conference... that means that there is gonna be a TGS conference, isn't it??


Please, isn't it??

 

[nhlducks35]

I say this in every damn Vita-related topic, but it needs repeating...

Monster Hunter....that's ALL this system needed.

Price is not the problem
Proprietary stick is not the problem
Late PSX support is not the problem
Any hit 3DS game besides Monster Hunter is not the problem

People will continue to over-analyze this for years, but Monster Hunter killed the VITA, just like it gave the PSP life. Nintendo knew this, so they secured the whole fucking franchise (by whatever means).

That's it, nothing else worth discussing in "why the Vita failed".

Explain Europe and NA?

 

[GavinGT]

Ok.
That was freaking bad... but this was a pre-conference... that means that there is gonna be a TGS conference, isn't it??


Please, isn't it??

No.

 

[Nibel]

Not even Monster Hunter could save Vita

 

[disco]

So now that Soul Sacrifice has been delayed to next year, is there anything for Vita this Christmas?

 

[StreetsAhead]

So now that Soul Sacrifice has been delayed to next year, is there anything for Vita this Christmas?

In Japan? Not a whole lot, and nothing that's going to sell more than Miku, probably.

 

[TDLink]

So now that Soul Sacrifice has been delayed to next year, is there anything for Vita this Christmas?

On Vita only? No

On Vita as well as other platforms? A few

 

[Beth Cyra]

On Vita only? No

On Vita as well as other platforms? A few

Wait, I thought the new Ys game was 2012 and exclusive to Vita.

 

[Jmanunknown]

IF Sony was stupid enough to just assume support was going to givin to them like it seems they did with PSP and PS3 a third time then they truly deserve this.

A PS2 situation is likely never going to be seen again and they need to get over the idea of 3rd Parties throwing them exclusives.

I don't think they expected anything its just that I don't think they expected Nintendo to take all the 3rd party support away. At least with the PS3 they had good first party games to rely on that could sell the system. With the vita most of the resources of Sony's first party studios are probably tied up between PS3 and PS4 support and with sony's japanese end of first party support being the weak link outside of polyphony and gran turismo its a been a bumpy ride and its gonna be a bumpy ride. They need to beef up that end of support even if it means acquiring another developer even though I know its tough because of their finacially troubles.


As for the PS3 slim v2 the value of the yen is killing them right now thus thats probably the reason for no price drop.

 

[Beth Cyra]

I don't think they expected anything its just that I don't think they expected Nintendo to take all the 3rd party support away. At least with the PS3 they had good first party games to rely on that could sell the system. With the vita most of the resources of Sony's first party studios are probably tied up between PS3 and PS4 support and with sony's japanese end of first party support being the weak link outside of polyphony and gran turismo its a been a bumpy ride and its gonna be a bumpy ride. They need to beef up that end of support even if it means acquiring another developer even though I know its tough because of their finacially troubles.


As for the PS3 slim v2 the value of the yen is killing them right now thus thats probably the reason for no price drop.

This is nearly impossible for any one at Sony to be this dense.

The amount of time 3DS had before Vita launch, the success of Nintendo's franchises and the power of the system making it a great place for 3rd Parties to go needed to be throwing up red flags.

Nothing that has happened has been shocking to anyone, and it should have been even less so for the Sony.

 

[immortal-joe]

Then what would sell it in the west? Simplifying it down to MH ignores some of the huge mistakes Sony made and puts more of the blame on Capcom/Nintendo than Sony for failing to have adequate Japanese support lined up to begin with, overengineering the thing out of range of a price drop, terrible advertising, etc.

Should have specified, I meant Japan, with this being TGS and all. Furthermore, I am NOT shifting blame from Sony, for all I know they made zero effort in trying to secure Monster Hunter, they needed that game, and missed out, completely.

Terrible advertising and price are NOT problems, they were not for PSP either, and NOT for 3DS. The price drop for 3DS didn't "save it", Monster Hunter (and then the slew of software that followed) did.

The bolded ones seem like a problem to me. Aside from not having MH.
.

They are potential problems, but ALL would be minuscule if Monster Hunter continued as a "PlayStation franchise" in the eyes of Japanese gamers.

On the other hand, cheaper prices or memory cards would mean jack shit if Nintendo still took your best portable exclusive from you, one with the insane popularity of Monster Hunter.

 

[immortal-joe]

Explain Europe and NA?

Like I said, I should have specified Japan for the post, that's my bad.

NA and EU?

I'd say at least having the fucking thing alive in Japan gives us hope of a nice localization here and there, on top of the Sony-developed stuff. But how to make it a big hit? I'm just not sure there's a way back from the disease of iOS gaming in the west, at least for Sony (come at me...etc)

EDIT: Sorry DP