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[MayauMiao]

They censored Super Seducer despite no nudity, or even interactive groping.

Says a lot about Sony policy lately and I'm not liking it.

 

[WaterAstro]

How about you actually address my arguments, like this one?

I see that your unwillingness to do so is rather strong indication to me that you have no more arguments left. But hey, "[You] win. [ I ] lose", right? LOL.

And yet another ad hominem. Going for that tactic the millionth time isn't going to work. Sorry.

I also find it ironic that you claim I'm trolling when what you were doing in the first blockquote is the perfect example of you doing that. Not practicing what you preaching, are you?

Do you think depiction of sexual content in games leads to in real life sexual harassment and assault? Go find the evidence that proves the positive. If there is no causation, then there are no consequences having games with sexual content in the market. Period.

lol, do you know how forums work? I don't have to address anything that you say. I also believe games do not affect real life behavior like violence.

What you're not addressing is that sexual harassment is a hot topic now, and Sony wants no part of it in any of the games released on their console.

WaterAstro
Yeah, people are against child porn but these games are not child porn. They are not porn. I don't think Sony is banning these games for porn reasons or else they would be banning a lot more. I just bought Punchline and Labyrinth of Refrain. Surely those games would be blocked for their artwork, too, then.

Sony isn't banning this game. They're removing a feature that has no relevance to the core gameplay. They banned Super Seducer, supposedly, and I didn't like that because it had absolutely nothing bad, and it even was teaching good behaviour to men about dating.

I don't know about those games you talked about. Do they have active groping? If you youtube the intimacy mode, you might get a better idea of how different it is.

 

[Dthomp]

They censored Super Seducer despite no nudity, or even interactive groping.

Says a lot about Sony policy lately and I'm not liking it.

Censored would give the impression that they let the game come out. They flat out denied it's release right at release. Still pretty upset about that decision, and I hope that enough fan backlash at this (which is a bigger deal then crossplay) can cause a change in their stance. Censorship is flat out wrong IMO. None of these games were set to come out with an AO rating so no reason for this bad stance on their part

 

[MayauMiao]

Best solution to this Sony lousy policy is to get a Nintendo and support the titles Sony censored. Our wallet is always the best weapon.

 

[Dthomp]

Best solution to this Sony lousy policy is to get a Nintendo and support the titles Sony censored. Our wallet is always the best weapon.

While this is true, and I do own a Switch but I prefer to do my gaming on my PS4 (Party chat with friends, trophies). I am going to have to do alot of thinking when it comes to this title. Switch vs. PC (what price point I'm willing to bite at since neither is my main console).

I do worry though that if sales are bad (which I think they will be) it just helps paint the picture that these games don't do well here (or that those type of games aren't good enough for their console).

 

[The Mad Draklor]

lol, do you know how forums work? I don't have to address anything that you say. I also believe games do not affect real life behavior like violence.

Yes I do. I make an argument, you try to refute it. You did not refute it, so therefore your arguments are not adequate enough for me to change my mind or for a neutral party to take your side. Clearly, you do not know how forums work because your argumentation is terrible.

I also believe games do not affect real life behavior like violence.

Cool. However, you also asked this question which is a severe misconstruction of my points:

So are you saying we should embrace underaged sex in our movies, tv, and games because it's just fantasy?

Why intentionally misrepresent what I was arguing if you "do not mind this kind of stuff" and believe games do not affect real life behavior?

What you're not addressing is that sexual harassment is a hot topic now, and Sony wants no part of it in any of the games released on their console.

Why should I? It is in no way related to what I was arguing for.

 

[MayauMiao]

While this is true, and I do own a Switch but I prefer to do my gaming on my PS4 (Party chat with friends, trophies). I am going to have to do alot of thinking when it comes to this title. Switch vs. PC (what price point I'm willing to bite at since neither is my main console).

I do worry though that if sales are bad (which I think they will be) it just helps paint the picture that these games don't do well here (or that those type of games aren't good enough for their console).

Good. If more developers jump ship to other more open platform I hope it sends a message to Sony about how their new policy is not "for the players".

 

[WaterAstro]

Yes I do. I make an argument, you try to refute it. You did not refute it, so therefore your arguments are not adequate enough for me to change my mind or for a neutral party to take your side. Clearly, you do not know how forums work because your argumentation is terrible.

Cool. However, you also asked this question which is a severe misconstruction of my points:

Why intentionally misrepresent what I was arguing if you "do not mind this kind of stuff" and believe games do not affect real life behavior?

Why should I? It is in no way related to what I was arguing for.

So you're just involving me into an argument that I wasn't even talking.

Cool. Oh, there's an ignore feature in the forums. Neat.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

So you're just involving me into an argument that I wasn't even talking.

Cool. Oh, there's an ignore feature in the forums. Neat.

More like you kept ignoring what I was saying, so you try to shift the conversation into something else that I was not interested in discussing. So I ask you again, what parts of my arguments fall short?

Cool. Oh, there's an ignore feature in the forums. Neat.

A feature fit for a user who has poor argumentation skills. Considering that you lost your temper and resorted to attacking the person making the argument multiple times as opposed to attacking the points, let's see how the neutral onlookers consider this discussion of ours.

 

[Avasarala]

This has become needlessly personal. If this is a discussion you both with to continue, please take it to private messages instead of the open public thread.

Thank you!

 

[CatCouch]

lol, do you know how forums work? I don't have to address anything that you say. I also believe games do not affect real life behavior like violence.

What you're not addressing is that sexual harassment is a hot topic now, and Sony wants no part of it in any of the games released on their console.

Sony isn't banning this game. They're removing a feature that has no relevance to the core gameplay. They banned Super Seducer, supposedly, and I didn't like that because it had absolutely nothing bad, and it even was teaching good behaviour to men about dating.

I don't know about those games you talked about. Do they have active groping? If you youtube the intimacy mode, you might get a better idea of how different it is.

I don't want to retread the "no relevance to gamplay" argument again. that was already dealt with when Nintendo censored games with the build up from edited costumes to removed gameplay modes and rewritten plot points. The intimacy mode is gameplay, anyway. If interaction is the problem then these new policies are only going to relate to gameplay.

Sony has banned two games so far that I can see (Super Seducer and Omega Labarynth Z) and potentially another with Nekopara Vol. 1. Now this has been delayed for censorship. That's a lot.

Where are you getting that Sony is doing this because of sexual harassment? Do you have an article you can link?

 

[DigitalScrap]

Cool. Oh, there's an ignore feature in the forums. Neat.

Yep, there is. And I finally used it.

 

[WaterAstro]

I don't want to retread the "no relevance to gamplay" argument again. that was already dealt with when Nintendo censored games with the build up from edited costumes to removed gameplay modes and rewritten plot points. The intimacy mode is gameplay, anyway. If interaction is the problem then these new policies are only going to relate to gameplay.

Sony has banned two games so far that I can see (Super Seducer and Omega Labarynth Z) and potentially another with Nekopara Vol. 1. Now this has been delayed for censorship. That's a lot.

Where are you getting that Sony is doing this because of sexual harassment? Do you have an article you can link?

Oh boy, Nekopara is definitely going to be banned. There's this bath scene where the underaged catgirls only have their nipples and groin covered with soap with very suggestive dialogue.

What I'm saying about the gameplay is that Senran Kagura Burst is a musou game, and the groping stuff has nothing to do with the musou gameplay. In terms of the quality of the game, it doesn't need to be there. It won't affect the quality of the game if it's gone.

I think I said this before, but it's speculation. Sony definitely isn't going to make a political statement. We can only make conjectures based on the timing of their censorship in relation to the Harvey Weinstein case and the subject matter of sexual harassment and the likeness in some games. So there's no article. I wish there was one because I'm still not happy about Super Seducer.

Another thing that is interesting that you mentioned about, Nintendo Switch's Senran Kagura Reflexion has this exact same groping feature intact. Not sure if Nintendo is doing anything about it.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

This has become needlessly personal. If this is a discussion you both with to continue, please take it to private messages instead of the open public thread.

Thank you!

So basically any thread where the usual children run into people who disagree with them on a variety of subjects and have to resort to personal attacks.

 

[Avasarala]

So basically any thread where the usual children run into people who disagree with them on a variety of subjects and have to resort to personal attacks.

My post was made after four hours of report review amongst the moderation team. Generally, direct discourse interferes with the function of a public forum in that it excludes other participants; much the way a shouting match in a coffee shop does.

As the mods are still unresolved on the issue, I figured asking people nicely to take their conversation private, or to remove it from public was the best community option I could suggest.

 

[Petrae]

Holy shit

As usual, when we see a platform holder have big success, that company turns into a pile of shit toward its customer base. Sony’s been guilty of this before (“You’ll want to work two jobs to afford the PlayStation 3!”), and it wouldn’t shock me to see Sony once again take success so far up its ass that the PS5 struggles in the rapidly-approaching next console generation.

Sony’s decisions have been awful most of this generation.

— Censorship and/or rejection of certain titles that were already rated and ready to go
— Refusing to get PSone & PS2 Classics purchased for the PS3 working for the PS4, and instead re-releasing a small array of PS2 titles that had to be purchased again
— Refusing to allow cross-play on the PS4 without major pressure
— Refusing to allow mods in Bethesda games
— Botching the PlayStation’s 20th anniversary by delivering a worthless theme and no games
— Delivered one of the worst E3 press events in recent memory this year, shuffling people to different rooms and interrupting the flow of the event... not to mention painful/long/awkward talking sequences between each segment

I’ve been less than impressed by Sony over the last few years, and I’ve found myself gravitating more toward Microsoft this year as that company has done more to earn my business (backwards compatibility, impressive racing games, stronger multiplatform performance) than Sony has. This recent spate of censorship and publishing reversals hasn’t helped.

 

[kunonabi]

Sony has always been awful which is why I've never been that invested in their platforms. I buy them out of necessity and nothing more. This current policy change crosses the line though.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

As usual, when we see a platform holder have big success, that company turns into a pile of shit toward its customer base. Sony’s been guilty of this before (“You’ll want to work two jobs to afford the PlayStation 3!”), and it wouldn’t shock me to see Sony once again take success so far up its ass that the PS5 struggles in the rapidly-approaching next console generation.

Sony’s decisions have been awful most of this generation.

— Censorship and/or rejection of certain titles that were already rated and ready to go
— Refusing to get PSone & PS2 Classics purchased for the PS3 working for the PS4, and instead re-releasing a small array of PS2 titles that had to be purchased again
— Refusing to allow cross-play on the PS4 without major pressure
— Refusing to allow mods in Bethesda games
— Botching the PlayStation’s 20th anniversary by delivering a worthless theme and no games
— Delivered one of the worst E3 press events in recent memory this year, shuffling people to different rooms and interrupting the flow of the event... not to mention painful/long/awkward talking sequences between each segment

I’ve been less than impressed by Sony over the last few years, and I’ve found myself gravitating more toward Microsoft this year as that company has done more to earn my business (backwards compatibility, impressive racing games, stronger multiplatform performance) than Sony has. This recent spate of censorship and publishing reversals hasn’t helped.

I have to agree. I might have been largely ignorant prior to 2018, but I didn't sense the complacency until this year, especially during Sony's E3 conference. The first hint I was given was when Sony hardly marketed Gravity Rush 2 for the west and just sent it out to die.

 

[CatCouch]

Oh boy, Nekopara is definitely going to be banned. There's this bath scene where the underaged catgirls only have their nipples and groin covered with soap with very suggestive dialogue.

What I'm saying about the gameplay is that Senran Kagura Burst is a musou game, and the groping stuff has nothing to do with the musou gameplay. In terms of the quality of the game, it doesn't need to be there. It won't affect the quality of the game if it's gone.

I think I said this before, but it's speculation. Sony definitely isn't going to make a political statement. We can only make conjectures based on the timing of their censorship in relation to the Harvey Weinstein case and the subject matter of sexual harassment and the likeness in some games. So there's no article. I wish there was one because I'm still not happy about Super Seducer.

Another thing that is interesting that you mentioned about, Nintendo Switch's Senran Kagura Reflexion has this exact same groping feature intact. Not sure if Nintendo is doing anything about it.

I just don't get where the line is anymore. Everyone says something different is the problem with no evidence to back it up since Sony likely won't tell us anything. I just got the run-around on Twitter when I asked. At least I got a response. If Sony takes the stance that anime style art looks too young they would be blocking a lot of games and taking a rather strong stance against their home country. I can't see that happening, honestly. I bet there is a simpler explanation.

I bought Nekopara on PC and I bought it on the Switch. I bought SK Reflexion as well. I'm going to buy the DLC soon, too. Sony blocking these games when I can buy them on the Switch is mind blowing. Banning what your competition doesn't can't be a good move. I havne't seen a time where censorship worked. It seems to always be reversed at some point.

As for the gameplay argument, that's one that has been fought to death. It does matter. First I was told editing costumes was okay because it didn't effect the gameplay or story. Then it did effect the story to a some degree (Fatal Frame 5), then some gameplay was removed from a game (Fire Emblem Fates) and then the story was changed (Tokyo Mirage Sessions). Luckily Nintendo stopped that with the Switch.

Arguing that cutting a mode from a game doesn't change the quality of the game is something I think many will disagree with you on. Censorship can easily damage quality. Just because you don't care about a mode doesn't mean others don't. It's also much harder to take something away from people after they already have it. Sony may have a hard time dealing with removing content they already allowed, especially if they do something stupid like take games down. I still haven't finished Peach Beach Splash and I might want to buy DLC for it, if Sony takes that option away from me after I bought the game I'll be pretty ticked off.

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah the E3 conference was bizaare and pretentious, it stunk of 'we can do no wrong'. I have been PC only this gen, but i have been thinking about getting a console next gen, it will probably be Xbox.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Counter-argument, would you play "Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal" in front of your mother/sister/wife/any underage?
The lesbian kiss and elements of violence that happens in "The last of Us 2" are widely acceptable in our modern society,
while things that happens in Senran Kagura are acceptable in Japan only.

Yes I would. If it is a fun game, why wouldn't I play it in front of other people? Why would I feel ashamed? I am not a twelve year old child, mate.

 

[Sub_Level]

Yeah the E3 conference was bizaare and pretentious, it stunk of 'we can do no wrong'. I have been PC only this gen, but i have been thinking about getting a console next gen, it will probably be Xbox.

If you like japanese games, PS5 would still be the way to go. Especially since it'll likely be BC with PS4.

Xbox next gen will probably be legit, but perhaps redundant if you already game on PC. You can play Gears, Forza, Halo on Windows now

 

[Stuart360]

If you like japanese games, PS5 would still be the way to go. Especially since it'll likely be BC with PS4.

Xbox next gen will probably be legit, but perhaps redundant if you already game on PC. You can play Gears, Forza, Halo on Windows now

I dont have Windows 10, and probably wont until i have to lol. Besides i have a pretty good PC but it will probably be outdated by next gen consoles, so it would be cheaper for me to go with a console and use my PC for my current games, and Indie games etc.

 

[WaterAstro]

I just don't get where the line is anymore. Everyone says something different is the problem with no evidence to back it up since Sony likely won't tell us anything. I just got the run-around on Twitter when I asked. At least I got a response. If Sony takes the stance that anime style art looks too young they would be blocking a lot of games and taking a rather strong stance against their home country. I can't see that happening, honestly. I bet there is a simpler explanation.

I bought Nekopara on PC and I bought it on the Switch. I bought SK Reflexion as well. I'm going to buy the DLC soon, too. Sony blocking these games when I can buy them on the Switch is mind blowing. Banning what your competition doesn't can't be a good move. I havne't seen a time where censorship worked. It seems to always be reversed at some point.

As for the gameplay argument, that's one that has been fought to death. It does matter. First I was told editing costumes was okay because it didn't effect the gameplay or story. Then it did effect the story to a some degree (Fatal Frame 5), then some gameplay was removed from a game (Fire Emblem Fates) and then the story was changed (Tokyo Mirage Sessions). Luckily Nintendo stopped that with the Switch.

Arguing that cutting a mode from a game doesn't change the quality of the game is something I think many will disagree with you on. Censorship can easily damage quality. Just because you don't care about a mode doesn't mean others don't. It's also much harder to take something away from people after they already have it. Sony may have a hard time dealing with removing content they already allowed, especially if they do something stupid like take games down. I still haven't finished Peach Beach Splash and I might want to buy DLC for it, if Sony takes that option away from me after I bought the game I'll be pretty ticked off.

Yeah, I want answers to about Super Seducer. We won't get it because it's less controversial for Sony to talk about their decision. Maybe they'll capitulate if people are up in arms about it, but I think this kind of feature, the people who would fight for it are afraid to because 'sexual harassment simulator' isn't something to be supported. Like I said about the jury thing, people will 100% vote guilty once they see the fictional child porn owner's or artist's material.

I'm more about focusing on making the core gameplay really good, so when it comes to this peripheral touching mode, if the main gameplay sucks, and they spent time putting these extra modes in, then it really pisses me off because they spent time doing other unrelated feature instead of making the core gameplay better. If Senran Kagura isn't a musou and was like Gal Gun or whatever dating sim, then it would be fine for me. This thing really doesn't seem necessary. Sony didn't ban the game outright because it's filled with risque clothes damage stuff during gameplay with clothe unveiling cutscenes.

Nintendo had done censorship with their own game about this feature when it came to Fire Emblem Fates. In the Western version, they removed the "rubbing" mode. That was a while ago, so I don't know if they changed their policy recently in reverse. Sony, on the other hand, is probably making a calculated move to determine how much sales they are losing (for people like you) versus how much sales they are saving (for people concerned about this content) and figured that they'll just start censoring more because it'll pay off in the current climate of sexual harassment.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I can see more Japanese companies switching to Nintendo for the time being. Omega Labyrinth is going to Nintendo, and given Nintendo did nothing about the Senran Kagura spin-offs on Switch I can see them going back to to Nintendo for mainline (it did start on 3DS after all) after this.

That is understandable, but those Japanese companies with those already niche games are probably going to lose ALOT of money by going to Nintendo only.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Wait? Since when did Senran Kagura have so many fans?

 

[Pot Meet Kettle]

Counter-argument, would you play "Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal" in front of your mother/sister/wife/any underage?
The lesbian kiss and elements of violence that happens in "The last of Us 2" are widely acceptable in our modern society,
while things that happens in Senran Kagura are acceptable in Japan only.

A husband and wife would definitively love in some situations to watch suggestive content. There's a massive market for that, why do you think games like "We Dare" on the Wii even get made? Last I heard of, heterosexuality wasn't outlawed (yet) outside of Japan, and there's no shame in it, even though you seem to think through a unique leap of logic that the TLoU2 kiss means just that.

Oh boy, Nekopara is definitely going to be banned. There's this bath scene where the underaged catgirls only have their nipples and groin covered with soap with very suggestive dialogue.

To think Riviera on PSP had a similar scene with more mist covering it up in the Japanese release than on the US version... by Atlus.
I won't be surprised if even this release (Senran Kagura) gets cancelled altogether, on the basis some versions (PC) got more content than the PS4 version. It would not be out of character for Sony, they absolutely love last minute delays and cancellations and wasting developer's money. For example they told Konami they couldn't release Castlevania SOTN in the West unless they dubbed the entire game's voice acting, in just one week. Games like Chulip on PS2 were stuck in lotcheck hell from 2003 to 2007, some never got away from it like Goemon PS2...

 

[Petrae]

That is understandable, but those Japanese companies with those already niche games are probably going to lose ALOT of money by going to Nintendo only.

If Sony isn’t going to allow their games to be published unless the developers conform to a set of constantly moving goalposts, then I think devs ultimately focus on other platforms that don’t wreck their shit “or else”.

By moving to Nintendo— especially after multiple disappointments— fans will ultimately get the message and transition to another platform, away from Sony’s bullshit. It may mean loss of money at first, but projections will adjust.

 

[Vlaphor]

Wait? Since when did Senran Kagura have so many fans?

It's not that Senran has a ton of fans (it took several games for the series to hit one million sold), it's that we're all congregating here and Reddit.

 

[Dthomp]

Wait? Since when did Senran Kagura have so many fans?

Love the series, and am concerned about the censorship. NPCs won’t be happy til they ruin everybody else’s fun

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Wait? Since when did Senran Kagura have so many fans?

It's less so Senran Kagura and more of the principle of allowing creators to release their games with their intended visions.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

If Sony isn’t going to allow their games to be published unless the developers conform to a set of constantly moving goalposts, then I think devs ultimately focus on other platforms that don’t wreck their shit “or else”.

By moving to Nintendo— especially after multiple disappointments— fans will ultimately get the message and transition to another platform, away from Sony’s bullshit. It may mean loss of money at first, but projections will adjust.

I see what you are saying. Problem is, the developers vision will most likely have to be altered drastically to accommodate the much weaker hardware of Nintendo’s switch or 3ds. I do agree that if this censorship continues with Sony, then it could end up being a problem to certain developers. I don’t think most Japanese games really fall into a category where they would have to worry about censorship though unless Sony is enforcing new and more strict regulations with more modern games.

Again, Nintendo censors also to fit their more family friendly atmosphere and demographic. In actuality, they are worst then Sony ever been, at least to my knowledge.

 

[Senhua]

I see what you are saying. Problem is, the developers vision will most likely have to be altered drastically to accommodate the much weaker hardware of Nintendo’s switch or 3ds. I do agree that if this censorship continues with Sony, then it could end up being a problem to certain developers. I don’t think most Japanese games really fall into a category where they would have to worry about censorship though unless Sony is enforcing new and more strict regulations with more modern games.

Again, Nintendo censors also to fit their more family friendly atmosphere and demographic. In actuality, they are worst then Sony ever been, at least to my knowledge.

Correct me if I wrong, AFAIK since 1994 Nintendo never ban/censor 3rd party games.

 

[danielberg]

Sony has always been the best when they play catch up and always the worst when they are in first place... hell that probably goes for both microsoft and sony.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Sony has always been the best when they play catch up and always the worst when they are in first place... hell that probably goes for both microsoft and sony.

Definitely both, in my opinion of course. I find that they're at their best when playing the role of the underdog.

 

[Fuz]

I find this quite funny. It seems Sony is trying to jump on the PC train when its about to crash and burn lol

Yep, worst possible moment for this sort of policies.

Anyway, remember this when you buy a new console. Not just for this game, but for the whole mindset and what might bring in the future.

 

[michaelius]

Wait? Since when did Senran Kagura have so many fans?

It doesn't.

I don't even use this mode in Vakyrie Drive.

But it's about principles - as long as game has proper rating and rating agency had no problems with content then there's no reason why platform holder should make some arbitrary undisclosed rules.

 

[stargateheaven]

You know if it didnt pass ESRB or PEGI i could understand. (WHICH CAN HAPPEN) but no. This is just them shooting themselves in the foot for some reason. I don't really get it.

 

[petran79]

Counter-argument, would you play "Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal" in front of your mother/sister/wife/any underage?
The lesbian kiss and elements of violence that happens in "The last of Us 2" are widely acceptable in our modern society,
while things that happens in Senran Kagura are acceptable in Japan only.

If Last of Us looked like anime, I wouldnt show it either. Only Ghibili stuff and Dragonball are accepted by the mainstream

Correct me if I wrong, AFAIK since 1994 Nintendo never ban/censor 3rd party games.

They did if with Duke3d on N64

Yeah, I want answers to about Super Seducer. We won't get it because it's less controversial for Sony to talk about their decision. Maybe they'll capitulate if people are up in arms about it, but I think this kind of feature, the people who would fight for it are afraid to because 'sexual harassment simulator' isn't something to be supported. Like I said about the jury thing, people will 100% vote guilty once they see the fictional child porn owner's or artist's material.


I'm more about focusing on making the core gameplay really good, so when it comes to this peripheral touching mode, if the main gameplay sucks, and they spent time putting these extra modes in, then it really pisses me off because they spent time doing other unrelated feature instead of making the core gameplay better. If Senran Kagura isn't a musou and was like Gal Gun or whatever dating sim, then it would be fine for me. This thing really doesn't seem necessary. Sony didn't ban the game outright because it's filled with risque clothes damage stuff during gameplay with clothe unveiling cutscenes.


Nintendo had done censorship with their own game about this feature when it came to Fire Emblem Fates. In the Western version, they removed the "rubbing" mode. That was a while ago, so I don't know if they changed their policy recently in reverse. Sony, on the other hand, is probably making a calculated move to determine how much sales they are losing (for people like you) versus how much sales they are saving (for people concerned about this content) and figured that they'll just start censoring more because it'll pay off in the current climate of sexual harassment.

I think they should have made an exception in this case. If it was about the upcoming Sengan Kagura 7, then sure, tell them in advance that feature would not be allowed here so they could take their own measures. That was quite sneaky, after they secured the deal

 

[Shifty]

On the one hand, out of principle this seems like a shit move on Sony's part. If the game was rated and ready to go, imposing more demands at the last second is just bad business.

That said, on the other... I really don't feel that a virtual groping mode designed for Japan and/or The Lewd Internet People is the hill to die on for this particular principle, despite there being a contingent of very vocal fans who are upset at their newfound inability to touch virtual tiddy.

Get back to me when the vehicle for the cause is something more credible than pervy fetish anime. Until then, little of value is actually lost.

 

[SoulChamber]

As usual, when we see a platform holder have big success, that company turns into a pile of shit toward its customer base. Sony’s been guilty of this before (“You’ll want to work two jobs to afford the PlayStation 3!”), and it wouldn’t shock me to see Sony once again take success so far up its ass that the PS5 struggles in the rapidly-approaching next console generation.

Sony’s decisions have been awful most of this generation.

— Censorship and/or rejection of certain titles that were already rated and ready to go
— Refusing to get PSone & PS2 Classics purchased for the PS3 working for the PS4, and instead re-releasing a small array of PS2 titles that had to be purchased again
— Refusing to allow cross-play on the PS4 without major pressure
— Refusing to allow mods in Bethesda games
— Botching the PlayStation’s 20th anniversary by delivering a worthless theme and no games
— Delivered one of the worst E3 press events in recent memory this year, shuffling people to different rooms and interrupting the flow of the event... not to mention painful/long/awkward talking sequences between each segment

I’ve been less than impressed by Sony over the last few years, and I’ve found myself gravitating more toward Microsoft this year as that company has done more to earn my business (backwards compatibility, impressive racing games, stronger multiplatform performance) than Sony has. This recent spate of censorship and publishing reversals hasn’t helped.

It looks like Sony's arrogance is rearing it's head once again, just like before with the late PS2 era. The kind of decisions that they're making in which you've covered etc. says it all.

That’s what happens when there is little to no strong competition to keep this company from going overboard.

 

[InterMusketeer]

This thing really doesn't seem necessary.

I've never played Senran Kagura and I don't think I'm gonna start now. I don't care either way about the mode itself as I was never going to engage with it anyway. But agreeing with or caring about content doesn't have anything to do with opposing censorship.

 

[Venus Lucifer]

It appears to be a mode simulating the groping of underage girls. I'm not fond of censorship, but you know what, there's really nothing of value lost here.

 

[Dunki]

It appears to be a mode simulating the groping of underage girls. I'm not fond of censorship, but you know what, there's really nothing of value lost here.

Yes there is and it is called artistic freedom.

 

[Venus Lucifer]

Yes there is and it is called artistic freedom.

The artistic freedom of simulating the molestation of children. Sure bud.

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

It appears to be a mode simulating the groping of underage girls. I'm not fond of censorship, but you know what, there's really nothing of value lost here.

If the wiki is correct, and it is about the same game, all girls are 17+ (post-time skip).

 

[Dunki]

The artistic freedom of simulating the molestation of children. Sure bud.

Have you ever read classic literature? There is tons of incest pedophilia rape, orgies, devil worshiping etc. And often it is not even depicted as bad.

Example: Der Vorleser (sorry do not know English name) Is about a 40 year old women who works in a concentration camp while also has a love affair with a 13-15 year old boy set at the end of the WW2 era. It is a classic book people in Germany read at 5th -7th grade

 

[Woo-Fu]

If the wiki is correct, and it is about the same game, all girls are 17+ (post-time skip).

Of course they are. If I were to make a game that prominently featured the sexual assault of children as a minigame I'd be sure the "lore" said they were of age, regardless of how young they appeared to be.

People comparing literature to a sexual assault minigame are cracking me up.

 

[Venus Lucifer]

People comparing literature to a sexual assault minigame are cracking me up.

No kidding.

 

[petran79]

Of course they are. If I were to make a game that prominently featured the sexual assault of children as a minigame I'd be sure the "lore" said they were of age, regardless of how young they are.

People comparing literature to a sexual assault minigame are cracking me up.

I'd only worry if the voice actresses were underage, but apparently they are all adults.