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The Ashes |OT| Australia v England 2013-2014 - All this fuss just for a lil' urn

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chicko1983

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When Ivo goes back with the urn, the urn;
Studds, Steel, Read and Tylecote return, return;
The welkin will ring loud,
The great crowd will feel proud,
Seeing Barlow and Bates with the urn, the urn;
And the rest coming home with the urn.​

The wait is over, and we are finally here...

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Alastair Cook, England Captain, and Michael Clarke, Australia Captain, hold The Urn containing The Ashes.

Current holders: England (since 24 August 2009)

Series Records:
Australia - Won 31 series, Lost 30, Drawn 5
England - Won 30, Lost 31, Drawn 5

Fixtures:
Australia in England
1st Test - Wed Jul 10 - Sun Jul 14; Trent Bridge, Nottingham - England 215 & 375, Australia 280 & 296. England won by 14 runs; MOM: Anderson (ENG)
2nd Test - Thu Jul 18 - Mon Jul 22; Lords, London - England 361 & 349, Australia 128 & 235, England won by 347 runs; MOM: Root (ENG)
3rd Test - Thu Aug 1 - Mon Aug 5; Old Trafford, Manchester - Australia 527/7dec & 172/7dec, England 368 & 37/3. Match Drawn; MOM: Clarke (AUS)
4th Test - Fri Aug 9 - Tue Aug 13; Riverside Ground, Chester le Street - England 238 & 330, Australia 270 & 224, England won by 74 runs; MOM: Broad (ENG)
5th Test - Wed Aug 21 - Sun Aug 25; Kennington Oval, London - Australia 492/9d & 111/6d, England 377 & 206/5, Match Drawn; MOM: Watson (AUS)

England in Australia
1st Test - Thu Nov 21 - Mon Nov 25, Gabba, Brisbane - Australia 295 & 401/7d, England 136 & 179, Australia won by 381 runs; MOM: Johnson (AUS)
2nd Test - Thu Dec 5 - Mon Dec 9, Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
3rd Test - Fri Dec 13 - Tue Dec 17, WACA Ground, Perth
4th Test - Thu Dec 26 - Mon Dec 30, MCG, Melbourne
5th Test - Fri Jan 3 - Tue Jan 7, SCG, Sydney

English Series Stats:
Leading Runs: Bell (ENG) 562; Watson (AUS) 481; Pietersen (ENG) 388
Leading Wickets: Swann (ENG) 26; Harris (AUS) 24; Broad (ENG) 22

Australian Series Stats:
Leading Runs: Warner (AUS) 173; Haddin (AUS) 147; Clarke (AUS) 114
Leading Wickets: Johnson (AUS) 9; Broad (AUS) 8; Harris (AUS) 5

NeoGAF Player of the Ashes 2013/14:
after England Series:
1. Bell (ENG) 36 votes
2. Anderson (ENG) 25 votes
3. Root (ENG) 24 votes



Media Coverage:

How to follow in Australia:
Free to air: Gem - coverage starts at 7.30pm EST, play at 8.00pm EST
Pay TV: Foxsports HD - pregame show starts at 7.00pm EST, play at 8.00pm EST
Radio: Tune into Grandstand's live coverage on ABC Local Radio, ABC Grandstand Digital Radio, online and on the ABC Radio mobile app.

How to follow in the UK (thanks Dan27):
Live coverage: Sky Sports Ashes HD (aka Sky Sports HD 2)
Highlights: Channel 5: Every day at 7pm
Radio (ball-by-ball commentary):BBC Five Live Sports Extra; BBC Radio 4 Long Wave; BBC iPlayer Radio app; BBC Sport website/app
Live text coverage: BBC Sport website & mobile apps

How to follow if you live elsewhere:
www.espncricinfo.com

The purpose of this thread is to keep all discussion regarding all the Ashes test matches in here.

Please keep discussion about all other cricket in the cricket OT here.

I've done this due to the other thread being an intimidating place for the casual supporter to discuss cricket in.

We enjoy talking about all cricket but for Aussie and English fans, these Ashes are above and beyond anything else going on at the moment in the cricket world.
 
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My Aussie XI for tonight: Watson, Rogers, Cowan, Clarke, Hughes, Smith, Haddin, Starc, Siddle, Pattinson, Lyon,

Would only be surprised if Warner plays instead of Smith, but given Smith got a bowl in the warm up games, I reckon they will be giving him first shot in the first test.

Faulkner is a possibility instead of Smith.

Khawaja is no chance.
 
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valeo

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Haven't heard a thing about the Ashes from anyone in Melbourne. Seems like you guys are getting just as apathetic towards cricket as us Kiwis.
 
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chicko1983

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Moxx19 said:
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Before I clicked on it I thought it was going to be this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waE8Ew5bejM

valeo said:
Haven't heard a thing about the Ashes from anyone in Melbourne. Seems like you guys are getting just as apathetic towards cricket as us Kiwis.
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Must just be the people you are hanging out with, my facebook feed is full of Ashes comments and videos.

By tomorrow afternoon you will be sick of it in Melbourne. Especially if we have a really good or really bad first day.
 
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chicko1983

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Omi said:
In before Englishman posts this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nofkoClevE
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I totally agree with Shane Warne here.

That series, England would have 2 or 3 sub fielders on at a time. To add to that, they were specialist fielders - generally the best 2 or 3 fielders of the local county side - and were on for bowlers who were taking comfort stops.

In my opinion, England should have been fined for some of those substitutes, they are not for comfort breaks but for injuries. Its test cricket, its supposed to be hard.

That all said, it was a ridiculous run given the circumstances in the game.
 
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Mr_Moogle

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I grew up a spoiled 90's kid. I'm not emotionally equipped to deal with the Australians getting trounced by the English. What kind of bizarro world are we living in these days anyway.
 
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chicko1983

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Mr_Moogle said:
I grew up a spoiled 90's kid. I'm not emotionally equipped to deal with the Australians getting trounced by the English. What kind of bizarro world are we living in these days anyway.
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Yeah its tough, but it will make the series we win even greater.

I honestly think we have a chance to win in Australia but will lose in England.

My prediction will be 3-1 loss in England and 3-1 win in Australia.

The best we can hope for in England would be a 2-2 draw or a surprise series win if it gets effected enough by rain. Like snatching a 2-1 win with two tests washed out.

Lamel said:
Fuck england. Fuck australia too actually.
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thanks for sharing your valued opinion.
 
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chicko1983

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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
And fuck you right back.

We wish England were Australia
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nice tag, from a recent comment?

Salazar said:
Australians deserve to get pumped.

Mammoth English victory by spin, I hope.
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Deserve to get pumped, why?

If Australia get pumped, it will be because of Broad. He is the match winning bowler and is inform from what I watched against NZ.

Anderson and Swan do not do as well as Broad against Australia.
 
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sohois

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Probably won't be able to see most of the first test due to time difference and traveling but will in holiday in England for the rest of the series. Hopefully I'll be able to head down for one of the tests for a day.

Anyways, reckon England will cruise to wins in both series, the difference in quality is just too large at the moment. It's basically the reverse of 20 years ago.
 
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chicko1983 said:
Deserve to get pumped, why?
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Particularly if Watson is in.

The blarney about being "well placed" ahead of the first test has been embarrassing. It's a fucken shambles. I understand putting up a front for morale, but a proper flogging to shake loose the bullshit that's been spoken about Clarke "oozing class and authority as a test captain" is in order.
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
While Australia have been a bit of a mess in recent months, England are nowhere near as strong as they are being made out to be.

Bairstow is unproven, Root unproven (particularly opening) and Bell is out of form. Similarly, Swann has been hurt by his recent injury run and the fourth bowler is not a reliable pick. Add in that Broad is the very definition of mercurial and you can see that this will not be the steamrollering that some are promising.

That said, I think we will edge it; with Pietersen being the main player.
 
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vcassano1 said:
While Australia have been a bit of a mess in recent months, England are nowhere near as strong as they are being made out to be.

Bairstow is unproven, Root unproven (particularly opening) and Bell is out of form. Similarly, Swann has been hurt by his recent injury run and the fourth bowler is not a reliable pick. Add in that Broad is the very definition of mercurial and you can see that this will not be the steamrollering that some are promising.

That said, I think we will edge it; with Pietersen being the main player.
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I agree with this post 100%.

Root opening is a good thing for Australia. The Aussie quicks, in particular Pattinson, will target Root early.

Bairstow hasnt looked up to international standard when I have seen him. Even scoring runs against SA, he didnt look great.

Broad and Pietersen are the biggest threats for Australia in my opinion. Both of them are matchwinners who will take the game out of Australia's reach in a session. Trott and Cook cannot turn a game as quickly as much as Pietersen and Broad.
 
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lexi said:
Er, are there two series this year? What?
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Yeah. Australia were scheduled to play in England this year with England in Australia for summer 2014/15.

However, Australia is hosting the ODI world cup in summer 2014/15 so rather than wait until summer 2015/16, they decided the move the Ashes forward to 2013/14.

For cricket lovers its almost heaven! 10 tests back to back, essentially a 10 test Ashes series.
 
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Moxx19

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So what channel is doing the broadcast? I hope it isn't shitty old Nein with their dinosaur SD quality. I think it might be GEM?
 
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chicko1983

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I'll be watching Fox or Gem and sticking to whoever is in HD and whoever Mark Waugh is commentating for.

I like the Fox commentary team far more than the current Ch9 team:

Blewett, Fleming, Waugh, Border, and Brendan Julian

Better than
Mark Nicholas, Slater, Healy, Taylor (I actually like Taylor a lot), Bill Lawry (is he retired now?)
 
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Moxx19

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chicko1983 said:
I'll be watching Fox or Gem and sticking to whoever is in HD and whoever Mark Waugh is commentating for.

I like the Fox commentary team far more than the current Ch9 team:

Blewett, Fleming, Waugh, Border, and Brendan Julian

Better than
Mark Nicholas, Slater, Healy, Taylor (I actually like Taylor a lot), Bill Lawry (is he retired now?)
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Fox Sports 1 HD it is then. Nein couldn't commentate their way out of a paper bag in Cricket or League
 
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Moxx19 said:
Fox Sports 1 HD it is then. Nein couldn't commentate their way out of a paper bag in Cricket or League
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I really hate Nicholas and Healy as commentators.

Nicholas as he tries to make everything sound more important and game changing than it really is. And Healy is annoying as he tries to be funny.

Taylor talks a lot of sense and Slater is getting better.

But Mark Waugh and Border as the best Aussie commentators at the moment. Border because he knows so much and Waugh, because he seems to say a lot of what I agree with in terms of bowling and batting changes and field placements.
 
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Moxx19

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chicko1983 said:
I really hate Nicholas and Healy as commentators.

Nicholas as he tries to make everything sound more important and game changing than it really is. And Healy is annoying as he tries to be funny.

Taylor talks a lot of sense and Slater is getting better.

But Mark Waugh and Border as the best Aussie commentators at the moment. Border because he knows so much and Waugh, because he seems to say a lot of what I agree with in terms of bowling and batting changes and field placements.
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I imagine the Gem broadcast will be chock full of ads too.
 
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Moxx19

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I remember we resubbed to Foxtel earlier this year and the commentary was light years ahead of the drivel on free to air.
 
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chicko1983

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Duracelllll said:
Really excited for the next 6 months! Warner apparently out and Steve Smith in.
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where did you hear that?

Good call by Lehman, would have been unfair to Smith to not get rewarded for his tour form and would have been unfair to all players if Warner was allowed to play after his ban and not playing recently.

Pick players on form, Smith is in form.
 
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How to follow the Ashes in the UK:

TV

Live coverage: Sky Sports Ashes HD (aka Sky Sports HD 2)
Highlights: Channel 5: Every day at 7pm


Radio (ball-by-ball commentary):
BBC Five Live Sports Extra
BBC Radio 4 Long Wave
BBC iPlayer Radio app
BBC Sport website/app


Live text coverage:
BBC Sport website & mobile apps
 
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It is weird seeing us (England) go into Ashes series as favourites after decades of Australian dominance. I actually think this benefits Australia because they have nothing to lose; they're not expected to win, and if they do it will be a heroic feat, so they can just go for it.

England have to cope with the pressures of home advantage, expectation and the tag of favourites. If they can then they should stroll to victory. I just hope they've made the right decision going for Root over Compton.
 
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Dan27 said:
How to follow the Ashes in the UK:

TV

Live coverage: Sky Sports Ashes HD (aka Sky Sports HD 2)
Highlights: Channel 5: Every day at 7pm


Radio (ball-by-ball commentary):
BBC Five Live Sports Extra
BBC Radio 4 Long Wave
BBC iPlayer Radio app
BBC Sport website/app


Live text coverage:
BBC Sport website & mobile apps
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Cheers heaps I will add to the OP.
 
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GRW810 said:
It is weird seeing us (England) go into Ashes series as favourites after decades of Australian dominance. I actually think this benefits Australia because they have nothing to lose; they're not expected to win, and if they do it will be a heroic feat, so they can just go for it.

England have to cope with the pressures of home advantage, expectation and the tag of favourites. If they can then they should stroll to victory. I just hope they've made the right decision going for Root over Compton.
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They'll be fine. A stiff breeze could knock over half the Australian batting lineup.
 
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Burli

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I am so ready for this, my weeks will be dripping in cricket, watching Ashes all day, playing at the weekend.

Typical though that on the first day I have to help a friend move house, Pfffft.
 
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chicko1983

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Australian XI as confirmed on news.com.au:

Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke (capt), Phil Hughes, Steve Smith, Brad Haddin, Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon

Its a good team I think, as good as we have.
 
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Dan27 said:
How to follow the Ashes in the UK:

TV

Live coverage: Sky Sports Ashes HD (aka Sky Sports HD 2)
Highlights: Channel 5: Every day at 7pm


Radio (ball-by-ball commentary):
BBC Five Live Sports Extra
BBC Radio 4 Long Wave
BBC iPlayer Radio app
BBC Sport website/app


Live text coverage:
BBC Sport website & mobile apps
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Such a stupid decision by the ECB to give Sky exclusive rights. The ashes is one of those things a whole country can get behind, but probably won't get people to sign up to pay tv in itself. There was a massive outcry when Nein gave up the rights in 05 even John Howard got behind the campaign to get it on SBS/ABC.
 
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bomma_man said:
Such a stupid decision by the ECB to give Sky exclusive rights. The ashes is one of those things a whole country can get behind, but probably won't get people to sign up to pay tv in itself. There was a massive outcry when Nein gave up the rights in 05 even John Howard got behind the campaign to get it on SBS/ABC.
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Yep, pay tv only is a stupid decision. Cuts out a huge audience and fans.
 
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Sky cover it really well - but I agree that it is a shame that the game can't reach a bigger audience. With it being on Sky, even if you assumed that everybody had Sky - it still means that to be watching the Ashes, you want to be watching the Ashes - you can't really stumble across it like you could with it on BBC or Channel 4.
 
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GRW810

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Seeing as they've created a Sky Sports Ashes channel for the series, they should have introduced a deal in which viewers could subscribe to just that channel for just the Ashes, without the other channels and for a lower price. They would have people signing up in their droves.
 
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