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[Tsaki]

Considering all these reviews are from people who paid $30-50 extra just to play the game early… isn’t 11% negative a bad sign?

You can argue about it both ways really: 1) The people that paid so much for it are more eager to score it highly, since this is a game that they've been waiting since Fallout 4 released. Having validation about their decision can guide their score. 2) People that paid much more for it and waited for so long are likelier to be harsher with the game, since they have high expectations and paid the premium as well.

 

[feynoob]

Those tweets directly contradicts your point

It really doesn't.
Bethesda didn't just start making the game. They also had to upgrade the engine.

Starfield started 2013 for the green light.

has always sort of been around it took us a long time where. we could finally make that a reality. and it was just about 10 years ago 2013. that we decided it was going to be our next game.

There is a lot of process before going in full on production.

 

[azertydu91]

It really doesn't.
Bethesda didn't just start making the game. They also had to upgrade the engine.

Starfield started 2013 for the green light.

There is a lot of process before going in full on production.

But still nothing you posted means that the "B" team was working on FO76.

 

[feynoob]

WHAT? No! That’s Arkane. Those 2 Arkane studios were working on Deathloop and Prey/Redfall.

We’re talking about Bethesda, the game studio. Not Bethesda, the publisher.

And that is what I am saying.
Bethesda has Maryland and Austin.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Some people are really suffering over this game on here.

Guess they gotta keep on fighting to try and discredit it.

It's not perfect, rough around the edges but damn what it does well is special.

If you want a Bethesda game. Its a brilliant one of those. If you expected something else. It won't deliver on that.

 

[Heisenberg007]

And that is what I am saying.
Bethesda has Maryland and Austin.

And they were all working on Fallout 76.

 

[feynoob]

But still nothing you posted means that the "B" team was working on FO76.

Report Suggests Todd Howard Neglected Fallout 76 to Focus on Starfield

A report suggests that Todd Howard neglected Fallout 76 to focus most of his attention on the upcoming Starfield sci-fi RPG instead.

gamerant.com

The main team attention was on starfield.

We know what full Bethesda is capable of.

 

[twilo99]

In line with reviews.

Can we say the same for the 15 95+ from xbox something sites?

Those are even worse

 

[azertydu91]

Report Suggests Todd Howard Neglected Fallout 76 to Focus on Starfield

A report suggests that Todd Howard neglected Fallout 76 to focus most of his attention on the upcoming Starfield sci-fi RPG instead.

gamerant.com

The main team attention was on starfield.

We know what full Bethesda is capable of.

That's just a report vs an actual journalist (woke but good for these k_nd of news) directly contradicting the report.
Edit:
Nothing in your link talks about the team just Todd Howard.

 

[feynoob]

And they were all working on Fallout 76.

Not the main team. The team that made Skyrim, fallout.
It's like Cory balrog working on new god of war, instead of the spin off.

Hence why Bethesda Austin was working on the game. The main team attention was on starfield.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Some people are really suffering over this game on here.

Guess they gotta keep on fighting to try and discredit it.

It's not perfect, rough around the edges but damn what it does well is special.

If you want a Bethesda game. Its a brilliant one of those. If you expected something else. It won't deliver on that.

This game really is in a lot of people's heads almost like its keeping them up at night trying to figure out what other bad things they can say about it.

 

[feynoob]

This game really is in a lot of people's heads almost like its keeping them up at night trying to figure out what other bad things they can say about it.

Console wars and hype are the main problem.
Now everyone is gassing up the game, because it didn't live up to the hype.
It doesn't do good that the game uses an old outdated loading screen too much too.

 

[sainraja]

You guys didn't play any previous Bethesda game?

This is like that only. In Fallout 3 you are stuck in a vault. In Skyrim you are on trial.

First 2-3 hrs are just that.

I haven't, but I was speaking in general terms, saying that 2 hours is going to be a big ask for most people. I plan on playing Starfield today, and it seems like a game I can take my time through, specially if I end up really liking it. I finished BOTW just before TOTK released and I was playing that throughout the years, just taking my time through it lol. BOTW is one my favorite games.

 

[tommycronin]

What controversy?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Not the main team. The team that made Skyrim, fallout.
It's like Cory balrog working on new god of war, instead of the spin off.

Hence why Bethesda Austin was working on the game. The main team attention was on starfield.

You know that directly contradicts what Jason reported? Where's your proof?

 

[Flutta]

Some people are really suffering over this game on here.

Guess they gotta keep on fighting to try and discredit it.

It's not perfect, rough around the edges but damn what it does well is special.

If you want a Bethesda game. Its a brilliant one of those. If you expected something else. It won't deliver on that.

I mean you could say the same thing about the people who put their fingers in their ears trying to dismiss all the flaws this game has?

No game is perfect, no game is for everyone and no game should be shielded from criticism. Keep your feelings out of it and you will be a much happier gamer

People critizising the latest Zelda, GOWR, Halo etc etc. nothing wrong with that.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Console wars and hype are the main problem.
Now everyone is gassing up the game, because it didn't live up to the hype.
It doesn't do good that the game uses an old outdated loading screen too much too.

I dunno I see way more people working overtime trying to repeatedly tear the game down vs those (here at least as I dont do the Twitter super fans) who are gassing it up because it didn't live up to the hype

And are people really stressing over an old outdated loading screen?

 

[feynoob]

I dunno I see way more people working overtime trying to repeatedly tear the game down vs those (here at least as I dont do the Twitter super fans) who are gassing it up because it didn't live up to the hype

And are people really stressing over an old outdated loading screen?

If people can get mad over pronouns, you can sure hell bet on that.
Everything is for drama and clicks.
With Twitter, Elon musk money makes it easy to farm those drama views, since it pays real money.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I mean you could say the same thing about the people who put their fingers in their ears trying to dismiss all the flaws this game has?

No game is perfect, no game is for everyone and no game should be shielded from criticism. Keep your feelings out of it and you will be a much happier gamer

People critizising the latest Zelda, GOWR, Halo etc etc. nothing wrong with that.

Oh, there's definitely flaws. Some glaring ones.

but, There's sone people not even playing it dedicating their lives to posting every single negative view or opinion that's out there. Extra points for the spicy takes, and they don't even know if that is inline with their own thoughts...because they never planned to play it anyway.
Then ignoring the tons of positive comments and reviews.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Nah, apparently if you keep it under 2hrs you can get a refund..

The life blood of the desperate review bomber.

 

[Topher]

Considering all these reviews are from people who paid $30-50 extra just to play the game early… isn’t 11% negative a bad sign?

These reviews are not just from people who paid for early access.

 

[Griffon]

Doing 7 days early access with steam reviews disabled is about to become the new meta.
By the time reviews are enabled, only the people who like the game are still around.

 

[Topher]

I dunno I see way more people working overtime trying to repeatedly tear the game down vs those (here at least as I dont do the Twitter super fans) who are gassing it up because it didn't live up to the hype

And are people really stressing over an old outdated loading screen?

Agreed. Legitimate criticism is absolutely fine. I've done my part there with this game. But now it seems some are trying to pick apart a 80+ positive review percentage as a bad thing. I really don't get it.

 

[feynoob]

You know that directly contradicts what Jason reported? Where's your proof?

Jason report merely states that the game had full team support after fallout 76. Meaning people who worked on fallout 76 went to support the game.

It doesn't contradict that Bethesda main team, aka the big part of Bethesda worked on starfield.
Small team doesn't include your averages artist and codings. It's mainly top brass who are making the rough idea of the game.

If those people worked on fallout 76, it wouldn't have turned out that shit.

 

[ZehDon]

Considering all these reviews are from people who paid $30-50 extra just to play the game early… isn’t 11% negative a bad sign?

I love this post.

"Yeah, but those reviews are from people who've actually played the game. So, that 11% negative is actually way worse than you think!"

Just brilliant.

 

[Topher]

You know that directly contradicts what Jason reported? Where's your proof?

Todd Howard was not the game director for Fallout 76. So whatever manpower was working on Fallout 76, it was doing so under the direction of an entirely different vision than Howard's previous games.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Agreed. Legitimate criticism is absolutely fine. I've done my part there with this game. But now it seems some are trying to pick apart a 80+ positive review percentage as a bad thing. I really don't get it.

I have levied some criticism as well and admittedly overhyped myself before launch but its still a great game.

Even feynoob said it, its just plain old console wars and while I HATE ignoring people here its time a few make their way onto my list as its obvious what they are doing

 

[mrcroket]

PC gamers don't care about exclusivities.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Todd Howard was not the game director for Fallout 76. So whatever manpower was working on Fallout 76, it was doing so under the direction of an entirely different vision than Howard's previous games.

That's completely fine. Cory Barlog wasn't the director, but the bulk of the Sony Santa Monica studio was still developing God of War Ragnarok.

At that point, I'm sure Todd was working with a very small creative team to conceptualize and ideation of Starfield. But the "bulk" of BGS was working on Fallout 76.

 

[feynoob]

PC gamers don't care about exclusivities.

I am already mad with crashes.
Another reason why I don't like PC gamepass.

 

[rodrigolfp]

People who buy videogames actually like good videogames.

???

Not always as if they don't like the game they can refund it.

 

[ResilientBanana]

If Bethesda wasn't owned by Microsoft and this was a 3rd party game on all systems, we wouldn't be here. Grow up, shills. It's not surprising Starfield has great reviews and a good reception.

 

[Topher]

That's completely fine. Cory Barlog wasn't the director, but the bulk of the Sony Santa Monica studio was still developing God of War Ragnarok.

At that point, I'm sure Todd was working with a very small creative team to conceptualize and ideation of Starfield. But the "bulk" of BGS was working on Fallout 76.

All true. However, God of War Ragnarok was not the massive departure from its predecessor like Fallout 76 was. Not really apples to apples, imo.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I'd be positive too if I could play the whole game during "Early Access" then get a full refund.
This game is fine if you want a Fallout 4 in space with tons of fast travelling.
I couldn't get into it just like I couldn't get into Fallout 4.
The dialogue of death got to me. Having to read responses over and over person after person, eventually I just didn't care and wanted conversations to end as fast as possible.

 

[Heisenberg007]

All true. However, God of War Ragnarok was not the massive departure from its predecessor like Fallout 76 was. Not really apples to apples, imo.

All the more reasons to have more developers, then, no?

 

[Topher]

I'd be positive too if I could play the whole game during "Early Access" then get a full refund.

You can't.

All the more reasons to have more developers, then, no?

Developers don't provide the vision. Game directors do.

 

[ManaByte]

Microsoft will force their studio on fixing the game.

Fixing what? I keep seeing people claiming it’s a broken unfinished mess.

 

[L*][*N*K]

It’s up to 13k reviews now. Holy shit man!

Okay wait I will try one more thing, here we go:

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

You can't.



Developers don't provide the vision. Game directors do.

Actually you could, and plenty of people did.

REFUNDS ON PRE-PURCHASED TITLES

When you pre-purchase a title on Steam (and have paid for the title in advance), you can request a refund at any time prior to release of that title. The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies, starting on the game’s release date.

 

[Topher]

Actually you could, and plenty of people did.

REFUNDS ON PRE-PURCHASED TITLES

When you pre-purchase a title on Steam (and have paid for the title in advance), you can request a refund at any time prior to release of that title. The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies, starting on the game’s release date.

You are not going to finish Starfield in two hours.

The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

You are not going to finish Starfield in two hours.

It says any time pre release you can get a refund . . . . aka anytime during early access.

" you can request a refund at any time prior to release of that title"

The two hours starts after the game officially releases.


"The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies, starting on the game’s release date."

 

[GHG]

You can't.

Yep you can, the 2 hour window only applies after the official release date.

So if you played (for example) 30 hours during the early access period but wanted to refund it before the official release date then you would be granted the refund, no questions asked. The only downside is that you will no longer have the ability to leave a review, despite having played the game.

However if you attempted that same refund (at 30 hours) the moment the official release has happened that refund request would get rejected due to your play time.

 

[DaGwaphics]

It says any time pre release you can get a refund . . . . aka anytime during early access.

" you can request a refund at any time prior to release of that title"

The two hours starts after the game officially releases.


"The standard 14-day/two-hour refund period also applies, starting on the game’s release date."

The two hour limit still applies. You are confusing verbiage for pre-order purchases that you do not have access to play until the release date (the standard pre-order) with an early access release. The premium version of the game was "released" to players some time ago.

As you can see here (and in countless other examples on Steam/Reddit): https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/143387886729883999/

 

[Bernoulli]

I am already mad with crashes.
Another reason why I don't like PC gamepass.

Did you update the drivers? For me it improved with the update

unless you an amd gpu

 

[RiccochetJ]

For context, Starfield is currently sitting between Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 in terms of Steam reviews.

• Fallout New Vegas : 95.24%
• Skyrim : 93.88%
• Oblivion : 93.77%
• Morrowind : 93.14%
• Fallout 4 : 81.85%
• Starfield 81.19%
• Fallout 76 : 71.73%

Draugoth might be worth adding to your OP ^

At the time of your post, Starfield had 17k reviews and I'm looking right now where you pulled your numbers and Skyrim has over 300k reviews and Fallout New Vegas has 185k reviews for example. And you want the OP to update with your comparison afer, what, 12 hours for Starfield? You need to take a walk outside or something because holy.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

You are not going to finish Starfield in two hours.

The two hour limit still applies. You are confusing verbiage for pre-order purchases that you do not have access to play until the release date (the standard pre-order) with an early access release. The premium version of the game was "released" to players some time ago.

I'm telling you, people got full refunds and showed the screenshots. Early Access is not counted as the game releasing.

 

[Topher]

Yep you can, the 2 hour window only applies after the official release date.

So if you played (for example) 30 hours during the early access period but wanted to refund it before the official release date then you would be granted the refund, no questions asked. The only downside is that you will no longer have the ability to leave a review, despite having played the game.

However if you attempted that same refund (at 30 hours) the moment the official release has happened that refund request would get rejected due to your play time.

That just seems too bizarre to be true, but ok.

 

[Robbinhood]

Some people are really suffering over this game on here.

Guess they gotta keep on fighting to try and discredit it.

It's not perfect, rough around the edges but damn what it does well is special.

If you want a Bethesda game. Its a brilliant one of those. If you expected something else. It won't deliver on that.

You just described every Nintendo and especially Xbox gamer for every Playstation exclusive release since Uncharted 2.

Difference is you won't see 100 threads on the front page from fans trying to advertise those games, I never seen this before. You guys didn't do yourselves any favors hyping this game as the greatest of all time when in reality its pretty flawed and not deserving of those claims.

 

[DaGwaphics]

I'm telling you, people got full refunds and showed the screenshots. Early Access is not counted as the game releasing.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/143387886729883999/ You should be refused as that is the official policy. LOL

Steam would have to be unbelievably stupid to give a refund to someone with 30+ hours in. If the game is playable by you, it was released to you and you have your 120 minutes to test it.

The official Steam rules also still state that Early Access is NOT a pre-purchase but viewed as a standard software sale: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess

 

[GHG]

That just seems too bizarre to be true, but ok.

The policy for early access games changed around the time of the cyberpunk fiasco because of the mess that created.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/143387886729883999/ You should be refused as that is the official policy. LOL

Steam would have to be unbelievably stupid to give a refund to someone with 30+ hours in. If the game is playable by you, it was released to you and you have your 120 minutes to test it.

So a policy that is in place to protect the consumers who have spent the most and are most likely to have been duped by the publisher/developer is "stupid" now? I've heard it all.