To think Scorn was supposed to come out in 2017.
If we consider SMT as 'at peak' XSX CPU runs at 3.6ghz so that's even smaller differenceAt peak, what is the difference between the two CPUs? 300mhz, right? Is that enough to make a huge difference? When I OC my CPU from 3.5 ghz to 4.5 ghz I got a boost but it wasn't life changing in games
But the main purpose of the variable clocks it's to relocate power when it's not being used _ so if it's the CPU that is under heavy use, for example in a physics intensive scenario, it's for the CPU that the system shifts power.There is also the issue of potentially the PS5 reducing the CPU further to keep the GPU at full frequency.
How much it drops, and how often we dont really know yet.
That's the exact opposite (yes i know you're trolling) both companies invested in the SSD I/O architecture to lessen the use of the CPU in the storage related tasks.It's got to do a lot of throttling because that darn SSD is just too fast.
Hey don't call my console a plastic box you you...I do actually. Zealots on both sides of the console war love their plastic boxes too much.
There is no such thing as a zero cost abstraction layer (and the PS5 SDK will also have those), although the cost is usually very small. What the other poster said is true.This is simply not true, but it is affirmative to your rhetoric and that includes "muh bottlenecks".
Ebb Software is a small Serbian game development studio founded in 2013 with ten full time team members.To think Scorn was supposed to come out in 2017.
Plus he’s right, I’ll take a faster CPU for better performance over one SSD’s slightly faster loading times over another SSD.
Imagine playing games instead of spreading your thin interpretation of third hand information on complex technology on gaming forums.By keeping it simple. Games.
The CPU is important, so it's a good thing both next gen machines have a good CPU. Yet a CPU is only as good as the devs you have at your disposal to use it......I think now that the CPU's are great on both sides, the SSD is indeed the gamechanger as can be seen in that UE5 demo and perhaps we will see even more impressive use of the SSD's from Sony first party.
Sure, but if the PS5 GPU is at it max of 2.23ghz, and there is unused CPU power, it wont be diverted to the GPU at all, as its already at its peak and cant go past that point.But the main purpose of the variable clocks it's to relocate power when it's not being used _ so if it's the CPU that is under heavy use, for example in a physics intensive scenario, it's for the CPU that the system shifts power.
So for the GPU to be cranking at full 2.23ghz, the CPU wont be cranking at full 3.5ghz at the same time.
You will notice I said "cranking at full". That means full workload.This is not true, workload is not the same at the same frequency. Check how boost works in the first Intel cores where AVX-256 was added and AVX-512 too.
Yes. I think resolution may be scaled back slightly on PS5. But really, it's not something anyone will notice outside of a digital foundry analysis.Given the specs are now in the open, it's clear that the Series X isn't that much of a jump over PS5 to offer any substainial uplift to titles.
A game that runs at 4k 30fps on PS5 won't "maigically" be able to run at 4K AND 60fps on Series X.
The real battle will be done with RT features and asset streaming which is where the SSD comes into play. I expect Series X to offer slightly better RT features but the PS5 to offer significantly better asset streaming which will actually make titles look and play better on that system. Obviously the Series X has SSD so there will be improvement over the previous gen but I beleive the PS5 is the better thought out machine for developers to get the most out of.
Even if the resolution on the PS5 is slightly beaten by Series X, I feel games will still look better due to higher quality assests, texture quality and less 'pop-in'.
4K is somewhat of a fools errand, even with the power of Series X...
I doubt we ever will know. It is obvious Sony is trying to sweep it under the rug by mentioning it once with some marketing speak and never again but happy to discuss tempest and SSD. Looks like the media let them off the hook unlike 2013 were they rightfully grilled Microsoft and the bullshit DRM. Every interview should lead with asking for hard numbers on the variable clocks to hold Sony to.
Fair point, though taking it as a whole package I would still argue that the faster cpu, gpu, higher ram count and larger ssd is still the better alternative to just a faster ssd.
though sony could prove me wrong on that front, and I’d be fine with that.
CPU is faster by 100 to 300Mhz, which is not even up to 10%. Real world will be negligible
SSD is more than twice as fast.
LOL
I hope you're trolling, but in case you are not; In what possible metric is an additional ~4% CPU performance going to show anything even remotely noticeable in a game?You will.
Once the games come.
not doing a very good job thensomebody: says ps5 is better in some way
gaf: wrong! the xbox is better
somebody: says xbox is better in some way
gaf: wrong! ps5 is better
me: avoids threads like these.
Not to the extent some people here think. If we were talking just a 300mhz advantage the 25%boost in GPU speed on the PS5 makes up for having a slightly slower CPU. If it’s anything like it is on PC try overclocking your CPU by 300mhz you won’t see a big difference in performance maybe a 2-3 more FPS.I can understand this, but cpu on sex is what? 10% faster than ps5 cpu?!
Does it really make a huge difference between the 2 console?
So... Let me get this right: even though Series X has a more powerful CPU than PS5 (and everything else aside from SSD) , thats not a big deal because they both are generational leap from this gen.The CPU is important, so it's a good thing both next gen machines have a good CPU. Yet a CPU is only as good as the devs you have at your disposal to use it......I think now that the CPU's are great on both sides, the SSD is indeed the gamechanger as can be seen in that UE5 demo and perhaps we will see even more impressive use of the SSD's from Sony first party.
You will notice I said "cranking at full". That means full workload.
I'm talking about intensive work, at full speed.
So... Let me get this right: even though Series X has a more powerful CPU than PS5 (and everything else aside from SSD) , thats not a big deal because they both are generational leap from this gen.
But because PS5 has the faster SSD, even though the both have super fast SSD's, the PS5's is still noteworthy????
Hmmm...
Seems that's not the only memo you lost. Literally everything else in Series X is more powerful than what you get in the PS5 aside from the SSD. And they both have exceptional SSD's. PS5 is just faster. I'll give em that...I lost the memo where XSX’s CPU is 2x as fast... mmh...
The CPU speed difference will barely be noticeable.So... Let me get this right: even though Series X has a more powerful CPU than PS5 (and everything else aside from SSD) , thats not a big deal because they both are generational leap from this gen.
But because PS5 has the faster SSD, even though the both have super fast SSD's, the PS5's is still noteworthy???? I mean, like, you literal literally to ignore everything else in the Series X to put the SSD in the PS5 on this massive pedestal like people are doing..
Hmmm...
If you say so champ.The CPU speed difference will barely be noticeable.
Seems that's not the only memo you lost. Literally everything else in Series X is more powerful than what you get in the PS5 aside from the SSD. And they both have exceptional SSD's. PS5 is just faster. I'll give em that...
Yeah I say so chump.If you say so champ.
Aside, none of this stuff is simply an increase on its own. You have to account that every part in both systems works in tandem with the others. Its when you add it all up is where having better performance, visuals, assets streaming etc is when things come into perspective. And that's not even mentioning the software assists that'll come into play. This is why having more powerful hardware in nearly every way will make a big difference. Just my take...
Yeah, this is my biggest concern. Remember Routine?However, at the same time I also can't stop feeling that they are bitting more than they can chew....
Aww! You in yo feelings boo boo? LMAO!Yeah I say so chump.
No shit! Isn’t that how every console made works all hardware working in tandem to run games.
So... Let me get this right: even though Series X has a more powerful CPU than PS5 (and everything else aside from SSD) , thats not a big deal because they both are generational leap from this gen.
But because PS5 has the faster SSD, even though the both have super fast SSD's, the PS5's is still noteworthy???? I mean, like, you literal have to ignore everything else in the Series X to put the SSD in the PS5 on this massive pedestal like people are doing..
Hmmm...
Lol...I can‘t take anything you say seriously after a post like that. Try again you and the OP are the biggest Xbox cheerleaders on GAF.Aww! You in yo feelings boo boo? LMAO!
So why champion the SSD in the PS5 as if that's all these systems will offer? As I said, you literally have to ignore every other spec in the Series X to put the PS5 SSD on a pedestal like you dudes are doing. Its beyond ridiculous, especially when you consider Series X has its own super fast SSD as well.
That says all need be said right there.
Again. Overall, it is what it is. Nothing will change that. You've got balls to even talk about "lose". Its not about winning or losing. Its the fact that since the SSD is the one thing Sony fans can champion over the Series X, its apparently what next gen is all about. And I mean, its literally the only thing you guys rant and race about because that the one thing, the ONE THING the PS5 has over the Series X. Anyone with even a modicum of a brain understands why you guys literally mention NOTHING ELSE. There's a reason for that. You know why, just like everyone else does.Lol, you lose no chance to try to wave your e-peen like that. Nobody is arguing that the CPU in XSX is faster overall, nobody is arguing that XSX has faster shader throughput, but you still go at it as if you were a poster child for the Xbox fan who only cares about winning something and the opponent being a POS loser.
It seems like it is all about making your victory sound total and minimise the PR impact of your losses.
If XSX has an advantage you take it as factual and as a great victory, if PS5 has an advantage you need receipts and still you minimise it as if did not matter that much...
You exaggerate and also land on the wrong side of things IMHO, as we discussed many times before (but audio processing does. It matter, geometry pre processing does not matter, better async compute efficiency doesn’t not matter, SSD does not matter... 1s faster loading performance)and there are pros and cons to the approach to SMT support and performance impact of virtualisation, but you do you.
The same thing that happens to positive Sony News.Look...you still have a chance. Theres only like 20 comments. DELETE THIS THREAD.
Don't you know what happens to positive XBox news?
Cheerleaders? For telling the truth??? Oh, you mean cause I'm not spouting off the narrative you wanna hear?Lol...I can‘t take anything you say seriously after a post like that. Try again you and the OP are the biggest Xbox cheerleaders on GAF.
Pretty pathetic
Given the specs are now in the open, it's clear that the Series X isn't that much of a jump over PS5 to offer any substainial uplift to titles.
A game that runs at 4k 30fps on PS5 won't "maigically" be able to run at 4K AND 60fps on Series X.
The real battle will be done with RT features and asset streaming which is where the SSD comes into play. I expect Series X to offer slightly better RT features but the PS5 to offer significantly better asset streaming which will actually make titles look and play better on that system. Obviously the Series X has SSD so there will be improvement over the previous gen but I beleive the PS5 is the better thought out machine for developers to get the most out of.
Even if the resolution on the PS5 is slightly beaten by Series X, I feel games will still look better due to higher quality assests, texture quality and less 'pop-in'.
4K is somewhat of a fools errand, even with the power of Series X...
Yeah run away like the like a little child like you always do, oh no someone said the CPU is only slightly better on the XsX so I‘m going to make believe he said something entirely different.Cheerleaders? For telling the truth??? Oh, you mean cause I'm not spouting off the narrative you wanna hear?
Oops! Lol.
I'm done. You guys believe what you will. We'll just have to see when the consoles release.
We really dont know what advantages one have over the other quite yet. The SSD is highly touted because its the fastest one ever created put into a console that took further step to eliminate the i/o bottle necks in a time when devs have been clamoring for an SSD standard. Give credit where its due my man.The only reason the SSD is the main focus of conversation is because it's the main (if not only) advantage of the PS5. If the console designs were flipped between Sony and Microsoft, no one would shut up about the TFLOPS and the velocity architecture instead.
I get it. Sony loves to do exotic things with their console. The cell on the PS3, the super fast SSD on the PS5. Just remember how Sony hyped the cell and how that turned out. I'm not saying the exact same thing will happen again. What I am saying is, that skepticism on PR talk is healthy.
Your retort was legendary! Lmao. Thanks for your contribution.. Let's do lunch...Lol...I can‘t take anything you say seriously after a post like that. Try again you and the OP are the biggest Xbox cheerleaders on GAF.
Pretty pathetic
GPU clock of an 2080Ti is lower than an 2070 Super.The GPU CU clock is faster on PS5 .... just for info. Just over 20% faster in fact.
Z fuck???Yeah run away like the like a little child like you always do, oh no someone said the CPU is only slightly better on the XsX so I‘m going to make believe he said something entirely different.
Read my post again #130 I never brought up anything else besides the slight bump in CPU speed and you get all spazzy thinking I was talking about your precious XsX as a whole. Get over yourself and grow up to have a normal conversation between adults instead of acting like someone personally insulted you.
It's game development focus. AI is pretty far down on the totem poll when it comes to resources, time, personnel because consumers are more excited for flashy graphics or celebrity faces or whatever the latest trend is.I don't think current gen CPUs were holding back A.I
F.E.A.R came out in 2005 and still has better A.I than most games nowadays
Do people not understand that the XSX has a built in SSD too? They each thier pros and cons but at the end of the day there going to be pretty close.Given the specs are now in the open, it's clear that the Series X isn't that much of a jump over PS5 to offer any substainial uplift to titles.
A game that runs at 4k 30fps on PS5 won't "maigically" be able to run at 4K AND 60fps on Series X.
The real battle will be done with RT features and asset streaming which is where the SSD comes into play. I expect Series X to offer slightly better RT features but the PS5 to offer significantly better asset streaming which will actually make titles look and play better on that system. Obviously the Series X has SSD so there will be improvement over the previous gen but I beleive the PS5 is the better thought out machine for developers to get the most out of.
Even if the resolution on the PS5 is slightly beaten by Series X, I feel games will still look better due to higher quality assests, texture quality and less 'pop-in'.
4K is somewhat of a fools errand, even with the power of Series X...
Only if I get to pick and choose and you pay, I’m not eating at a place you pick it’ll probably suck and have slow service.Your retort was legendary! Lmao. Thanks for your contribution.. Let's do lunch...