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Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It gets reposted several times?Don't you know what happens to positive XBox news?
It gets reposted several times?Don't you know what happens to positive XBox news?
Jack in the Crack (Box) doesn't suck. What?? You don't like Crispy chicken sandwiches, you fiend???Only if I get to pick and choose and you pay, I’m not eating at a place you pick it’ll probably suck and have slow service.
Again. Overall, it is what it is. Nothing will change that. You've got balls to even talk about "lose". Its not about winning or losing. Its the fact that since the SSD is the one thing Sony fans can champion over the Series X, its apparently what next gen is all about. And I mean, its literally the only thing you guys rant and race about because that the one thing, the ONE THING the PS5 has over the Series X. Anyone with even a modicum of a brain understands why you guys literally mention NOTHING ELSE. There's a reason for that. You know why, just like everyone else does.
If the PS5 came in at the rumored 13Tf (like many were touting would be the case) this entire conversation would be solar system levels of different. Don't get bent broski. Its not that serious. Its just vidja games.
Yes they can be both at full power, read Cerny explanation (quoted underneath) and you aren't understanding the power budget concept:Sure, but if the PS5 GPU is at it max of 2.23ghz, and there is unused CPU power, it wont be diverted to the GPU at all, as its already at its peak and cant go past that point.
Both the CPU and GPU cannot be at full power at the same time, obviously.
So for the GPU to be cranking at full 2.23ghz, the CPU wont be cranking at full 3.5ghz at the same time.
How much power the CPU has to drop by to make sure the GPU is at full tilt we dont know.
Might only be 100mhz for all we know.
That's not it, power is diverged when it's not being used, read the full articleSo we have to have less pretty, effects, graphics whatever they choose when the CPU is under heavy use. Sounds very compromised to me. Yeah most of us probably won't notice unless its a 400% DF zoomed in shot but it doesn't fill me with confidence.
Edited for sourceThe CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two," adds Cerny. "If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower
Only if I get to pick and choose and you pay, I’m not eating at a place you pick it’ll probably suck and have slow service.
It gets reposted several times?
Do people not understand that the XSX has a built in SSD too? They each thier pros and cons but at the end of the day there going to be pretty close.
I know someone that owns a Chuck E. Cheese franchise.You ever been to Chuck E. Cheese?
Suuuuuuure
I know someone that owns a Chuck E. Cheese franchise.
Yep lol.GPU clock of an 2080Ti is lower than an 2070 Super.
It‘s just the usual suspects rattling the cage, you say something factual they don‘t agree with about a console and think it’s directed to them.It seems my Michael Jackson popcorn gif was not unwarranted. Get a grip guys, Jesus.
You ever been to Chuck E. Cheese?
Suuuuuuure
It still seems pretty popular to pretend like XsX doesn't have ultra fast storage bandwidth too. I have multiple SAT SSDs in my PC and the XsX SSD shits on all of them, PS5 much more so, of course. But both are awesome
Actually tbh the ssd on series x is probably no faster then what pcs have now
It seems my Michael Jackson popcorn gif was not unwarranted. Get a grip guys, Jesus.
It‘s just the usual suspects rattling the cage, you say something factual they don‘t agree with about a console and think it’s directed to them.
It probably wont be able to hit 60 fps on PS5.The Xbox Series X exclusive Scorn may be a visual powerhouse for next-gen gaming, but the hardware-intensive ray-tracing lighting will only be included if it doesn’t sacrifice the game’s 60fps performance target.
Scorn game director Ljubomir Peklar told us that, while the developer is currently experimenting internally with ray-tracing for ambient occlusion and shadows on Xbox Series X, the next-gen lighting setup will not be included if it botches performance.
That's fair enough but why is it even mentioned. Why is not the maximum possible for both stated like all console spec reveals since I can remember and be done.Yes they can be both at full power, read Cerny explanation (quoted underneath) and you aren't understanding the power budget concept:
they both have a power budget sealing at capped clocks, if one of them is not being used is transferred to the other, even if the other is at max clock _ in this situation it's the max wattage (the 'power budget' sealing) that is increased, giving it more headroom to maintain performance.
That's not it, power is diverged when it's not being used, read the full article
Edited for source
I think everyone knows who they are.Name the names.
It's that new paradigm thing i thinkThat's fair enough but why is it even mentioned. Why is not the maximum possible for both stated like all console spec reveals since I can remember and be done.
Mark Cerny sees a time where developers will begin to optimise their game engines in a different way - to achieve optimal performance for the given power level. "Power plays a role when optimising. If you optimise and keep the power the same you see all of the benefit of the optimisation. If you optimise and increase the power then you're giving a bit of the performance back. What's most interesting here is optimisation for power consumption, if you can modify your code so that it has the same absolute performance but reduced power then that is a win
I just hope it's not a boost being used for marketing purposes for the TF contest. Because I and I'm sure others would rather have it running at lower TF as long as its reasonably quiet and not really hot. Cool if it does work well, hopefully we'll find out later this year.It's that new paradigm thing i think
somebody: says ps5 is better in some way
gaf: wrong! the xbox is better
somebody: says xbox is better in some way
gaf: wrong! ps5 is better
me: avoids threads like these.
GPU clock of an 2080Ti is lower than an 2070 Super.
meanwhile the reality will be like this:
Digital Foundry: "as you can see Call of Duty 42's dynamic resolution runs at an average of 10% higher on Series X as you can clearly see in this side by side at 400% zoom, meanwhile as you can see at this 200% slowed down clip, the assets over at that wall on the other end of the map get streamed in half a second faster on PS5"
You don't play games 400% zoomed in? You're missing out, bruh
OK, let's play games with your house.The walls at my house are lower than those of the local library.
Everything is a damage control when it does not match what you want to hear.
Seems like you wanted a different reply. Too bad you will only hear what I want, not what you want.
Seems like not supporting your plastic box of choice is "PR".
Isnt that basically your circlejerk in a nutshell ?
Complaining about posts not being framed to highlight your cause is the "PR" you speak of. You are not in any way answerable to how a post should be worded and what counts as "PR".
Difference being he has the dev kit. No need to use additive conjunctions.
This is simply not true, but it is affirmative to your rhetoric and that includes "muh bottlenecks".
I guess we will never know now will we? according to the article you posted in the OP didnt microsoft strike a deal for this game to be exclusive? from what i gathered they even locked it in it seems at the last minute which would lead me to think they probably were working on a ps5 version at some point.Its not just the the XSX CPU at is 10-15% faster than PS5 CPU clock at max clock. A game's performance is a product of many factors like CPU, GPU, RAM speed etc. They are somehow able to hit 60 fps on Xbox Series X
Scorn developer will only include ray-tracing if it doesn't sacrifice performance
The Xbox Series X exclusive Scorn may be a visual powerhouse for next-gen gaming, but the hardware-intensive ray-tracing lighting will only be included if it doesn’t sacrifice the game’s 60fps performance target. Scorn game director Ljubomir Peklar told us that, while the developer is currently...mspoweruser.com
It probably wont be able to hit 60 fps on PS5.
Plus he’s right, I’ll take a faster CPU for better performance over one SSD’s slightly faster loading times over another SSD.
At one point it was multiplatorm.it must be true you know since he's developing for both o wait.......
it must be true you know since he's developing for both o wait.......
When I made the Xbox Velocity Architecture thread, some guys replied with the "What do devs think of PS5" ResetEra post to make a point and it has been used to prove the "Most devs like PS5" point. So, I made the "What do devs think of Xbox Series X" post and update it when relevant. And I think this interview demands an inclusion in that list.
Some of them are very out of context likeNope, majority are 3rd party devs. Do some research instead of spewing crap. So, cut the crap
So, uh, about that "Sony Dev React" thing that is still going after 26 pages. From what I've gathered on this thread :
Kurt Margeneau (Naughty Dog) ---> Sony dev
Anthony Newman (Naughty Dog) --> Sony dev
James Cooper (no studio currently) --> Not Sony dev anymore
Andrew Maximov (Promethean AI) --> Not Sony dev anymore
Randy Pitchford (Gearbox) --> Not Sony dev
Matt Philips (Big Evil Corp) --> Not Sony dev
Mike Evans (ex AMD) --> Not Sony dev
Robert Boyd (Zeboyd Games) --> Not Sony dev
Andrea Pessino (Ready at Dawn) --> Not Sony dev
Dale North (composer) --> Not Sony dev
Olivier JT (VR audio) --> Not Sony dev
Jason Nuyens (Breakfall) --> Not Sony dev
Which again is something i would prefer over slightly faster loading times. Both systems are using SSD so both will have super fast loading times regardless, I just want higher performance for the gameplay, and while something like 60fps dropping down to 56-58 is hardly noticeable, a game like asscreed dropping from 30 to 26-27 would be. Though this generation has been a weird one in terms of which version is better than the other despite power gaps. Another factor I keep forgetting is development lead, like how we frequently see capcom games perform better on ps4 pro than the X (like MHW and RE)300mhz isn't going to make a huge difference, maybe 1-2 fps here and there, especially if the goal is 30 or 60 fps for next-gen.
? What are you talking about? I’m not saying SSD isn’t important and nor is the article, I’m saying that the CPU upgrade is overshadowed by the SSD hype, but it’s just as important if not a bit more.
Aint no one trying to downplay the SSD, or say it’s not important but let’s not get tunnel vision and forget what else these consoles are packing that are truly beyond a singular generational upgrade.
somebody: says ps5 is better in some way
gaf: wrong! the xbox is better
somebody: says xbox is better in some way
gaf: wrong! ps5 is better
me: avoids threads like these.
At one point it was multiplatorm.
When I made the Xbox Velocity Architecture thread, some guys replied with the "What do devs think of PS5" ResetEra post to make a point and it has been used to prove the "Most devs like PS5" point. So, I made the "What do devs think of Xbox Series X" post and update it when relevant. And I think this interview demands an inclusion in that list.
Some of them are very out of context like
Would you kindly show me where they stated ps5 would be holding back?This game is so cool, I’ve been interested in it since they debuted it 2 years ago. Really glad to hear they’re pushing the technical limitations to the max, love everything about this game from the art style to the horror themes, hope they push that horror side hard.
Not a surprise they’re using series X exclusivity to push the game as hard as possible and not be brought down to work on other consoles (PS5 and current gen).
theres a deal in place with ms, its talked about briefly in the very first post of this thread. Its funny how some are using its exclusiveness now to make a point that the game isnt possible like it would be on xbox, ive read most of the interviews and i havent heard them draw any comparisons to next gen psx at all. so it seems a bit hypocritical for some to interject how they feel it should play out and then trying to use the exclusive deal as evidence when theres no statements that ive come across that show ps5 would not be parrell with performance.Did they have a PS5 Dev kit then? I doubt that this could not in some way been done on the PS5, they may just need to compromise and I'm sure MS will have made it worth their while not to bother, I very much doubt it is just because they are 'lazy devs'.
Would you kindly show me where they stated ps5 would be holding back?
Well I’m not a fan of Devs war talk from both sides while the facts are so obvious to the public but still people are blind .. oh wait ?!
what are the facts ?
GAMES
You mean Halo Infinite, Flight Simulator, Everwild, Hellblade II, Project Mara, Bright Memory Infnite, Medium and Scorn. And all of that before the actual game reveal event in July.Great more talking and promises. Show games that prove how important it is. That Inside Xbox "Gameplay" Premiere did NOT cut it.
I'm tired of just hearing why Series X will be so powerful. I'm tired of hearing why quality Xbox exclusives should be expected soon, yet after year. Let's SEE it.
And where are Sony's PS5 games ? Ofcourse they have also not yet done their reveal event like Xbox. But Xbox has already shown a lot before the actual event.Show games that prove how important it is.
I read the entire context of what he stated, before and after. Him saying ssd is overblown is not him connecting or comparing to what he was talking about in current gen hardware... all he said was the cpu would be the biggest obstacle for them making next gen games. where does that say ps5 was or would be holding them back?Sir.. just please open your eyes it’s here :
We didn’t [want to bring Scorn to current-gen consoles] because we want our game to be played at 60FPS. That would be close to impossible without big sacrifices. Next-gen is about responsiveness, smoothness and a lot less time wasting. The problem with these features is that they are not easy to sell in videos or screenshots.”
With so much focus on Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 revolving around the move from mechanical hard drives to solid state storage, Peklar believes that the biggest change between this generation and the next is on the pure power afforded by the CPU at the heart of Series X.
“Everyone is touting the SSD as the next big thing, and yes SSDs will help a lot with loading and moving assets, but the biggest culprit that is creating problems in the current generation is the CPU,” Peklar explained to us. “That’s where the biggest difference compared to current generation will come from.”
Did you catch it ? come on do I need to explain it again ?
Great more talking and promises. Show games that prove how important it is. That Inside Xbox "Gameplay" Premiere did NOT cut it.
I'm tired of just hearing why Series X will be so powerful. I'm tired of hearing why quality Xbox exclusives should be expected soon, year after year. Let's SEE it.
Jack in the Crack (Box) doesn't suck. What?? You don't like Crispy chicken sandwiches, you fiend???
And where are Sony's PS5 games ? Ofcourse they have also not yet done their reveal event like Xbox. But Xbox has already shown a lot before the actual event.
You mean Halo Infinite, Flight Simulator, Everwild, Hellblade II, Project Mara, Bright Memory Infnite, Medium and Scorn. And all of that before the actual game reveal event in July.
And where are Sony's PS5 games ? Ofcourse they have also not yet done their reveal event like Xbox. But Xbox has already shown a lot before the actual event.