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[gothmog]

It's the future and in a few years time it will be the default rendering technique.

Given that were like 3 generations into Nvidia cards that support it and AMD/consoles usjust getting there with it we probably more than a few years before it's the default.

 

[leo-j]

Sony made it work so well with Spider-Man and ratchet and clank…… like it’s a nexgen thing, these ps4 gen titles upscalled just ain’t doing it

 

[rofif]

look at uncharted 4 or tlou2. If this game was using rt, it would look worse because it would be low quality rt as compared to very high quality bake pass.
Just the right mix of dynamic and baked in their games.

Rt is a cheap cop out for expensive reflections because we can’t make good cubemaps combined with ssr

 

[keefged4]

It is impressive technology-wise, but at the moment its has the equivalent benefit of setting an N64 game to it's high-res mode with the expansion pack. Not worth the massive drop in framerate. For now anyway.

 

[rofif]

Nvidia BAD GUY HRRRRR!
Meanwhile Nvidia pushing real time graphics to new heights and delivering best GPU's in the market that has no competition

this is more of a showing of filmic grade models, rather than rt honestly.
that demo barely runs

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

I have to agree to some extent. It's too demanding for console current hardware with diminishing returns. It does look good when well implemented, but I would rather use the resources for better graphics or framerate now

 

[lmimmfn]

Everyone is paying a huge premium for compute power for RT, is it worth it?
Personally I think it's a waste of cash and investment for those not interested, I only have a 4060Ti and while I love the concept if raytracing I'm only interested in regular techniques and havnt even tried raytracing.

 

[MadchesterManc]

To be fair I've never really been the biggest advocate of the hybrid RT that we have now, but having recently started playing W40K: Darktide I'd say I'm converted. Not only does the RTGI & reflections look good but it all adds to the atmosphere of the game, which the regular baked lighting & SSR can't replicate.

 

[onnextflix5]

What u been under a rock or something, most games run and look better on ps5, there is no point comparing to pc unless ur looking at something at similar price point.

And raytracing is future, end of.

 

[kingyala]

theres lots of ways to fake reflections and it doesnt need raytracing

 

[The Cockatrice]

These are the only 3 examples that I agree with you oh and maybe Control and as for the rest I agree with OP. Hogwarts is shit, Elden Ring is shit, RE4 SSR looks better, and most of the other UE4 recent games have been utter shit with RT.

 

[Pigenator]

I don't really notice any RT improvements besides reflections. I agree it's transformed into somewhat a buzzword for "shiny graphics", but at the same time it's not mature enough and current-gen consoles simply don't have the powers to run decent RT so we're probably not going to see very big improvements for now. (perhaps besides PC-exclusive games)

 

[kingyala]

To be fair I've never really been the biggest advocate of the hybrid RT that we have now, but having recently started playing W40K: Darktide I'd say I'm converted. Not only does the RTGI & reflections look good but it all adds to the atmosphere of the game, which the regular baked lighting & SSR can't replicate.

that game was designed with raytracing in mind, other games just patch up rt as some gimmick

 

[TheRedRiders]

I have mixed feelings about RT. There's so many examples of games with RTX off vs ON and the visual results are "pleasant" at best, and that's me being generous, the performance hit however is pathetic when you consider what you're getting in return. Games like Witcher 3 look slightly better with RTGI on, sure there's some slightly better shading on trees and objects but that's about it, it'll tank over half the FPS lol

On the other hand there's games like Metro Exodus which look gorgeous with the multi-bounce RTGI, one of my favourites actually. People like to blame the consoles for their RT performance but Spiderman and MM worked really well with ray-traced reflections, especially considering the heavy urban environments (lots of buildings and lots of windows), so the RT implementation worked well given the context.

There's also the benefits of RT from the development side, artists and developers will no longer have to worry about pre-baking lighting into games, and this can save a lot of time and resources and also result in more accurate lighting.

There's no doubt that companies like Nvidia have been making a strong marketing push for ray-tracing since Turing, and it's mainly because it's the key advantage they have over their competition. I think we're years off before RT becomes mainstream, I don't think it's as impressive as things like micro-polygon rendering systems like Nanite when it comes to visual results, but hopefully the implementations improve over the years, I won't expect anything too drastic or game-changing though.

 

[Turk1993]

this is more of a showing of filmic grade models, rather than rt honestly.
that demo barely runs

Nvidia: "NVIDIA RTX enthusiasts can download Marbles RTX and experience Omniverse’s advanced capabilities in real-time ray- and path-traced rendering"

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/05/27/omniverse-marbles-rtx-playable-sample/

that demo barely runs

It runs at roughly 100fps 3440*1440p now and i remember that it run roughly 40fps+ on a RTX3090.

 

[kingyala]

He doesn't know what he is talking, he thinks that RT is Nvidia exclusive marketing gimmick.

Even Epic themeself say that games with dynamic worlds need to have compromises or you need a static world to bake everything in (which lots of games currently do). And thats where RT comes in place and makes that dynamic world look good all the time without compromise.

starts at 1:25

last time i checked ue5 doesnt use hybrid rt as u have it in ur gimmicky patched games.. ue5 uses their own gi technology that runs on software and only recently updated to support hardware and lumen uses sdf and voxel tracing not expensive raytracing

 

[kingyala]

I have mixed feelings about RT. There's so many examples of games with RTX off vs ON and the visual results are "pleasant" at best, and that's me being generous, the performance hit however is pathetic when you consider what you're getting in return. Games like Witcher 3 look slightly better with RTGI on, sure there's some slightly better shading on trees and objects but that's about it, it'll tank over half the FPS lol

On the other hand there's games like Metro Exodus which look gorgeous with the multi-bounce RTGI, one of my favourites actually. People like to blame the consoles for their RT performance but Spiderman and MM worked really well with ray-traced reflections, especially considering the heavy urban environments (lots of buildings and lots of windows), so the RT implementation worked well given the context.

There's also the benefits of RT from the development side, artists and developers will no longer have to worry about pre-baking lighting into games, and this can save a lot of time and resources and also result in more accurate lighting.

There's no doubt that companies like Nvidia have been making a strong marketing push for ray-tracing since Turing, and it's mainly because it's the key advantage they have over their competition. I think we're years off before RT becomes mainstream, I don't think it's as impressive as things like micro-polygon rendering systems like Nanite when it comes to visual results, but hopefully the implementations improve over the years, I won't expect anything to drastic or game-changing though.

exactly and for such reasons baked lighting is here to stay and rt will be used for specific games according to the artistic direction. some games just dont need rt.. for instance this resi4 rt is pointless, hair strands are pointless, and only God knows why they added sub surface scattering on skin like who really is interested!

 

[poppabk]

last time i checked ue5 doesnt use hybrid rt as u have it in ur gimmicky patched games.. ue5 uses their own gi technology that runs on software and only recently updated to support hardware and lumen uses sdf and voxel tracing not expensive raytracing

What?

 

[Turk1993]

theres lots of ways to fake reflections and it doesnt need raytracing

So RT is expensive to use and you want to mirror render the whole scene and character which it still is not as accurate and you think thats the way to go. Show me a modern game that does that that is not located in a indoor room and has dynamic lighting. small rooms and non dynamic scenes are easy, thats why you never see that in a big open world game like Spiderman. Was this your render friendly RT alternative .

last time i checked ue5 doesnt use hybrid rt as u have it in ur gimmicky patched games.. ue5 uses their own gi technology that runs on software and only recently updated to support hardware and lumen uses sdf and voxel tracing not expensive raytracing

So Control, Metro and Cyberpunk are gimmicky patched games now right, they didn't launch with RT . You are funny i give you that.

Also
"Lumen is a hybrid tracing pipeline that uses Software Ray Tracing"
https://www.lunas.pro/news/lumen-ray-tracing.html#:~:text=Lumen is a hybrid tracing,low-resolution model of it.

"Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled."
https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/lumen-technical-details-in-unreal-engine/

"Lumen is based on ray-tracing, albeit a more optimized, hybrid form of it"
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/unreal-engine-5-lumen-vs-ray-tracing-which-one-is-better/

 

[kingyala]

What?

Lumen
Use Hardware Ray Tracing when available	Uses Hardware Ray Tracing for Lumen features when supported by the video card, RHI, and operating system. Lumen will fall back to Software Ray Tracing otherwise. Hardware Ray Tracing has significant scene update costs for scenes with more than 100,000 instances. See Ray Tracing Performance Guide for information.
Ray Lighting Mode	Controls how Lumen Reflection rays are lit when Lumen is using Hardware Ray Tracing. By default, Lumen uses Surface Cache for best performance, but can be set to Hit Lighting for Reflections for higher quality.
Software Ray Tracing Mode	Controls which tracing method Lumen uses when ray tracing the scene. Detail Tracing traces against individual mesh's Distance Fields for the highest quality. Global Tracing traces against the lower detail Global Distance Field for fastest traces.
Hardware Ray Tracing
Support Hardware Ray Tracing	Enables ray tracing from supported operating systems, RHI, and video cards for higher quality results.
Software Ray Tracing
Generate Mesh Distance Fields	Whether to build distance fields of Static Meshes. This is needed for Software Ray Tracing with Lumen and Distance Field Ambient Occlusion which is used to implement Movable Sky Light shadows and ray-traced distance field shadows on Directional Lights. Enabling this increases build times, memory usage and disk size of Static Meshes.
Distance Field Voxel Density	Determines how the default scale of a mesh converts into Distance Field Voxel dimensions. Changing this causes all distance fields to be rebuilt. Large values consume memory very quickly.

 

[poppabk]

Lumen
Use Hardware Ray Tracing when available	Uses Hardware Ray Tracing for Lumen features when supported by the video card, RHI, and operating system. Lumen will fall back to Software Ray Tracing otherwise. Hardware Ray Tracing has significant scene update costs for scenes with more than 100,000 instances. See Ray Tracing Performance Guide for information.
Ray Lighting Mode	Controls how Lumen Reflection rays are lit when Lumen is using Hardware Ray Tracing. By default, Lumen uses Surface Cache for best performance, but can be set to Hit Lighting for Reflections for higher quality.
Software Ray Tracing Mode	Controls which tracing method Lumen uses when ray tracing the scene. Detail Tracing traces against individual mesh's Distance Fields for the highest quality. Global Tracing traces against the lower detail Global Distance Field for fastest traces.
Hardware Ray Tracing
Support Hardware Ray Tracing	Enables ray tracing from supported operating systems, RHI, and video cards for higher quality results.
Software Ray Tracing
Generate Mesh Distance Fields	Whether to build distance fields of Static Meshes. This is needed for Software Ray Tracing with Lumen and Distance Field Ambient Occlusion which is used to implement Movable Sky Light shadows and ray-traced distance field shadows on Directional Lights. Enabling this increases build times, memory usage and disk size of Static Meshes.
Distance Field Voxel Density	Determines how the default scale of a mesh converts into Distance Field Voxel dimensions. Changing this causes all distance fields to be rebuilt. Large values consume memory very quickly.

So raytracing.

 

[Turk1993]

So raytracing.

This guy doesn't even read his own posts anymore

 

[kingyala]

So RT is expensive to use and you want to mirror render the whole scene and character which it still is not as accurate and you think thats the way to go. Show me a modern game that does that that is not located in a indoor room and has dynamic lighting. small rooms and non dynamic scenes are easy, thats why you never see that in a big open world game like Spiderman. Was this your render friendly RT alternative .


So Control, Metro and Cyberpunk are gimmicky patched games now right, they didn't launch with RT . You are funny i give you that.

Also
"Lumen is a hybrid tracing pipeline that uses Software Ray Tracing"
https://www.lunas.pro/news/lumen-ray-tracing.html#:~:text=Lumen is a hybrid tracing,low-resolution model of it.

"Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled."
https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/lumen-technical-details-in-unreal-engine/

"Lumen is based on ray-tracing, albeit a more optimized, hybrid form of it"
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/unreal-engine-5-lumen-vs-ray-tracing-which-one-is-better/

raytracing is a broad term, in atraditional sense raytracing means actually millions of rays bouncing around the scene and back to the camera and this is too expensive in realtime exactly why its expensive than lumen.. lumen uses sdf and voxels for its tracing which is cost effective and similar to traditional raytracing techniques that worked even on a ps4

Software Ray Tracing Mode

Controls which tracing method Lumen uses when ray tracing the scene. Detail Tracing traces against individual mesh's Distance Fields for the highest quality. Global Tracing traces against the lower detail Global Distance Field for fastest traces.

 

[bender]

 

[kingyala]

So raytracing.

that is a wide word, when i thought we where talking about traditional rendering techniques vs hardware rtx thats used in games like control.

 

[Turk1993]

raytracing is a broad term, in atraditional sense raytracing means actually millions of rays bouncing around the scene and back to the camera and this is too expensive in realtime exactly why its expensive than lumen.. lumen uses sdf and voxels for its tracing which is cost effective and similar to traditional raytracing techniques that worked even on a ps4

Software Ray Tracing Mode

Controls which tracing method Lumen uses when ray tracing the scene. Detail Tracing traces against individual mesh's Distance Fields for the highest quality. Global Tracing traces against the lower detail Global Distance Field for fastest traces.

that is a wide word, when i thought we where talking about traditional rendering techniques vs hardware rtx thats used in games like control.

 

[marjo]

You seem overly emotionally invested and full of hot takes in almost every post.

Maybe he owns AMD stock.

 

[kingyala]

you should try reading instead of jumping to conclusions,..

Lumen provides two methods of ray tracing the scene: Software Ray Tracing and Hardware Ray Tracing.

• Software Ray Tracing uses Mesh Distance Fields to operate on the widest range of hardware and platforms but is limited in the types of geometry, materials, and workflows it can effectively use.
• Hardware Ray Tracing supports a larger range of geometry types for high quality by tracing against triangles and to evaluate lighting at the ray hit instead of the lower quality Surface Cache. It requires supported video cards and systems to operate.

 

[JimboJones]

There will be a crossover point where trying to achieve improvements with rasterized hacks will actually be more expensive than raytraced methods.

 

[Turk1993]

you should try reading instead of jumping to conclusions,..

Lumen provides two methods of ray tracing the scene: Software Ray Tracing and Hardware Ray Tracing.

• Software Ray Tracing uses Mesh Distance Fields to operate on the widest range of hardware and platforms but is limited in the types of geometry, materials, and workflows it can effectively use.
• Hardware Ray Tracing supports a larger range of geometry types for high quality by tracing against triangles and to evaluate lighting at the ray hit instead of the lower quality Surface Cache. It requires supported video cards and systems to operate.

No, you should just know when to stop when you are clearly wrong and stop flip flopping. You said cleary that those so called gimmicky games have hybrid RT while lumen is the one thats using hybrid RT. Lumen is literally ray tracing as i implified just like the games that uses them that i mentioned. Thats why i posted it in the first place since you was against RT. So take your own advice and read before jumping to conclusion.

 

[Warablo]

Still not worth the 25-40 fps hit unless you got a massive fps already.

 

[kingyala]

No, you should just know when to stop when you are clearly wrong and stop flip flopping. You said cleary that those so called gimmicky games have hybrid RT while lumen is the one thats using hybrid RT. Lumen is literally ray tracing as i implified just like the games that uses them that i mentioned. Thats why i posted it in the first place since you was against RT. So take your own advice and read before jumping to conclusion.

no games like control and rtx raytracing use traingle hardware raytracing which is more accurate and expensive and lumen uses software raytracing that uses sdf's not triangles its called hybrid because of this while rtx raytracing is called hybrid because it's mixed with traditional raster techniques ut only traces objects inside a bounding box.... lumen is doing what other traditional gi techniques have done like voxel cone tracing and the like while rtx runs on hardware and actually traces triangles more expensive more accurate and its what the topic is about here.

 

[kingyala]

He doesn't know what he is talking, he thinks that RT is Nvidia exclusive marketing gimmick.

Even Epic themeself say that games with dynamic worlds need to have compromises or you need a static world to bake everything in (which lots of games currently do). And thats where RT comes in place and makes that dynamic world look good all the time without compromise.

starts at 1:25

Understanding the difference between Lumen and Ray Tracing​

Lumen is a hybrid tracing pipeline that uses Software Ray Tracing. It traces against the depth buffer first, which we call Screen Traces, then it traces against the distance field and applies lighting to ray hits with the Surface Cache. Lumen takes any given scene and renders a very low-resolution model of it. Light behavior in this low-res model is then recorded, and a rough lightmap is created. This lightmap is then used to trace the path taken by every ray in the scene. Then, the output lighting is upscaled and displayed as a cube map. The engine does all the heavy lifting, and Lumen does not affect the assets gathered in a scene.

Thus, it is an innovative solution to the highly intensive hardware-accelerated ray tracing method. Because the Lumen method uses upscaling, flickering may occur at high resolutions. Ray Tracing does not have this drawback, as it does not use upscaling. Lumen also provides Hardware Ray Tracing. It supports a range of geometry types by tracing against triangles and evaluating lighting where the rays hit. Hardware Ray Tracing is more accurate but more expensive.

 

[Turk1993]

no games like control and rtx raytracing use traingle hardware raytracing which is more accurate and expensive and lumen uses software raytracing that uses sdf's not triangles its called hybrid because of this while rtx raytracing is called hybrid because it's mixed with traditional raster techniques ut only traces objects inside a bounding box.... lumen is doing what other traditional gi techniques have done like voxel cone tracing and the like while rtx runs on hardware and actually traces triangles more expensive more accurate and its what the topic is about here.

Understanding the difference between Lumen and Ray Tracing​

Lumen is a hybrid tracing pipeline that uses Software Ray Tracing. It traces against the depth buffer first, which we call Screen Traces, then it traces against the distance field and applies lighting to ray hits with the Surface Cache. Lumen takes any given scene and renders a very low-resolution model of it. Light behavior in this low-res model is then recorded, and a rough lightmap is created. This lightmap is then used to trace the path taken by every ray in the scene. Then, the output lighting is upscaled and displayed as a cube map. The engine does all the heavy lifting, and Lumen does not affect the assets gathered in a scene.

Thus, it is an innovative solution to the highly intensive hardware-accelerated ray tracing method. Because the Lumen method uses upscaling, flickering may occur at high resolutions. Ray Tracing does not have this drawback, as it does not use upscaling. Lumen also provides Hardware Ray Tracing. It supports a range of geometry types by tracing against triangles and evaluating lighting where the rays hit. Hardware Ray Tracing is more accurate but more expensive.

 

[Buggy Loop]

This thread will age like milk

• But but X game here shows how much RT is not needed! Look how pretty!
  • Ah yes, i bet it can look pretty. How many artists? How many of them spent time on lighting to even try to mimic a fraction of realism? Ask 4A Games if they ever want to not go full RT from now on after doing both render techniques.
  • They're often very static, like we're talking no time of day changes, no advanced physics like making holes in a wall, etc.
• Nvidia propaganda!
  • That's it. You got it. Nvidia brought "maths" to computing hardware, shocking. Consortium made of the major APIs and GPU manufacturers, all agreed to Nvidia's evil plan. You got it.
• This and that implementation sucks!
  • Oh yes, many. Most often AMD optimized or at the least console focused implementation with no efforts on PC, as in RT shadows.
• Why even bother with RT? LOOK AT LUMEN?
  • Lumen is RT. A solution of the many possible solutions for it, much like Crytek's SVOGI solution, is an offshoot of using RT on a simplified model to accelerate it, while Nvidia goes balls deep in the accuracy, they're all RT solutions.
  • Lumen uses multiple ray-tracing methods to solve Global Illumination and Reflections. Screen Traces are done first, followed by a more reliable method.
  • Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled. (which on PC, enabling with RT accelerated hardware is basically the same performance as software RT)
  • Because of the surface cache view, there's places where the technology fails
    • Reflections are not as accurate, as proper RT is using higher geometry, still uses SSR to help.
    • deformable / dynamic objects are not part of the GI equation

After the wave of tsunami envelops every games with a ton of UE5 games that support Lumen (RT solution), there's no going back.

Highly dynamic games where you simply can't pre-bake the lighting or have artists tune it because... well you either destroy or construct in that world, such as :





Open world games don't even look remotely the same gen with proper RT.

Dying light 2

Every dynamic GI games that have spots that should be shadowed look ridiculous in rasterization

The ONLY enabled artistic postprocessing on either screenshot are Bloom and DoF - Imgsli

Metro Exodus EE

Lumen OFF VS ON

 

[MaKTaiL]

Ray traced global illumination is the only Ray Tracing that matters and even then EPIC already has a cost effective similar solution with Lumen which with enough updates can completely fill that job.

 

[kingyala]

i see ur just a troll...

This thread will age like milk

• But but X game here shows how much RT is not needed! Look how pretty!
  • Ah yes, i bet it can look pretty. How many artists? How many of them spent time on lighting to even try to mimic a fraction of realism? Ask 4A Games if they ever want to not go full RT from now on after doing both render techniques.
  • They're often very static, like we're talking no time of day changes, no advanced physics like making holes in a wall, etc.
• Nvidia propaganda!
  • That's it. You got it. Nvidia brought "maths" to computing hardware, shocking. Consortium made of the major APIs and GPU manufacturers, all agreed to Nvidia's evil plan. You got it.
• This and that implementation sucks!
  • Oh yes, many. Most often AMD optimized or at the least console focused implementation with no efforts on PC, as in RT shadows.
• Why even bother with RT? LOOK AT LUMEN?
  • Lumen is RT. A solution of the many possible solutions for it, much like Crytek's SVOGI solution, is an offshoot of using RT on a simplified model to accelerate it, while Nvidia goes balls deep in the accuracy, they're all RT solutions.
  • Lumen uses multiple ray-tracing methods to solve Global Illumination and Reflections. Screen Traces are done first, followed by a more reliable method.
  • Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled. (which on PC, enabling with RT accelerated hardware is basically the same performance as software RT)
  • Because of the surface cache view, there's places where the technology fails
    • Reflections are not as accurate, as proper RT is using higher geometry, still uses SSR to help.
    • deformable / dynamic objects are not part of the GI equation

After the wave of tsunami envelops every games with a ton of UE5 games that support Lumen (RT solution), there's no going back.

Highly dynamic games where you simply can't pre-bake the lighting or have artists tune it because... well you either destroy or construct in that world, such as :





Open world games don't even look remotely the same gen with proper RT.

Dying light 2

Every dynamic GI games that have spots that should be shadowed look ridiculous in rasterization

http://[URL]https://imgsli.com/MTQwMjc3

[/URL]

Metro Exodus EE

Lumen OFF VS ON

lumen is not hardware raytracing and doesnt trace traingles its a hybrid raytracing that uses sdf hence why it is more performant than ur hardware rt solutions that tank frame rates.. what lumen is doing is similar to voxel cone tracing

 

[SlimySnake]

Wow. this completely changes the look of the level. What were the devs doing originally lmao. Did they forget something called shadows?

What game is it?

 

[Buggy Loop]

i see ur just a troll...

lumen is not hardware raytracing and doesnt trace traingles its a hybrid raytracing that uses sdf hence why it is more performant than ur hardware rt solutions that tank frame rates.. what lumen is doing is similar to voxel cone tracing

Its raytracing

Even Nvidia is using approximations to accelerate the process compared to "true ray tracing" or we wouldn't even be having "real-time" RTX in games even now.

You made your thread on ray tracing, not this solution or the ray tracing that is hitting triangles rather than mesh. I don't give a fuck, devs don't give a fuck, it's ray tracing. Teardown is full blown software ray tracing too. Crytek's solution too.

Solutions ! Gosh, imagine that, taking ray tracing maths you want and implement them how you want on a math focused machine (computers). Incredible.

Spoiler: Pssst

This is ray tracing too

 

[Turk1993]

i see ur just a troll...

lumen is not hardware raytracing and doesnt trace traingles its a hybrid raytracing that uses sdf hence why it is more performant than ur hardware rt solutions that tank frame rates.. what lumen is doing is similar to voxel cone tracing

Only one trolling is you, you are literally contradicting yourself.

Its raytracing

Even Nvidia is using approximations to accelerate the process compared to "true ray tracing" or we wouldn't even be having "real-time" RTX in games even now.

You made your thread on ray tracing, not this solution or the ray tracing that is hitting triangles rather than mesh. I don't give a fuck, devs don't give a fuck, it's ray tracing. Teardown is full blown software ray tracing too. Crytek's solution too.

Solutions ! Gosh, imagine that, taking ray tracing maths you want and implement them how you want on a math focused machine (computers). Incredible.

Spoiler: Pssst

This is ray tracing too

This guy must be trolling or he can't read properly. He is saying ray tracing is ray tracing but not ray tracing.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Wow. this completely changes the look of the level. What were the devs doing originally lmao. Did they forget something called shadows?

What game is it?

Satisfactory

Again a game that is highly dynamic since its a building game. There's no "artists" that can make sense of these open world building games and start to pencil shadows at every possible configurations.



For sure a linear/non dynamic game, rasterization has life for that still, with many artists. Still, at the bare minimum, after UE5 everything will follow. Hardware Lumen has no penalty vs software Lumen on PC, next gen consoles will simply follow suit and have hardware Lumen for better accuracy.

 

[Loomy]

Software Ray Tracing Mode

Controls which tracing method Lumen uses when ray tracing the scene. Detail Tracing traces against individual mesh's Distance Fields for the highest quality. Global Tracing traces against the lower detail Global Distance Field for fastest traces.

The literal first sentence. In red for emphasis...

 

[kingyala]

Its raytracing

Even Nvidia is using approximations to accelerate the process compared to "true ray tracing" or we wouldn't even be having "real-time" RTX in games even now.

You made your thread on ray tracing, not this solution or the ray tracing that is hitting triangles rather than mesh. I don't give a fuck, devs don't give a fuck, it's ray tracing. Teardown is full blown software ray tracing too. Crytek's solution too.

Solutions ! Gosh, imagine that, taking ray tracing maths you want and implement them how you want on a math focused machine (computers). Incredible.

Spoiler: Pssst

This is ray tracing too

this thread is about hardware rt... not about just any raytracing technique... the op is tired of hardware rt being pushed in games to no visual gain and hes used examples such as re4 which tanks frame rates for pointless rt... and im explaining that games dont need expensive hardware rt at the moment traditional raster adn hybrid rt techniques work
just as good.. and as ive explained lumen doesnt trace triangles like how hardware rt does its exactly why its so performant similar to older dynamic gi techniques... the whole argument in this thread is whether hardware rt is essential vs better performance.. and the answer is no

 

[Turk1993]

this thread is about hardware rt... not about just any raytracing technique... the op is tired of hardware rt being pushed in games to no visual gain and hes used examples such as re4 which tanks frame rates for pointless rt... and im explaining that games dont need expensive hardware rt at the moment traditional raster adn hybrid rt techniques work
just as good.. and as ive explained lumen doesnt trace triangles like how hardware rt does its exactly why its so performant similar to older dynamic gi techniques... the whole argument in this thread is whether hardware rt is essential vs better performance.. and the answer is no

 

[Buggy Loop]

 

[ResilientBanana]

Lighting makes all the difference for a game. People probably said something similar when it came to 3D.

 

[kingyala]

Only one trolling is you, you are literally contradicting yourself.


This guy must be trolling or he can't read properly. He is saying ray tracing is ray tracing but not ray tracing.

your trolling becuase your not explaining anything other than reposting your gif collection... time and time again.. u just look immature... your interested in arguing about semantics rather than the actual topic... in your reasoning games are also cgi just as pre renderd films because they are computer graphics and all phones are personal computers because they are computers!... the argument is about hardware rt vs hybrid rt/ traditional raster techniques so get with it and stop slapping out gifs becuase u cant explain yourself

 

[SirKicksalot]

What's hilarious to me is the difference between Metro's original ray tracing mode and the enhanced edition. The original mode was the most advanced and incredible thing out there and the EE just shits all over it and runs better.

 

[kingyala]

seems this thread is turning to a meme! thread from all this nonesense gifs u keep posting...

 

[Elder Legend]

The only thing that's not meaningful is this thread. Ray-tracing is awesome if done right.