nature boy
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That depends on what the UK wants and no one has a clue.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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That depends on what the UK wants and no one has a clue.
I wish I had your optimism.
It would however also be disastrous for any UK politician to arrive at an election after he promised an exit while still being in the Union.
it was just tongue in cheek, I meant no offence
You mean countries like the BRICS countries?
The ones that the UK makes it hard for their citizens to even get a tourist visa? Let alone affordable higher education and prospect for setting up their business, research or work after education instead of telling them "kthnxbye" soon as they finish? Although this bit holds true for any non EU country, but if you want special trade with them then you have to treat them in a special way too.
That leaves you with USA and Canada remaining two and maybe Australia, who knows what you get out of it? Perhaps you'll end up getting your own version of TTIP afterall, except this time you won't have EU laws to protect you.
Ah man. Hopefully you will get a lot of notice.
PJV3
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Cameron finally acted like a prime minister falling on his sword, everything else had been short term party political game playing. His EU negotiations should have started earlier but he didn't want in fighting going on for months.
He has constantly baffled our EU partners with his behaviour.
Phantast2k
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I have what I would want to see, I always have....that does not mean what will happen...but emotions are too high
Not if you position it as getting the best deal for the UK on OUR time. That would be easy to sell.
CharmingCharlie
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That is true they can't kick us out. But they can make life very very very very difficult for the UK if we try and stay in. Basically the UK would be on double secret probation, the minute the UK so much as farted in a slightly ungentlemanly way the rest of the EU would come down on us like a ton of bricks and they would use any excuse to "suspend our membership" for any slight infringement (which they can do).
Believe me we would be far better off outside the EU than we would being a member under these circumstances.
jakonovski
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Really disingenious the way Leavers want to play games now and not actually leave except maybe at some point hey plz giveus EU bennies. Bunch of welfare queens tbh.
The attitude of some Brits regarding the presumed importance of their country is quite something to behold.
Boy Wander
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That's the problem with referendums. You're handing over the running of the asylum to the inmates. It's impossible that anyone could vote knowing the implications of their actions. It's very easy to vote with your heart and ask questions later. Big mistake by Cameron.
Dorsal Axe
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geordiemp
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And we buy most of the German high value items, to the point where we import more than export....
And who runs most of EU and pays for everything....Let that sink in for a moment.
The only way there will be tariffs is if Germany is willing to accept the hit. End of. Maybe they will, feel sorry for Germany they get clouted with everything.
Makes you wonder why EU and ministers in germany were even bothered. If we make no difference, then why the headlines ? Why would what UK does bother anyone ?
France, germany and Netherlands will be quite happy paying 1/3 more into the EU to make up for us, cant see the issue, probably more now there is the expansion ?
PackAPunchedMick
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Holy fucking shit the remain voters really are a bunch of sore fucking losers.
Its embarrassing.
Its embarrassing.
They are scared, they have no plan, they are starting to realize what they have done.
Just post it.
Messofanego
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second day, still can't believe we actually did it
nothing of value was lost
Your glee over this is kind of disturbing, especially over universities losing funding.
The UK is about 18% of the EU budget. Wind your neck in and stop acting like this doesn't matter because we hurt your feelings.
Darkstorne
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HAHA! They're massively anti-environment. In 2013 they made a housing developer the new head of Natural England (the UK's environment body), and he changed the law to allow ancient woodland (meaning it's been there for at least 400 years) to be developed on.
Given how much HS2 is costing them, cutting a huge chunk of the bill spent on environmental mitigation out of the equation is something this government will jump on. And to add to growing fears, both Boris and Farage are climate change sceptics.
Thanks =) I'm self employed, run my own small business. I've just given myself and my seasonal employees two years warning...
Yeah
Every store in the uk has run out of tissues and buckets for catching salty tears.
paperboywriter
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Also economic uncertainty doesn't help London either. They are incetivized to leave, question is how takes the lead in actually doing it and how.
And the EU is about 45% of yours. Now who has the short end of the stick?
Sorry dude, it's hard to spot the irony around here sometimes...
They can, but I'd love to know what reasoning they'd use. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/glossary/suspension_clause.html
A lot easier said than done.
There are however only two options: you invoke Article 50 in which case you are no longer negotiation on your own time; or you don't invoke Article 50 and you're not negotiating a deal, you're still a full member paying, but just with nobody listening as they are still waiting for you to leave. In which last case Farage will try his best to sweep up the right while the Tory can no longer promise the leave to hold him off.
It's just like losing the 100m race in your year 12 sports day. Just shake hands with the winner and smile. There's really no call for any indignation.
Chinese Cartoons
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Will see how sore you are once immigration wont stop and people lose their jobs
"I got nowt so I will lose nowt"
truly a great future for your children.
Thanks daily mail and Murdoch.
"I got nowt so I will lose nowt"
truly a great future for your children.
Thanks daily mail and Murdoch.
But but we thought you wanted to leave RIGHT NOW to stop the mass inmigration...
Seriously, the Brexit aftermath is just pathetic.
paperboywriter
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Troll.
What's embarrassing is the misinformation that passed for the Leave campaign & how camp Leave are dismissing lot of key points already, but what's MOST embarrassing is that Leave voters don't seem to notice the rug being pulled out from under them.
99.99% certain Leave voters would be acting the exact same way.
PJV3
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It's because it's a close result, because it has real implications for the future. If things go well people will move on, if things go badly we are all on the edge of the shitstorm.
Many have been. But let's not forget that after Farage conceded defeat within minutes of the polls closing, he proceeded to blame the voter registration deadline being extended. Not to mention Leave voters claiming conspiracy over pencils in polling stations on the day. Both sides were going to react badly.
Both sides were full of crap equally
I voted remain. Some of the people in this thread though who just want to be nasty trolls and see the UK punished because they have hurt feelings can fuck right off.
Completely wrong.
1. The timeframe of two years is not set in stone (but desirable)
2. This is about starting with the process now. The EU wants a definite decision to avoid a period of huge uncertainty because
Citation needed.
I don't know if I truly am that optimistic. But I damn well am fed up with being miserable.
Just the sheer amount of work that is going to take. How on earth are they going to get it done in 5 years let alone 2?
Of course not. I mean Farage would never say there would need to be a new referendum after a narrow Remain win and a showing of unstoppable demand. No sir, he would not.
Gemüsepizza
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Alx
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There's no need for suspension, UK will just keep paying its fees and obey EU laws, and anything they ask will get a "NO !" because why would they ask anything if they're leaving anyway ?
UK wanted to leave to stop paying the EU and have control on its borders. What even is the point of the "Leave" if you don't take what you asked for ?
There's really no point in making it last, it's like ending a relationship, everybody's going his way and it's better for both parties. UK should now focus on building its future without the EU, and EU its future without the UK.
PdotMichael
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Playing the waiting game wouldn't help UK's position within the EU and it would be quite suicidal for any pro-Brexit politican if they are suddenly trying to ignore the vote.
Dunno, but your posts appear like you are quite hurt in your feelings.
Dunno, but your posts appear like you are quite hurt in your feelings.
Audioboxer
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second day, still can't believe we actually did it
nothing of value was lost
The fuck?
Although I guess some of you English like getting ramrodded with University debt and therefore wouldn't give 2 shits if Uni's burn because of this.
Up North we pride ourselves on free Education and seeing Napier Uni in that list does actually make us disappointed at best, seriously worried at worst. A country without robust and thriving education is a shitpit.
It's depressing.
Guess why leave won? Because they went out and voted. The turnout for younger voters throughout Britain is staggeringly low - and now, suddenly, it's all the older generation's fault?
http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2016/06/24/brexit-demographic-divide-eu-referendum-results/
The sheer amount of people I see on facebook, reddit and elsewhere complaining about the result, yet admitting they didn't go out and vote is absolutely staggeringly infuriating - and a silly online petition to reconsider is not going to change that. Those people should have got their fucking act together and made their voices heard. They had a chance. They lost it - by two fucking percent.
So yes, I have a huge amount of anger - for the remain voters. I was able to get off my ass and vote remain, yet it seems millions upon millions of others couldn't be fucked. Well, you're stuffed now. Sorry. Deal with it. Sick and tired of the younger population (yes, I'm 27) assuming things will go their way regardless of lack of effort, and assuming things will be taken care of for them. People who do not understand this need to grow up.
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