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Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal delayed to remove "Intimacy Mode" from PS4 version in the West; Steam version is intact
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danielberg
Neophyte
Eh my response to this censorship nonsense is basically the same the japan women's institute of contemporary Media Culture gave to the UN after they proposed banning media depicting sexual violence.
Which was a savage burn of the UN, it had gems in it like this “The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.”
You can read the entire translation of the statement here
Which was a savage burn of the UN, it had gems in it like this “The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.”
You can read the entire translation of the statement here
Venus Lucifer
Banned
No one's calling the cops. Just not seeing the fuss at Sony going "nah".
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
This cracked me up for some reason xD
danielberg
Neophyte
Its not like anyone can change sonys mind to not jump on the sjw bandwagon just as marvel comics and Hollywood bailed and you even have a study now suggesting "getting woke" and implementing sjw rules is the fastes way to crash your business. Its just stupid to repeat others mistakes even more stupid when all others bail, sony is just so slow they are late to a dying trend is all lol
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The Mad Draklor
Member
If it is insignificant to remove the mode, then it’s also insignificant to keep the mode.
Venus Lucifer
Banned
I literally have no idea what you're babbling on about.
The Chairman
Member
Dont worry Lucifer, Anime children will be protected at all costs from molestation, western countries knows how to protect these poor anime kids.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
And if I was Sony and vehemently wanted NOT to showcase minors in sexual situations in my platform, well, I would not have created something akin the TLoU: Left Behind scene.
Venus Lucifer
Banned
Nice graph. But rape in Japan is notoriously underreported. Women getting sexually assaulted in trains is such a big problem that they've resorted to women-only trains. Pedophiles with actual child porn possession convictions get slapped on the wrist... as I'm sure you know,
The Chairman
. So, not sure what your point is.
Anyway, this is getting off-topic, as I didn't bring up real-life assault.
The Chairman
. So, not sure what your point is.Anyway, this is getting off-topic, as I didn't bring up real-life assault.
Are you seriously comparing an innocent kiss with molestation? Dude.
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Enygger_Tzu
Banned
Nice graph. But rape in Japan is notoriously underreported. Women getting sexually assaulted in trains is such a big problem that they've resorted to women-only trains. Pedophiles with actual child porn possession convictions get slapped on the wrist... as I'm sure you know,
Anyway, this is getting off-topic, as I didn't bring up real-life assault.
Are you seriously comparing an innocent kiss with molestation? Dude.
I am comparing a sexual act of 2 14 year old girls (you know, underage) with sexual act of 17+ year old girls.
The Chairman
Member
How do you know that there is a lot of unreported rape cases in Japan if its you know.... is not reported?Nice graph. But rape in Japan is notoriously underreported. Women getting sexually assaulted in trains is such a big problem that they've resorted to women-only trains. Pedophiles with actual child porn possession convictions get slapped on the wrist... as I'm sure you know,
Anyway, this is getting off-topic, as I didn't bring up real-life assault.
Are you seriously comparing an innocent kiss with molestation? Dude.
Dthomp
Member
Once again folks are going to far to the extreme here. These are not children...this is a video game...and fans like it. Just because you don't, or think it's dumb is no reason to go into a thread and bash the shit out of fans of a series who are upset. Whether they are upset about censorship or just the removal of a crazy mode, who cares? Everybody has to make things way to personal online these days. If you don't like the series that's perfectly fine just leave the thread and find another. I can't stand certain series, hence I avoid those threads instead of insulting the fans of said series. Hopefully we can get back on topic here about the game, the censorship, or people still having hope for this title.
TLDR: This game is not about molesting children...shouldn't have to say this....
TLDR: This game is not about molesting children...shouldn't have to say this....
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WaterAstro
Member
No, the content has everything to do with censorship when it is politically involved and becomes law. I'm not agreeing entirely with Sony because of Super Seducer, but this case has more merit.
Someone else talked about Omega Labyrinth Z, another game banned by Sony. Here it is banned by Australia: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/02/why-omega-labyrinth-z-was-refused-classification-in-australia/
And Canada is similar to Australia in banning fictional child porn.
Not accurate, as Venus said, the cultural difference and mentality in Japan has these offenses unreported.Dont worry Lucifer, Anime children will be protected at all costs from molestation, western countries knows how to protect these poor anime kids.
You want evidence of unreported child abuse? Here's an update to your chart: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...-exceeds-30000-cases-first-half/#.W8YbJHtKhaQ
Child abuse cases doubled from your 2014 statistics in 2017 because Japan pushed for public awareness. Unreported cases are being reported, and it makes that stat skyrocket.
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Venus Lucifer
Banned
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.html
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...t-shame-review-breaking-a-nations-taboo-about
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/22/asia/shiori-ito-japan-metoo-intl/index.html
Where is this happening? You sound fragile.
Give me a break. A kiss is not "sexual".
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
I am more than sure that the target audience does not view it this way.
Dthomp
Member
Not fragile, possibly misread some of the above posts where folks seem to be stopping in just to shit on this series. Alas people trying to turn this thread into a rape study of some sort, and trying to get people back to discussion about the game and less about all this other nonsense.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
Correct you are, my apologies, will post only things that regard the game and the decision from now on.
WaterAstro
Member
I don't mind and watched ero anime and a season of Senran Kagura. I'm just putting out possibilities of why Sony banned this feature.
The example I just put up about Australia's banning of Omega Labyrinth Z because of "sexual stimulation of fictional children or child-like characters" is really telling about why Sony banned that game, and Senran Kagura is the same.
I think it's naive to just say "censorship is bad" while it is law in some countries and, overall, the majority of people aren't comfortable with this subject matter.
Dthomp
Member
I agree with ya on the censorship thing, I read some of that Omega article and the thing that I’m not sure how you policy is that age of consent in Japan is 13. Hence I think why so many of the girls in these games look 16-18 because their main audience there views sex and intimacy at a much younger age then in other countries
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
Sony had 0 problems publicize to the rest of the world games that were banned in AU in the past, even a game like South Park: Stick of Truth, which had pedophilia depicted in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia
Dthomp
Member
My hope is that maybe xseed will consider releasing an Asian/American version we can get from Playasia uncensored.
TheDuskwalker
Member
Sony gave a excuse while not giving a excuse response.
"Like it's different, like I can't explain why it's different but it totally is........ask someone else!"
"Like it's different, like I can't explain why it's different but it totally is........ask someone else!"
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WaterAstro
Member
That's the thing. Stick of Truth was released a while ago, and that's why that tweet came up. Sony might ban South Park in the future, but they aren't going to do anything with games already released.
Which answers this post...
No, that's not what they are saying. The person says it strangely, but Sony's standards have changed, not the mode, so they aren't allowing it anymore.Sony gave a excuse while not giving a excuse response.
"Like it's different, like I can't explain why it's different but it totally is........ask someone else!"
They can't ban previously released games, but they can control what's coming out.
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Enygger_Tzu
Banned
I understand that, but then, a person from this very forum asked them to clarify and explain what those new standards are, and where we can read and as consumers be informed about them and he got a dismissive non-answer of "Go talk to the publisher" for a decision that had everything to do with the platform holder.
That is not being honest with your buyer base, that is not being transparent.
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
I’m really conflicted about this.
On the one hand, I’m generally against censorship.
On the other hand, seeing weebs getting all upset over a waifu-molesting simulator is more entertaining than the game itself.
On the one hand, I’m generally against censorship.
On the other hand, seeing weebs getting all upset over a waifu-molesting simulator is more entertaining than the game itself.
The Mad Draklor
Member
And on the other hand, a lot of people mistake the defense of the principle of creator freedom as getting upset over a removed feature.
You know, you said the same thing in the other thread and I already explained how your points do not follow coherently. This is no different as you don’t explain the “how” part. You claim that the person worded things strangely. Strangely, how?
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lifa-cobex
Member
Normally I would stand by that. This game is a great big NOPE for me.
But i don't for one second believe it will end with the things that I don't personally like.
I'm a big fan of horror. Films these days have little effect on me. It's all garbage, by the numbers jump scares. I have to get my fix from games. I can absolutely see company's encroaching on that genre "FOR THA CHILDRENZ". It's too scary . Make it it more inclusive etc etc"
It's easy for someone like me to give it the "ahh fuck it" attitude when it's something you don't like. But I know eventually people are gonna start fucking with the shit I love.
Also I'm pissed from a financial standpoint.
Taking shit from a product whilst having the gaul to charge a full price is really fucking not on.
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Silent Duck
Member
TheDuskwalker
Member
If by strangely you mean he literally talks about games being different in his first sentence and this says there may have been a change to the mode that doesn't meet there standards anymore, than yes he said it strangely..... I mean what you said is the actual reason but that isn't what he said, that's you changing it to what he actually meant but that's not how he actually wrote it. His wording was intentionally trying to make it look like a change to the game instead of acknowledging it's a change to Sony's own politics, while then telling the person to ask the publisher of the game instead of actually clarifying anything he said himself.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
That was what I was telling him yesterday. Even now, he’s still convinced that he’s not misconstruing words.
Ulysses 31
Member
Nevermind, it's already out on PS4 in JPN and uncensored there.
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drotahorror
Member
They should put nipples in the game now, the anime has them. PC version will have them too.
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petran79
Banned
Actual in-game models have plasters over their tits and genitals. If modders remove them there is a texture gap. Modders had to re-edit the models and add actual nipples and genitals
danielberg
Neophyte
I dont even really care because i buy all games on pc if possible at all and only the rest exclusives on consoles for the simple reason that the pc will be around in the future while all my old consoles.. i dont even remember where they are or if they still work lol Never even played the game but i always fear this censorship stuff will spread or at least become the norm and scare away jap devs and then i am pissed.
drotahorror
Member
Right, and this has happened on previous SK games on PC. Not sure if all of them have had this treatment but 1 or 2 of them have, as I've looked it up.
petran79
Banned
Some Estival VS costumes do work on Beach Splash models but not the opposite due to newer model differences. Someone even added nudity to Bon Appetit rhythm game recently. If not for the mods, I wouldnt even bother with this game. Hate titilations of that kind
drotahorror
Member
I like the SK chicks but dislike the games, never would buy them (although I'm leaning on getting Burst somewhere down the road just to support them for not censoring the Steam version as lame as that sounds). I do think they should go all out though if it's gonna be rated Mature anyway.
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InterMusketeer
Member
All these games have been rated and cleared for release in the US and elsewhere. Sony can object to any game or feature for their platform, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their decision.
Well, we now know the Asian version of the game is already available on PS4 in its unaltered, complete form. So it's obvious Sony is capable of releasing games where such content is allowed, and prevent distribution in locations where it is not.
CatCouch
Member
I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion, it's moving into the territory that made me leave other sites. I keep seeing the same contradictory claims to justify censorship that always bothers me. You know, posts arguing something has to be censored due to severe issues like rape and child abuse while sitting next to posts saying the content doesn't matter, it's too little to care about, not a hill to die on and so forth. I get the impression that the conversation is driven by biased views against or for the content, especially when it gets personal.
I really hope there will be a solid site (not a forum) in the future that treats these issues with respect and not insults, snarky responses or political sides (modern game journalism relies on all 3 to a painful degree). I'm surprised all these years later that no sites have propped up to cut around the facetious bickering that overtakes almost every conversation on the net. There's a big opportunity for that. YouTube has some people making progress but I want to see some place lay out these issues without emotional responses like bringing child abuse in to scare people into siding with you. You can do that with anything and we have in the past with school shootings and such being blamed on games. I'm just seeing a repeat of that these days only with sexual content. Depressing.
Don't get me wrong, GAF is one of the better forums I've been on but it's tiresome to see constant sniping at The Last of Us for gay themes among the accusations of molestation. It's all so overblown and full of tension, like everyone hates everything. Not fun.
I really hope there will be a solid site (not a forum) in the future that treats these issues with respect and not insults, snarky responses or political sides (modern game journalism relies on all 3 to a painful degree). I'm surprised all these years later that no sites have propped up to cut around the facetious bickering that overtakes almost every conversation on the net. There's a big opportunity for that. YouTube has some people making progress but I want to see some place lay out these issues without emotional responses like bringing child abuse in to scare people into siding with you. You can do that with anything and we have in the past with school shootings and such being blamed on games. I'm just seeing a repeat of that these days only with sexual content. Depressing.
Don't get me wrong, GAF is one of the better forums I've been on but it's tiresome to see constant sniping at The Last of Us for gay themes among the accusations of molestation. It's all so overblown and full of tension, like everyone hates everything. Not fun.
S
SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Japan's rape statistics are entirely fucked.Dont worry Lucifer, Anime children will be protected at all costs from molestation, western countries knows how to protect these poor anime kids.
Look into the people that made accusations or reports on their accusers only for the victims to mysteriously "suicide."
hououinkyouma00
Member
#saveanimetiddies
Probably wasn’t going to buy it anyway but definitely won’t on PS4 now.
Probably wasn’t going to buy it anyway but definitely won’t on PS4 now.
Senhua
Member
Just want to add my 2 cents: west != rest of the world (outside Japan, Korea, Taiwan/HK)
Rhetorical question as I do not care about the answer
Are the mentioned games banned in ALL countries or only several? if only several, Who Sony to decide for the rest of the countries that should be banned too?
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theclaw135
Banned
The USA has yet to directly ban or censor a video game at the federal level. (the industry formed the ESRB to regulate itself and avoid the looming threat of this)
To my knowledge, however, there has been no recorded attempt anywhere in the world to develop a game that would be a known violation of US law.
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theclaw135
Banned
Edit: oops.
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petran79
Banned
I think it was inevitable that there would be a breaking point with all those niche Japanese games. In the past you had console wars, now that things settled you have civil wars inside the same platform. This is much worse.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Is the game even coming out on the Xbox?
kunonabi
Member
Not that I know of. I'd just be switching for the other multiplat stuff that cant be put on the Switch.