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Sony isn't prepared for the fight this generation

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Hobbygaming

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I think Sony will be just fine this generation. They can't make enough PS5's to satisfy demand right now, so they're literally raising the price in a few countries.

It's next generation where I think Sony will face its problems. Microsoft will have had their new publishers running for a few years, and they won't be starting on the backfoot like they were this generation.
Some say this every gen
 
I really don't understand this fascination with trying to predict the "doom" that is going to befall company A, B or C. Success is NEVER guaranteed, that much is plain to see... examples: Xbox One, PS3, Wii U etc. I bet there were posts, prophets, soothsayers, predicting and laying out a timeline and many many reasons why dominant product/console was going to WIN again. There are probably an equal amount who believed the exact opposite.

You know that saying about counting you eggs before they hatch... yea, that's always been sensible advice.
 

Skifi28

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I really don't understand this fascination with trying to predict the "doom" that is going to befall company A, B or C. Success is NEVER guaranteed, that much is plain to see... examples: Xbox One, PS3, Wii U etc. I bet there were posts, prophets, soothsayers, predicting and laying out a timeline and many many reasons why dominant product/console was going to WIN again. There are probably an equal amount who believed the exact opposite.

You know that saying about counting you eggs before they hatch... yea, that's always been sensible advice.
My favourite prophecies were about powerful phones killing off the PS360. People really can't help it.
 
There are several emergent markets that Xbox has been building towards that Playstation is behind on:
- Gaming on smartphones and tablets through the cloud.
- Gaming through TV apps through the cloud.
- An ecosystem across PC, mobile, tablet, and consoles, that all share saves.

Game Pass is built to take advantage of those markets and will allow you to access all of them through one subscription. You might think that most people will still want to play locally, but the market that would be willing to play by just streaming through an app is likely to become very big as those apps start to pop up on TVs.

Secondly, the manner in which Game Pass attracts players will increase and become harder to miss as more big franchises arrive on the service. While Sony is incredibly strong right now, the value of day one games and the allure of must-play franchises will very likely increase Game Pass subscriptions to the point where word of mouth alone will start to attract users.

If Sony doesn't allow day one games on their service and build a robust PC service where you can choose to play on PC or console when you are subscribed, they will eventually be left in the dust. There is too much value disparity.
God I hate that you are right. I can't stand this shift to services and cloud gaming.
 

Gavon West

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These reactionary topics are always amusing.
The denial is even funnier. You can't possibly say Sony isn't worried due to Xbox making significant moves this gen. And they aren't even done. The Xbox ecosystem is the dominating ecosystem, hands down. Sony has great exclusives. Even that will be up for debate in just under a year. Its like a new ballgame, almost.
 

Gavon West

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Oh no how can sony compete with ms's MASSIVE game output?
And just a little over a year ago, Microsoft was handing out straight anxiety attacks because GaF was petrified of them making a 7 billion dollar purchase. Now their making a 70_billion dollar purchase. Its easy to talk,smack while the ACTIBLIZZARD deal is going. Once its complete, stress levels will once again be at an all time high. Jeez...lol
 

yurinka

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There are several emergent markets that Xbox has been building towards that Playstation is behind on:
- Gaming on smartphones and tablets through the cloud.
- Gaming through TV apps through the cloud.
- An ecosystem across PC, mobile, tablet, and consoles, that all share saves.
Sony implemented all this years before MS and have the related patents, and for that reason MS changed the name of their implementation.

The particular case of smartphones and tvs Sony originally implemented it only for some brands, later discontinued it and now is working to release soon a new and better version, including 5G specific optimizations they patented.

If Sony doesn't allow day one games on their service and build a robust PC service where you can choose to play on PC or console when you are subscribed, they will eventually be left in the dust. There is too much value disparity.
Sony's game sub has around twice the subscribers than the MS one, so players should see value there.

Even if this is without considering that it's way easier to get free or $1 deals on the MS case, even if Sony's sub only got some brand new (small, 3rd party) game in rare cases. As I remember Sony also has a bigger catalog in the sub, even if the games are older.

Regarding the games themselves, if you compare the games included in both services this or the previous month you may understand that some players may prefer certain older games versus certain new games.
 

Bragr

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Sony implemented all this years before MS and have the related patents, and for that reason MS changed the name of their implementation.

The particular case of smartphones and tvs Sony originally implemented it only for some brands, later discontinued it and now is working to release soon a new and better version, including 5G specific optimizations they patented.


Sony's game sub has around twice the subscribers than the MS one, so players should see value there.

Even if this is without considering that it's way easier to get free or $1 deals on the MS case, even if Sony's sub only got some brand new (small, 3rd party) game in rare cases. As I remember Sony also has a bigger catalog in the sub, even if the games are older.

Regarding the games themselves, if you compare the games included in both services this or the previous month you may understand that some players may prefer certain older games versus certain new games.
Sony is working on everything Game Pass is doing to some extent, but patents are only patents. Right now, I can't play most of the Playstation games on PC nor can they match xCloud, and their games are not coming day one to PS Plus.

Of course, Playstation has more subscribers now, but that's because of the PS4, and the new service is new. We will see how the numbers trend after a year compared to Game Pass trends.

PS Plus got a big catalog, but the Game Pass catalog is more dynamic. The PS Plus catalog is the sort of stuff where you already played 90% of the games and nothing interesting comes along for another 6 months. Game Pass is completely different, it's more dynamic and organic, changing and adding constantly.
 

Dolodolo

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Microsoft buys 16 new developers, some of which are so important to PlayStation that their CEO starts a mud slinging competition, every generation?
Some. Which ones?
Sony is only interested in one franchise - Call Of Duty.
And the reason why is obvious.
They don't care about the rest of Activision. They didn't care about Bethesda. And even more so do not care about someone like Ninja Theory, and so on.

No need to hyperbolize
 

Pedro Motta

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Dude they have 30 studios or something, with multiple games in development from many of them. Everyone knows the games are coming, which is why the 'Xbox has no games' rhetoric is in full bloom again.
Once we reach the second half of the gen, and the games are floiwing like fine wine, no one is going to remember the sparse first 2 or 3 years.
The games are coming, but they still have to be good. Let's hope they can keep up with that.
 
Gamepass, BC, and emulation might not be huge by themselves, but together they make a strong argument against ps5, and $300 console option to boot. How much longer until that console is $199? Late 2024? That will be an incredibly difficult problem for Sony to solve.
Xbox 360 BC is basically part of gamepass for the most part when the entry console doesn't have a DVD/BR drive. Most people won't search for X360 games to download in 2022 and people with the console can't slot their DVD's in (also true for people with Xbox One physical games), so it's down to whether these are games on gamepass or not.

PS5 also has BC, just not going that far out, and most award winning PS3 games were remastered already or would be very dated anyway. Nearly all PS5 manufactured have the Blu Ray drive and most people had PS4's last generation, I'd wager PS4 back compat is worth more than X360/Xbox One BC.
And when the heavy hitter xbox exclusives start rolling in next year, it's over imo. Starting with Starfield. I don't think Xbox has ever had this level of exclusives in the pipeline that people want to play again. Halo even last gen wasn't what it was, Gears and Forza aren't really console sellers.
Forza is a system seller, Forza and Forza Horizon are the sole reason Xbox One chugged along. Steering Wheels for the Xbox were more expensive and seemed to sell better than the Playstation 4 ones a few years back.

Gears is gamepass fodder at this point, yes. Bethesda are in the position of having most Xbox system sellers right now, if they don't drop in quality massively since being acquired.
So, Sony boxed against a featherweight last gen as a middleweight. Now it's a heavyweight match. Worse, it feels like there's no urgency and we're seeing a passive version of Sony. VR and the lack of fresh content are much of my reasoning here(I'm talking about console seller fresh content)
Well, Sony wouldn't have raised the prices last week if the fight was "close".

Sony is being passive yes, but I disagree they should be doing anything else (other than consolidating internally, and being more pro-consumer than they currently are commited with). Microsoft Games division getting too big means a lot of spending and being very hard to maintain/inefficient if an economic crash that affects the gaming industry ever comes to pass. Sony is clever to not go the same route.

And people saying they don't have the money for similar purchases, well, they're not know to spend like that but they could have tried mergers, for instance I bet Sony could probably have easily merged with Activision (and Activision board would prefer that to being bought by Microsoft), it's clear they're not interested in that, or acquiring. (and it's probably a good idea, as the Activision purchase smells like trouble in the medium/long run)
 
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yurinka

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Sony is working on everything Game Pass is doing to some extent, but patents are only patents.
As I remember the only thing GP did before Sony is to put their 1st party games there day one and to give native games on PC. And to have a separate tier for the big catalog subscription without the cloud gaming part plus minor perks.

Sony had a game sub (that also included older gen games), a game sub with hundreds of games, a game sub with cloud gaming, cloud gaming in the non-console platforms like PC, handhelds, mobile or tvs etc before MS. They also did cross-play, cross-buy, cross-save and remote play before MS.

As I remember the only change Sony did to make their game subs more similar to GP is to merge both services into different tiers and add this middle one that is the one with the hundreds of games but without cloud gaming (not having cloud gaming also means can be brought worldwide). And regarding to the new games added, to focus a bit more in a bit newer/higher profile ones but without putting there AAA games day one.

Right now, I can't play most of the Playstation games on PC nor can they match xCloud, and their games are not coming day one to PS Plus.

Of course, Playstation has more subscribers now, but that's because of the PS4, and the new service is new. We will see how the numbers trend after a year compared to Game Pass trends.

PS Plus got a big catalog, but the Game Pass catalog is more dynamic. The PS Plus catalog is the sort of stuff where you already played 90% of the games and nothing interesting comes along for another 6 months. Game Pass is completely different, it's more dynamic and organic, changing and adding constantly.
I assume that by 'more dynamic' you mean that many good games get removed faster and more frequently from GP.

PS Plus has over 800 or 900 games or something like that. Nobody played or owns 90% of them. Many of us buy many games per year, but on average a console player buys a game or two per year for that console, in all its lifetime from 8 to 14 games per console aprox.
 
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Bragr

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As I remember the only thing GP did before Sony is to put their 1st party games there day one and to give native games on PC. And to have a separate tier for the big catalog subscription without the cloud gaming part plus minor perks.

Sony had a game sub (that also included older gen games), a game sub with hundreds of games, a game sub with cloud gaming, cloud gaming in the non-console platforms like PC, handhelds, mobile or tvs etc before MS. They also did cross-play, cross-buy, cross-save and remote play before MS.

As I remember the only change Sony did to make their game subs more similar to GP is to merge both services into different tiers and add this middle one that is the one with the hundreds of games but without cloud gaming (not having cloud gaming also means can be brought worldwide). And regarding to the new games added, to focus a bit more in a bit newer/higher profile ones but without putting there AAA games day one.

I assume that by 'more dynamic' you mean that many good games get removed faster and more frequently from GP.

PS Plus has over 800 or 900 games or something like that. Nobody played or owns 90% of them. Many of us buy many games per year, but on average a console player buys a game or two per year for that console, in all its lifetime from 8 to 14 games per console aprox.
By dynamic, I mean they are actively seeking interesting games on a regular basis, while the PS Plus library is similar to the stuff they had years ago on the PS4. Game Pass does a better job of curating and you will find stuff on a monthly basis worth trying.

Day one is not just some small thing, it's a huge thing. It's the biggest thing. It's what makes Game Pass tower over PS Plus in terms of value.

As with cloud, you aren't really saying anything against my original point, that xCloud is more versatile and more flexible and has more features. It's more advanced and the PC portal is great.
 
Some. Which ones?
Sony is only interested in one franchise - Call Of Duty.
And the reason why is obvious.
They don't care about the rest of Activision. They didn't care about Bethesda. And even more so do not care about someone like Ninja Theory, and so on.

No need to hyperbolize
They'll care when Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls release, or DOOM, etc. It's death by a thousand cuts. Each franchise may not be a big deal, but combined it gives gamers a real logical reason to support Xbox. Add CoD on top of that and this could be a nightmare scenario for Sony especially since MS is charging ahead full speed making sure their games are available to be played anywhere.
 

yurinka

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By dynamic, I mean they are actively seeking interesting games on a regular basis, while the PS Plus library is similar to the stuff they had years ago on the PS4. Game Pass does a better job of curating and you will find stuff on a monthly basis worth trying.

Day one is not just some small thing, it's a huge thing. It's the biggest thing. It's what makes Game Pass tower over PS Plus in terms of value.

As with cloud, you aren't really saying anything against my original point, that xCloud is more versatile and more flexible and has more features. It's more advanced and the PC portal is great.
As a Sony fanboy I'm obviously biased, and I agree that they frequently add cool stuff in GP and that having frequently new games is cool when they add great games, not the ones they added this month. Some people talk as if they would be adding new MS AAA games every month or GOTY indies, but it happens in rare case. The common case is a bunch of games you don't care about, some old games (all decent or interesting for their niches but not great stuff) and a handful great indies.

I think that a big portion of the games added to GP aren't exciting or aren't new. And that sometimes, like the games recently announced for this month the games added to PS Plus are more exciting than the ones added to GP even if all of them are old.

Before MS stopped sharing GP subs numbers, they did have a bump with the Halo and Forza release. That was a great month(s), if all months would be like this one then I'd agree GP is great because of having games like these ones on launch (ignoring Halo is now a F2P GasS). But before that they were like a year stuck with basically no growth in subs because I think the games they were adding then weren't as exciting to players enough to become a new subscriber. And I think it's the case of the months like the current one.

Games like the ones added this month may be ok if you already are a subscriber or maybe a fan of their genre, but I wouldn't pay $180/year to rent them. The ones added this month in PS+ wouldn't make me get a sub, but they are more appealing to me (I like fighting games or open world games/big action adventure games) so when seeing them I think "well, other month they'll add that other fighting game or Ubisoft open world game I want to play".

xCloud is not more versatile, flexible and doesn't have more features. It's the same than Sony did before: crossplatform cloud gaming using cloud saves that you can also use to play locally, same as PS Now did before. The main difference is that Sony still has to release (from what they said to investors years ago it was part of their next gen plans linked to the new PS Plus so should be published soonish) their new version of cloud gaming for mobile, not limited to a brand as their previous one, to fulfill the long term plans Sony announced in 2013/2014 for their cloud gaming.

Regarding cloud gaming Sony has something that I'd like MS to do: they have the same unified catalog in all platforms, you don't have to worry if this game has been added to this or that other platform: any game included in their PS Plus Premium (and the included PS Plus Extra) games and classic collections are playable via cloud gaming in all platforms where their cloud gaming streams, and are the same game you can download in console (except PS3). PS3 misses the local PS3 emulation, which isn't viable due to technical limitations to do it at full performance and without bugs on PS4 and PS5.
 
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Sosokrates

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You're just a parasite who doesn't contribute anything interesting to the discussion, and constantly writes the same thing, as if Phil pays you for it.
Lol, you're just describing yourself here. You just insult me because you don't like what I say. Grow up man. If you disagree with what I say then let's have a discussion, but insulting posters will get you nowhere.
 
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Bragr

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As a Sony fanboy I'm obviously biased, and I agree that they frequently add cool stuff in GP and that having frequently new games there is cool when they add great games.

But I also think that a big portion of the games added to GP aren't exciting or aren't new. And that sometimes, like the games recently announced for this month the games added to PS Plus are more exciting than the ones added to GP even if all of them are old.

xCloud is not more versatile, flexible and doesn't have more features. It's the same: crossplatform cloud gaming using cloud saves that you can also use to play locally, same as PS Now did before. The main difference is that Sony still has to release (from what they said to investors years ago it was part of their next gen plans linked to the new PS Plus so should be published soonish) their new version of cloud gaming for mobile, not limited to a brand as their previous one, to fulfill the long term plans Sony announced in 2013/2014 for their cloud gaming.
Can you even use a non-PS4/5 controller on PS streaming? when I used it, it had nowhere near the performance of xCloud. Maybe that's different now.

You get Deathloop and some older great games on PS Plus this month, but on Game Pass you get Immortality day one, a new fresh game. Stuff like that is where Game Pass shines. It's so much cooler to get new stuff than the stuff you already know.

But ultimately, this is about the future, and when you get exclusive games day one on a monthly basis through Game Pass, Sony needs to be doing more than they currently are to entice people to bother to sub to both services.
 

yurinka

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Can you even use a non-PS4/5 controller on PS streaming? when I used it, it had nowhere near the performance of xCloud. Maybe that's different now.
I don't know, I always play wired and I have a 1GB fiber internet, so it works great here now, I can even play fighting games, shmups and (single player, I don't like competitive MP) fps very well. Several years ago I did tried via wifi or with a worse DSL connection I had before and it was worse.

I play normal games using the DS, and arcade games like fighting or shmups using a custom arcade stick (which has the board with best input lag in the market, Brook UFB). I don't notice the difference between using a DS or the arcade stick in cloud gaming compared to the difference between them when playing locally, and you shouldn't because of how cloud gaming works.

But maybe my experience could also have been improved because they could have added a server closer to my home. If you have a decent enough internet connection and play wired, the distance between your server and home will be the main thing that will define the input lag in any cloud gaming platform. I saw all cloud gaming platforms performing great or awfully for diferent players, so I assume it depends on what are the closest servers for each one of these players for each platform.

You get Deathloop and some older great games on PS Plus this month, but on Game Pass you get Immortality day one, a new fresh game. Stuff like that is where Game Pass shines. It's so much cooler to get new stuff than the stuff you already know.

But ultimately, this is about the future, and when you get exclusive games day one on a monthly basis through Game Pass, Sony needs to be doing more than they currently are to entice people to bother to sub to both services.
Sony has twice the people subscribed to their subs than MS.

MS is the one who has to do things to get closer to the leader, not Sony. The one spending dozens of Billions to secure content to grow their content and catch up is MS, not Sony.
 

64bitmodels

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For the guys planning to bump this thread 7 years from now, how's the future? Are all the rumors about everyone living in pods things really true or are we gonna have flying cars? Maybe both.
 

Hobbygaming

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I know it did but it was too late by then, the damage was done and the next gen was about to start. 360 beat ps3 that gen in mind share and sales. catching up when its irrelevant doesn't matter.
Xbox360 lost the momentum before the 8th gen even started by focusing on Kinect games
 

Hobbygaming

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The denial is even funnier. You can't possibly say Sony isn't worried due to Xbox making significant moves this gen. And they aren't even done. The Xbox ecosystem is the dominating ecosystem, hands down. Sony has great exclusives. Even that will be up for debate in just under a year. Its like a new ballgame, almost.
 

N30RYU

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Is there a way to ignore users but still see their threads about news... I don't know just block their opinion threads... 'cause who can tell this guy could be the first posting an interensting new thread and I can't see it 'cause I have blocked him?
 
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Wait im lost, why is Sony unprepared? I kinda feel like between the two thats the only company releasing games at a frequent interval. If this is a stone faced "wait for e3" type of take ima lose it. This cant be serious right? RIGHT!?
 
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Hobbygaming

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Microsoft buys 16 new developers, some of which are so important to PlayStation that their CEO starts a mud slinging competition, every generation?
It'll be more of the same. It's like how people thought 12 Tflops would destroy the PS5 before this gen started or like the hype when it was announced Halo was going free 2 play, it'll die down as we reach next gen
 
I know it did but it was too late by then, the damage was done and the next gen was about to start. 360 beat ps3 that gen in mind share and sales. catching up when its irrelevant doesn't matter.
Going by your logic the fourth quarter of the Patriots - Falcons superbowl doesn't count because "by then, the damage was done"
 
Not that it's all about winning the sales numbers war, but if it were, Sony is trouble. They went against the weakest effort ever from Microsoft last generation and Xbox still had some success.

This generation is easily the most hungry version of Xbox I've seen and it's not close.

Gamepass, BC, and emulation might not be huge by themselves, but together they make a strong argument against ps5, and $300 console option to boot. How much longer until that console is $199? Late 2024? That will be an incredibly difficult problem for Sony to solve.

And when the heavy hitter xbox exclusives start rolling in next year, it's over imo. Starting with Starfield. I don't think Xbox has ever had this level of exclusives in the pipeline that people want to play again. Halo even last gen wasn't what it was, Gears and Forza aren't really console sellers.
So, Sony boxed against a featherweight last gen as a middleweight. Now it's a heavyweight match. Worse, it feels like there's no urgency and we're seeing a passive version of Sony. VR and the lack of fresh content are much of my reasoning here(I'm talking about console seller fresh content)

And as much as I love VR, it feels like an experiment rooted in the leisure of success. It shows a certain level of comfort to toss their hat back into VR.

Success is not guaranteed this time. Xbox made it super easy last gen and the opposite is true this gen. Not to say ps5 won't have incredible games and good sales numbers, but that's not my point.

This post has no connection to reality whatsoever.
 

Bragr

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I don't know, I always play wired and I have a 1GB fiber internet, so it works great here now, I can even play fighting games, shmups and (single player, I don't like competitive MP) fps very well. Several years ago I did tried via wifi or with a worse DSL connection I had before and it was worse.

I play normal games using the DS, and arcade games like fighting or shmups using a custom arcade stick (which has the board with best input lag in the market, Brook UFB). I don't notice the difference between using a DS or the arcade stick in cloud gaming compared to the difference between them when playing locally, and you shouldn't because of how cloud gaming works.

But maybe my experience could also have been improved because they could have added a server closer to my home. If you have a decent enough internet connection and play wired, the distance between your server and home will be the main thing that will define the input lag in any cloud gaming platform. I saw all cloud gaming platforms performing great or awfully for diferent players, so I assume it depends on what are the closest servers for each one of these players for each platform.


Sony has twice the people subscribed to their subs than MS.

MS is the one who has to do things to get closer to the leader, not Sony. The one spending dozens of Billions to secure content to grow their content and catch up is MS, not Sony.
I am not saying the Playstation cloud service is bad, as it stands, I still think playing in the cloud is so far behind playing locally that I don't want to, but xCloud in my experience runs better and faster on all devices. And I don't know if Playstation streaming supports third-party offerings either when it comes to mobile controllers.

Either way, right now Playstation is far ahead in terms of subs, but we are talking about the situation that comes when Call of Duty and Elder Scrolls hit. Xbox has the capability to offer 3 times the number of AAA exclusives yearly in a few years. That's the point here, that there is a horizon coming, where Game Pass is significantly bigger than it currently is, to the point where Playstation can't maintain the dominant position they currently have in terms of premier first-party offerings.

Now, Sony has the option to start offering day one at any point, but once the pendulum swings, they need to have all of this in place. Also, do consider just how much Xbox has grown in the last few years, there is a trend here.
 

yurinka

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I am not saying the Playstation cloud service is bad, as it stands, I still think playing in the cloud is so far behind playing locally that I don't want to, but xCloud in my experience runs better and faster on all devices. And I don't know if Playstation streaming supports third-party offerings either when it comes to mobile controllers.

we are talking about the situation that comes when Call of Duty and Elder Scrolls hit. Xbox has the capability to offer 3 times the number of AAA exclusives yearly in a few years.
We'll see if it's the case, the reality right now is that Sony delivers way more 1st party games than MS. Just compare what they released until now this generation, or what they released this year. And Sony is making their studios bigger and acquiring more studios to release more games than now.

Meanwhile MS bought a gazillion studios, but we're still waiting to see the results. I'm confident that MS will be able to acquire ABK and that maybe next year they'll start to have consistently at least a big 1st party game per quarter or two. But until now I acknowledge MS is working on it but they are still not delivering.

Seems that at least 2 or 3 CoD (not counting Warzone 2, its F2P) will still have the Sony deal, meaning that during more than a year after release won't be on GP. So pretty likely we'll have to wait for at least 3 or 4 year to see a new CoD releasing day one on GP. We'll also have to see if they also release it on PS these 3 years or not because it will seriously affect its performance on GP.

We'll also have to see the impact of Elder Scrolls. To see if it is multiplatform or not. To see if it's successful like Skyrim or if instead is more like Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76. To see if it has a good launch of if it's another broken launch with many issues.

We'll also have to see if these supposed CoD and ESVI impacts happen this generation or in the next one, because in 2027 pretty likely they'll release the PS6.

We'll also have to see the states of the CoD and ESVI brands are once they become exclusive, if they become exclusive, and how do they perform without PlayStation, and what competition do they have when released. Because I think pretty likely many people who played them simply will play other games on PlayStation.

They'll have open world RPGs from Sony, Square, Rockstar or Ubisoft and shooters than in addition to the usual suspects, exclusives new IPs from people like Bungie (multiple), Deviation or Firewalk or even other multi and exclusive shooters and open world RPGs that will released before CoD or ES -maybe, maybe not- become exclusive.

That's the point here, that there is a horizon coming, where Game Pass is significantly bigger than it currently is, to the point where Playstation can't maintain the dominant position they currently have in terms of premier first-party offerings.
Numbers say that Sony has like twice the active userbase and game subs, that cloud gaming is a very small part of the gaming market, that Sony numbers in many areas keep getting bigger year after year they keep improving their numbers and breaking numbers.

There seems to big demand there, so once they solve manufacturing issues their consoles could sell a lot and skyrocket these numbers and records.

Gamepass -and even less xCloud- had no impact on Sony's success, and market numbers also tell us that CoD sales or revenue on PS are are a tiny percentage of the total ones, and also smaller than the multi-year growth that Sony has. Meaning that even if they lose CoD and all their customers (which won't be the case even if it goes exclusive, many will continue on PS) that growth will compensate it.

GP was stuck in their growth until they got a bump in subs for Halo and Forza, and then MS stopped also providing the subs numbers, which in any case we didn't know what portion of them did use xCloud or were paying subs and still are far from the Sony ones.

No market data leads to think Sony is getting affected by MS, GP and even less xCloud or that may get affected by them, so only fan wishes remain to think it's the case.

Now, Sony has the option to start offering day one at any point, but once the pendulum swings, they need to have all of this in place. Also, do consider just how much Xbox has grown in the last few years, there is a trend here.
Sony won't take it because they have a more successful and profitable strategy that makes more sense for them: to sell their games only on their console and over a year or two once they stop selling to put some of them (not all) in their game sub or release a PC port. Plus also to market these IPs to a wider audience by making movies, tv shows or mobile games of them.

And to reinvest part of this profit to grow their teams and make even more games, to continue increasing their market lead in consoles while also growing in other areas like VR, PC, mobile, movies etc. while also expanding their 1st party offerings expanding on new areas where they did a little presence before like MP, GaaS or new genres and game types like shooters etc.
 
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Hobbygaming

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Has Nintendo disappeared recently?

Lmao, come now my guy.
PlayStation will always be better than Nintendo for me personally. Nintendo is still great and I respect them but PlayStation is the best to ever do it
 

Himuro

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It's odd that people took this post and read it as "Sony is doomed and will die like Atari".

I didn't realize the discourse on gaf was that bad these days. This place is chockful of fanboys.
 
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