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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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FunkMiller
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Germany and France are going to get more Ukrainians killed.
funkygunther
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RAÏSanÏa
Member
Since it's the weekend...in my more wild speculations kept separate from the main files there's one that has these nations in on the invasion from the start at some level of traditional control. Too many connections between those nations and Russia for them not to have known. Money and history. Imperialism, French aristocracy and German Uradel and Hochadel. Keeping power at any cost, but their own, as technology changes civilization putting more real power in the hands of individuals. There was some room planned for political maneuvering based on public and world reaction. But unexpected was the Ukrainian resistance, world response and Russian failure.
These corrupted entrenched parasites of the old Imperial order in France and Germany need Ukraine to lose something to keep, as the Ukrainians pointed out, the Imperial basis of the Russian threat alive. If everything goes back to before February 24th then that may not ever be a threat again by permanently crippling that branch of aristocratic Christianity.
Ill pass, im not watching Russian propaganda that tries to glorify and justify their war crimes.
I remember when people celebrated Macron winning re-election because the presumption was that he would now be able to shift his focus to supporting Ukraine. Oh how wrong we all were.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Since it's the weekend...in my more wild speculations kept separate from the main files there's one that has these nations in on the invasion from the start at some level of traditional control. Too many connections between those nations and Russia for them not to have known. Money and history. Imperialism, French aristocracy and German Uradel and Hochadel. Keeping power at any cost, but their own, as technology changes civilization putting more real power in the hands of individuals. There was some room planned for political maneuvering based on public and world reaction. But unexpected was the Ukrainian resistance, world response and Russian failure.
These corrupted entrenched parasites of the old Imperial order in France and Germany need Ukraine to lose something to keep, as the Ukrainians pointed out, the Imperial basis of the Russian threat alive. If everything goes back to before February 24th then that may not ever be a threat again by permanently crippling that branch of aristocratic Christianity.
I’d balk at a notion that France or Germany had prior knowledge of any planned Russian invasion, but I certainly grow more and more convinced it suits Germany and France to prevent Russia being weakened any further. It also suits them for this war to end with Ukraine ceding land to Russia.
Macron and Scholz look to have more readiness to put time and effort into their relationship with Putin than they do Biden or Johnson. And that is frankly sickening.
Fuck anyone who continues to support the words of appeasement coming out of the Elysee and the Reichstag. History will hopefully not forget this.
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Tams
Member
Remove this Russian propaganda.
mxbison
Member
Well, half assed support is probably still a lot better than what Le Pen would've done.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Hopefully it's more rapid than they think.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Nah, I want him alive to see whats going to happen to his country the next few years.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Fucking shameful what France and Germany are doing tbh... but no one is hounding them.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Gives me "Ghost of Kiev" vibes.
Not entirely on topic, but there are huge anti-regime protests going on in Iran at the moment and its a bit frustrating to know that Russians could be heading out to the streets in similar numbers to protest the war yet they choose not to. Yes there are risks to it but the Iranians are also facing huge risks.
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Thaedolus
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Lex Fridman Podcast: #289 – Stephen Kotkin: Putin, Zelenskyy, and War in Ukraine on Apple Podcasts
Show Lex Fridman Podcast, Ep #289 – Stephen Kotkin: Putin, Zelenskyy, and War in Ukraine - May 25, 2022
podcasts.apple.com
I’m not sure if this has been posted or not but this was a fascinating convo I listened to while on a long ass drive this week
NoLootBoxDev
Member
ShadowNate
Member
Well someone watched Season 4 finale of Breaking Bad
NoLootBoxDev
Member
Hope it is true and more to come!!!!
Fuck Putin
Fuck Putin
NoLootBoxDev
Member
Tams
Member
A shame. His content may* often be good, but I simply can't stand listening to him. His voice drives me to levels of dullness and boredom like no other.Lex Fridman Podcast: #289 – Stephen Kotkin: Putin, Zelenskyy, and War in Ukraine on Apple Podcasts
Show Lex Fridman Podcast, Ep #289 – Stephen Kotkin: Putin, Zelenskyy, and War in Ukraine - May 25, 2022podcasts.apple.com
I’m not sure if this has been posted or not but this was a fascinating convo I listened to while on a long ass drive this week
*I have no idea as I simply can't listen to him.
Ironbunny
Member
It had the same effect on me first but then I checked few podcasts of him that really interested me and got hooked. Kotkins episode was good though.
akimbo009
Gold Member
GymWolf
Gold Member
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
His podcast is only bearable, when he does not have there pro-Russian idiots and you are doing something which you find joy in, while listening to it.
nemiroff
Gold Member
I found that this guy gives a good dose of aggregated updates from the war, and he's giving both the bad and the good news mostly like it is within the constrains of what's possible to fact check by a single Ukrainian in a basement with ruzzians raping and pillaging around him.
Gp1
Member
Finally some action around Kherson. Time to at least push the Russians to the river
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...counterattack-against-russian-forces-underway
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...counterattack-against-russian-forces-underway
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
In fact they understand attempts to appease as weaknesses.
In other news tomorrow is may 31 - reportedly a significant amount of orcs are on a short 3 month contract that expires tomorrow. Wether their masters will allow them to leave is unknown and what will they do when that happens also unknown. Reportedly some have begun already asking for release papers. Evolving situation.
akimbo009
Gold Member
It's not appeasement. US MLRS systems can fire ballistics, ~300-500km. That would be giving the Ukrainians something that really would escalate - especially if they did start targeting behind the line targets. Would probably trigger further escalation within Russia itself and cause other issues. Plus, they aren't heavy ordinance like the typical missiles used - which is more what Ukraine needs and also go ~120km which meets to exceeds what the Russians have. Definitely more accurate and not cluster munitions which Russia uses (which have a high failure rate - Ukraine will be using far superior missles).
Anyway - Biden has done anything but appease Russia.
Biden's terminology is pretty vague and it hasn't really been said that he's sending over systems with shorter range capabilities either. The whole 'reach Russia' tidbit is confusing because most weapons can reach Russia if they're deployed close enough to its border.
Anyway I hope the administration will be clarifying this soon.
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akimbo009
Gold Member
I mean, a grenade could. I think this just means no ballastics. Like I said, normal armament here is a huge upgrade with the risk associated with introducing undeniably offensive oriented weapons.
mxbison
Member
Read a comment by a specialist who said the description "Rapidly progressing and 3 years left to live" doesn't really fit any form of cancer.
I think there's a lot of wishful thinking involved. Let's just hope we can get rid of him as soon and painful as possible in whatever way.
Wildebeest
Member
Not sure about these China takes.
He says China officially has a massive amount of food reserves. Is this a tactic to use food as a diplomatic weapon? As a weapon, it might not be so good because like Russia, China also has a lot of corruption and petty theft. If those food stockpiles get audited or opened up to ship across the world, they might just accidentally burn down first. Who knows what is actually in them? Another thing is that there is no reason to think the stockpiles are not there because the CCP is not shitting itself over the state of internal agricultural and the fear of a revolution if people start to go hungry. It would be much better PR for them internally if there actually were global famines, but life in China went on normally due to the forward planning of the CCP. This was the propaganda strategy they used for the pandemic, which is failing now, like their food security strategy would probably also fail.
Tams
Member
Wildebeest
The PRC struggle to feed their population in peace time, even now.And they have much of the same institutional corruption that Russia has. Why else would things like buildings falling down be far more common there than in many other countries? It's all about saving face, makign money, and looking good to the Communist Party.