I mean I know plenty of gamers who have no idea what GG is, one of my friends even mistaken it to be a feminist movement since he had only heard of it in passing. But yeah, if you are posting in Neogaf I'm very surprised if you have no idea what GG is.
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I mean I know plenty of gamers who have no idea what GG is, one of my friends even mistaken it to be a feminist movement since he had only heard of it in passing. But yeah, if you are posting in Neogaf I'm very surprised if you have no idea what GG is.
It's not uncommon for GGers to feign ignorance. Pretending to be a neutral while "just asking questions" and slowly pushing a pro-GG narrative is an actual tactic discussed and advocated on places like chans and reddit
It's called red pilling and sea lioning.
theCalamity
Member
I think he knew the answer.
Holy...shit. I'm gonna step away from this conversation before I say something I shouldn't. Your ignorance is mindblowing.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That... doesn't really make much sense.
Also, if you didn't follow GG closely, why do you have such a lengthy opinion on the subject...?
I know, it was just a joke about how this does not work for a 2007 joined almost 10k NeoGAF poster
He is one of the CEOs. Of a company that is largely very progressive and liberal in terms of comic writers, film writers/directors and actors. And he has literally been pushed out of the movie division because of his views impacting the films in the early days of the MCU.
This game is created by a small number of people, I think someone said six. And we know that two of them -- the producer and the actual writer of the game -- are GameGate-supporting, feminist-hating men who think that Zoe Quinn lied about being harassed.
Amazingly, not all opinions hold the same kind of weight. "I don't like cucumber water" doesn't have the same negative impact as an opinion like "I think women that are fighting for equal and fair treatment are actually overzealous, and should be considered a threat that will lead us to a dystopian future hellscape. Here's my pamphlet on the subject."
Unclebenny
Member
Part of what makes the entire movement so insidious. Not only are they blatant harassers and misogynists but they also have members who step into discussions to derail or stall them.
If someone is happy to promote this hateful group in their project there is no reasonable argument against refusing to support them financially or any other way.
Anyone who insists you can ignore the core message of the game is posturing and/or being willfully ignorant.
Dyson Industries
Banned
*yawn* yet another post equating not being a misogynist asshole as political correctness.
Let's make it plain - GGers and their ilk are not people to be respected. They don't hold opinions worth considering. They're assholes, and up until two days ago, this guy was co-signing that hateful bollocks.
To hell with him and his game.
What a bold pioneer you are.
it's about ethics in baby cannibalism
Monochromaticx
Member
LMAO
Muffin1611
Banned
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
You managed to be insulted by a cynical tongue-in-cheek comment that leaves plenty of room for anyone reading it to tell themselves "this doesn't apply to me".
Okay.
(This might be a good thread in which to ask a mod to please remove my tag since it was unjustly and nonsensically given and has great potential to paint me as something I'm not. I like participating in social issues threads and I don't see how my tag can do anything except color people's assumptions about my personal politics in a harmful way.)
MrMysterio
Member
Ah! Didn't know the term sea lioning. Thanks for that - good to have a word for that very common tactic (with various examples of it in this thread).
What if they ate babies and created a game that was specifically pro eating babies and based on that belief that eating babies was right?
Good that you're standing up for what is important to you.
I mean, if they're using the game to make a point that equal rights for women is evil, who cares right? I mean, not like it impacts you, right?
What a thoughtful guy you are.
theCalamity
Member
Read that post again
MiddeSummer
Banned
"Oh yeah, this game looked great, wonder what's going on in the thread-"
Oh. Haha, sometimes it just doesn't pay to be an asshole. Well, hopefully it doesn't pay, anyway. Sad about the rest of the dev team, if they didn't share his views. Hopefully they can move on to better projects not lead by the likes of him.
Edit: Also, wow at the defense force and the ambivalent folk. I hope what you get is worth it.
Oh. Haha, sometimes it just doesn't pay to be an asshole. Well, hopefully it doesn't pay, anyway. Sad about the rest of the dev team, if they didn't share his views. Hopefully they can move on to better projects not lead by the likes of him.
Edit: Also, wow at the defense force and the ambivalent folk. I hope what you get is worth it.
lol
But god help us if 1 of the 6 devs is a woman who has opinions. The screaming would never stop.
Really the better question would be "what if it was your significant other/mother/sister/close female friend/daughter targeted by GGers for simply expressing a simple opinion?", could they still ignore such connections or is it just because it doesn't affect their selfish, ignorant ass self that they can continue supporting morally reprehensible people?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Holy fuck where to start with this post.....
probably with the fact thatgamergate was genuinely never about anything BUT harassing, not being a misogynistic fuck isn't the bar for being "politically correct." But you'd know that if you did something as simple as reading.
Ok, i'm just gonna throw this out there, since i can't quite understand what the fuck is going on. Barring the whole GG comments etc...are people actually also pissed off at this guy for giving a scary futuristic scenario where women can "outsource" pregnancy to an artifical uterus so they can enjoy alcohol, drugs etc..like..is that something some people actually think would be great in the fight for equality?
jack_package_200
Banned
Agreed
All the dumb "What's going on in here?" posts are just shit posting. If you want to know what's going on in a thread, read the thread. Part or all, your choice. Then respond to someone in the thread, not your imaginary version of the thread.
The reality is that a bunch of people have differing opinions and reasons for those opinions. Rather than trying to ask or misrepresent the opinion of a mass of people, quote someone and have a discussion with them.
But if you don't have anything to say, do everyone a favor and quit posting.
The reality is that a bunch of people have differing opinions and reasons for those opinions. Rather than trying to ask or misrepresent the opinion of a mass of people, quote someone and have a discussion with them.
But if you don't have anything to say, do everyone a favor and quit posting.
From a pure scifi perspective, yes its cool. Other than that, i don't agree.
clearestblue
Neo Member
I am genuinely curious, what is scary about outsourcing pregnancy to artificial wombs? This isn't a Handmaid's Tale situation.
theCalamity
Member
I honestly see what's So bad about an artificial womb especially considering how many women die during childbirth.
But the complaints about Sorets views on artificial wombs aren't just limited to that. It's a facet of his toxic views.
More_Badass
Member
Yeah, the single fact that you wouldn't have to worry about disease affecting the baby would be incredible. That hits close to home, since the reason I was a preemie was because my mom got sick and we both would have died if they didn't take me out early.
It generally loops back to "women should be WOMEN" mentality that comes with anti-feminist views.
People don't have a problem with the idea of a future where woman can do this, they have a problem with the fact that the guy described the idea of an artificial womb to ease the life of women as a negative "radical feminism" thing that "decent people" are supposed to be against
theCalamity
Member
That too. Doctors would be able to monitor the health of the baby in real time and adjust nutrients as needed. If there are any downsides, I think they will be outweighed by the extraordinary benefits.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
It's an interesting idea to explore. Like, consider the kinship a mother develops as her child grows inside her; would that be gone? Would the fundamental bond between mother and child that develops during that time lead to some kind of disconnect once the child is born? Does it have the same importance as hugging does for new-borns (think of the Wiremother experiments)? Could that potentially impact communities/societies?
My wife is currently six months pregnant with our second loin-spawn. It'd be interesting to hear what she thinks about that idea
So women gaining as much autonomy as technology can provide them is not something that you think we should be researching?
timetokill
Banned
This is exactly what most people I talk to about universal basic income think will happen though.
BennyBlanco
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If you feel so strongly about his tweets, then don't play it.
clearestblue
Neo Member
It's an interesting idea to explore. Like, consider the kinship a mother develops as her child grows inside her; would that be gone? Would the fundamental bond between mother and child that develops during that time lead to some kind of disconnect once the child is born? Does it have the same importance as hugging does for new-borns (think of the Wiremother experiments)? Could that potentially impact communities/societies?
My wife is currently six months pregnant with our second loin-spawn. It'd be interesting to hear what she thinks about that idea
If fathers can develop a bond with their children without physically giving birth to them I think the mothers will be ok. I would like to know if postpartum depression would become obsolete.
theCalamity
Member
He'll, some people develop bonds for others that aren't even blood related :0
And don't forget surrogates
From that perspective, i welcome it, no doubt. However, i was, as you can read in my post, refering to the reasoning being so that they can further indulge their vices and not give them up for 9 months.
More_Badass
Member
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theCalamity
Member
Is that so bad?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Sure, but I'd say it's a very different kind of bond. I'm not saying it would or it wouldn't, of course, it's just interesting.
I don't know if it would. It's not just about the kid physically coming out that causes it; at least from my experience of it. Wife had it really bad. Tough to watch.
That's a good shout.
clearestblue
Neo Member
1. Who cares? Men can kick back and drink all they want, why should women be barred from doing so if they're not pregnant?
2. I highly, highly doubt that would be the reason a majority of women would choose to use an artificial womb
You... might want to read the thread.
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And the framing of artificial wombs as solely desired so women can be 'naughty'. It's a bullshit strawman.
IrishNinja
Member
hard pass after all that gg mess - think I'll just play rise of the dragon again
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