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[RaptorGTA]

Although I toyed with the idea of getting the game, I'm a bit put off by this:

I played insurgency when it was a source mod (2005/2006 or something?) and really enjoyed it, and I think I'd like the current game as well. But passes like this completely turn me off.

I keep thinking of picking this game up. Heard the player base was low though that might of changed. Honestly with the hole BF left..I might pick this game up soon. WWIII has been a lot of fun.

 

[Concern]

It's been out since 2018, unless you mean on consoles.

I too played the mod back in the day. I think it came out in 2008.

That's just cosmetics. They have a bunch of $3 packs, and introduced the season passes when they launched on console. You absolutely don't need any of those.

Yea on consoles. I heard about it since it went to pc and was hoping for a console port. Its such a breathe of fresh air.

 

[Dream-Knife]

I keep thinking of picking this game up. Heard the player base was low though that might of changed. Honestly with the hole BF left..I might pick this game up soon. WWIII has been a lot of fun.

It's frequently on Steam sales for $15. Player base is around 2500-5000 on Steam.

 

[Shubh_C63]

lol BF is dead then.
Easy money is making hero shooter with tons and tons of skins. Respawn head taking the lead makes sense now.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

All they needed to do was do another solid modern warfare setting Battlefield game.

My point exactly..the same shit over and over..go play BF3 or 4...

 

[EverydayBeast]

Battlefield’s goal last two generation was too apply pressure to COD, it reached new highs, it’s almost like Battlefield is a cat stuck in a tree waiting for a fireman and a ladder to try and end their misery.

 

[FUBARx89]

More importantly isn't he also tied into apex legends? Which is what ea wants to turn BF into?

Yes.

Also the amazing Titanfall.

 

[GusFacsimile]

Ahh I see...thanks

Well as long as we have portal and as long as its supported.

Its come to this. Sad how fans are happy to pay $100 for one third of multiplayer only game. Tragic.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

I have to ask, what exactly is innovative in BF2042? The player count? Even DICE found increased player counts didn't make the game "more fun".

Destruction is pared back, weapon selection is lacking, player roles are now a mess, specialists don't add anything beyond confusion. So where is the innovation?

LOL "DICE found" is your argument? All the rest is your opinion...Lets see..128 players, Huge scale, Specialist dont add confusion unless your IQ is 20 points.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

The specific mention of the UI troubles are very interesting and it shows in the final game still.

There's no way in hell a senior UI designer signed off on this.

Seriously? I don't recall this much petty ness over other games recently?

 

[Skifi28]

When was the last battlefield game without a troubled development?

 

[[Sigma]]

Like I said before, everything he talks about shows up in the game. Identity crises does describe it. Also like I said before, I like certain aspects of the game but theirs SO many got damn not no so smart design things that I don't agree with and they won't get fix. Bugs and glitches will. And that's the end problem with this game. Like 3 of my friends still play the game and the other like 20 or so quit within the first week and either playing a random game or they went back to something like Battlefield 4.

Ive added over 200 friends between Battlefield 3 and 4, I expected a lot of them to come back to the game and they didn't. Some of them I talk to in a Battlefield chat I made said they were just waiting to get it on PS5 when they're able to get the console but I told them if it's just about the 128 players outside of visuals/performance then they are in for a rude awakening because things like 128 players is one of the mistakes DICE made imo lol. Even things like Portal are without problems in the way it's structured.

It is what it is at this point. That said, it wasn't like I myself was tricked or something like many who for some reason just kept taking EA/DICE's word on things, I knew and saw some of things being big issues before hand. So it wasn't like I was tricked into buying this game. But at the same time, I don't know how long I will be playing this game. Within the first couple of days of Battlefield 2042's release I said I couldn't delete Battlefield 4 for a reason, this game(Battlefield 2042) is not a good enough reason for me to finally put that game to bed so it's going to stay on my PS5 indefinitely.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

LOL "DICE found" is your argument? All the rest is your opinion...Lets see..128 players, Huge scale, Specialist dont add confusion unless your IQ is 20 points.

Well, if the developer of a game has tested and found that increasing player counts isn't a recipe for better gameplay then why is it such an innovation?

The scale of the game is big, but it comes at the cost of these fucking boring flat and frankly lifeless spaces. Whoopee, a 2km square. How revolutionary.

Specialists actually do add confusion when players are not utilising ammo crates or medic pouches when playing as the character associated with the role. I see that fucking granny running around and not rezzing team-mates and have to remind myself that the lack of base classes in this game actually just ends up hurting teamwork.

It's fine to like the game, but don't delude yourself into thinking this is in any way innovative. This is a bad Battlefield game.

Edit: also, destruction being pared back is not opinion, it's a fact. It's utterly lousy in fact.

Weapon selection being minimal at best and insulting at worst is a fact. There's barely any guns here. Look at BF3 or 4, look at the number number of weapons there are.

Some people are easily pleased I guess? But I'd like maybe more than two or three sniper and LMG options.

 

[Shut0wen]

Honestly dont think this game is ever going to be fixed, yes every bf is broken at launch but its never in the state this gane is in, knew everyone left when bfv was finished, to many key members and turning it into a hero shooter wow am i surprised? Absolutely not because vince campbells in charge

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Is there a Battlefield game that fans generally agree on is the pinnacle of the franchise?

 

[Naked Lunch]

Is there a Battlefield game that fans generally agree on is the pinnacle of the franchise?

PC BF2 and BF3 are the franchise's best.
People who only played BF on console will say BC2 - but that game is only 24 players (12v12) so they are wrong.

The fact Battlefield is out of original creator DICE's hands and now with the founder of Dooty means the series is dead.

 

[SantaC]

surprise, surprise, EA shits on anything it touches

And here all people just blamed DICE. Of course it was EA.

 

[VN1X]

Although I toyed with the idea of getting the game, I'm a bit put off by this:

I played insurgency when it was a source mod (2005/2006 or something?) and really enjoyed it, and I think I'd like the current game as well. But passes like this completely turn me off.

I own Sandstorm and have never bothered with skins for that game. The character models in and of themselves don't look all that great to begin with so not sure why would shell out cash for that.

It's all about the gunplay, baby!

 

[carlosrox]

Battlefield 2042 just released, dev apologies,and they already talk about next installment.

You cant make this shit up.

Yeah this is absolutely insane. Not sure if I've ever heard of such a thing.

Is the game a complete bomb or something?

I honestly wanted to get this game as long as all the shit gets sorted out but now I'm like...why?

 

[Hypereides]

Developers started leaving during the release of BFV, as EA wanted to compete against other games (BRs and normal shooters) and their concepts internally never given a look at.

EA basically gave the memo of "copy what's popular".

Shouldn't be surprising. That's been EA's motto for at least a decade. They don't give a shit about IP integrity. They'd run it into the ground for the sake of competition.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I liked when they said they had absolutely no plans to do a BR mode. Guess that changed. Here's to hoping a lot of this really isn't final.

I still think it's hilarious that they're leaning harder into hero/specialists rather than classes. It's so far from what Battlefield was and is.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Holy shit BF2042 is just the final death rattle then of the franchise? The next installment will be the death of the franchise as we know it.

I'm genuinely saddened by this, some of the best fun I've ever had whilst gaming with friends was on Battlefield games.☹

 

[supernova8]

My point exactly..the same shit over and over..go play BF3 or 4...

Could even argue that the whole "portal" thing was just them throwing their hands up and saying "we have nothing interesting to add, so we'll just let people play the old games within this game".

 

[RafterXL]

Game is fun..just needs patches. Also broken game releases are an industry problem not just BF 2042...

Keep banging that drum.

Steam numbers have cratered, Xbox has it halfway down the top 50 played list, which is pathetic.

It's dead, Jim.

And GTFO with "industry problem" when three AAA shooters released in the last month and two of them are thriving. People play games with issues and bugs all the time, so if BF2042 is so much fun, why is it bleeding players so badly?

LOL "DICE found" is your argument? All the rest is your opinion...Lets see..128 players, Huge scale, Specialist dont add confusion unless your IQ is 20 points.

Less destruction and less weapon variety are FACTS not an opinion.

128 players is why this game won't last. You can get away with a shitty population with smaller team sizes, you can't with 128 player matches. No one wants to play with bots.

And there is no innovation in BF2042. The tornadoes do dick all, the specialists are just copying hero shooters, which we know is what they are moving toward, the movement is worse, the shooting is worse, the graphics are worse, the vehicle spawn system is dogshit, the mouse accuracy has been tested and is far worse than any other game in the series, etc. etc.

It's hilarious that you've chosen this piece of shit game as your hill to die on. You've literally been running interference for this game since beta.

 

[RafterXL]

Could even argue that the whole "portal" thing was just them throwing their hands up and saying "we have nothing interesting to add, so we'll just let people play the old games within this game".

I said this a couple weeks ago, but when the best part of your game is your previous games that's a huge problem. Not only is Portal significantly better than 2042 proper, but being saddled with 2042's drawbacks, actually makes it inferior to the originals. Portal would actually be better if 2042 didn't exist, which is about as damning a thing as you can say about what's supposed to be the actual reason people play your game.

 

[EDMIX]

Battlefield 2042 just released, dev apologies,and they already talk about next installment.

You cant make this shit up.

lol well...maybe. DICE is split into 2 teams in Stockholm. We don't know what the other team is doing and rumor is simply that its Battlefront 3 based on those actors doing their voice overs at DICE LA recently. Even without the other team, DICE as a main team moves on post production, another team actually does the updates as a support team. To my understanding, this isn't a DICE only thing, most MP titles do this and have some smaller support team that takes over post launch and does updates, maps, DLC etc. DICE LA did that for a long time for them and is still doing that now, so them being in talks about a new installment isn't shocking as why the fuck would some of the developers NOT be working or planning something new after 2042 who are pre-production folks? Their jobs have been done probably for a year or so as the people who do the final push, are not the same that do the early stuff. So after 2042 is done, the rest of that team is already brain storming a new BF title, but thats how it is for the majority of the industry.

It only sounds like its this wild crazy thing if someone assumed DICE ONLY started new games after they were 100% done with all update, patches and DLC of the last game or something, but to my understand thats never been the case.

BF1 came out ending 2016, its last DLC came out 2018
BFV came out ending 2018.....

So....clearly they do start after another title and the team making the DLC and stuff is simply another team.

Keep in mind, we don't even know if the other BF that is in the works as that Free To Play is even being done by DICE personally, for all we know that might be done under ReSpawn or some other team, so I don't see the other part of the team moving on as some wild thing.

carlosrox "yeah this is absolutely insane. Not sure if I've ever heard of such a thing." ??? That just means you never heard of their structure.

The main DICE team doesn't just keep working on a game after launch, they actually move on to start different projects and a support team takes over. So....I don't really know how insane it really is if you also didn't know its how the industry generally does this, as to my understanding Activision, Ubisoft, Sony and many more do this with smaller teams too, I'd say its more rare to have a game like this have the whole team just continue working on the game post launch or something vs a support team.

DICE LA to handle remaining Battlefield 4 DLC

Battlefield 4 developer DICE Stockholm is handing over the reigns to its Los Angeles office for the remainder of the game's downloadable content, publisher Electronic Arts confirmed to Polygon. A...

www.polygon.com

Now you know =)

Reading back, they were already working on Star Wars Battlefront and that Mirrors Edge game, so I don't see anything insane here if you just read how their last launches went.
DICE LA (now Ripple Effect, keep forgetting that happened lol) worked on BF4, BF1,BFV, Battlefront etc post launch as a support team making DLC, updates, patches etc and I believe some other team also assist them from Stockholm. To hear DICE LA is continuing development and DICE in Sweden is moving on is not this new thing, like.....was that not already happening before? None of this sounds like a new trend or a reaction to this or that or some insane move, it sounds like the very thing they've been doing for generations

 

[SJRB]

 

[EDMIX]

carlosrox said:
Not sure why you're taking such a weird tone with me as if I'm shitting on the game or something.

carlosrox edit lolz, took me a bit to find where this was from originally.

You are trying to find a narrative of something being a pass or fail based on game development moving on and a support team taking over, you not only ignored this information but continued to argue it must be based on this or that. I'd say its a weird tone to question something that has already been done before, even with titles that have succeeded.

carlosrox said:
All I said was I'm surprised by how they're restructuring stuff so publicly and early

You are surprised cause you didn't know that they generally do this following a game, links have cited this that you ignored.

carlosrox said:
they're treating the game as if it's a failure.

Thats a narrative you made up, talking about the future of a IP or even support of an IP has nothing to do with a failure. They'd be making those plans even if this game moved massive units or something. It is not ideal to just sit on 1 game simply cause it sold well, you could still have a support team like DICE LA support it long term and have the main development team move on to plan new titles. You are more so making this weird pass or fail argument on a team planning new titles, that is what they've done in the past and had DICE LA support with DLC.

That has never had anything to do with how good or bad a BF has sold in the past...

carlosrox said:
If CDPR announced soon after CP's release that they were gonna hire some new guy to head a series a

Cyberpunk 2077 lead designer leaves CDPR after 8 years​

Andrzej Zawadzki says farewell to CD Projekt Red

www.gamesradar.com

sooooooooo you can restructure and hire new people all the time and it rarely means something was a flop or not as we know not of why someone would leave. Publishers don't just own people like slaves lol

carlosrox said:
I'd get the same feeling that they're giving the vibe is a huge failure.

Thats a you issue. The industry is contracted. People leave all the time to go from 1 team to another and many times its not a news worthy thing, by default that is the state of the industry.... You had people from CDPR LEAVE after Witcher 3 to go to Sony, Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. You are not talking about some unheard of thing, you are just talking about something YOU NEVER HEARD OF! That is what even made me feel like this is more so based on your perspective of not knowing about that strucuture or how they hire or plan developments etc.

If you want to know if this is some new or odd thing, look up what was done in the past. This has never been exclusive to a game failing, a game can move record units and you can still see the director leave, the team plan new entries etc.

Its not saying the game can't fail, its saying what you are talking about wouldn't be a sign that it did, wouldn't be exclusive to failing or anything fucking weird like that. Simply look up how that works and you'll see its very normal, it would be more odd if a team had no one leave after launch, never planned a new game after etc. I've never heard of that in gaming where that has occurred btw.

carlosrox said:
But a couple weeks after Other M released you didn't hear Nintendo saying they're gonna hire a new guy to change the series up.

And? You are just cherry picking. That director might want to stay and leave later on... We saw the Far Cry director leave and Far Cry 6 is moving record units for them, we saw their creative director leave after Far Cry 5 broke records for them too. You are trying to find some correlation from someone leaving or not based on how the game did.... The person that left DICE was already set to leave, its why the already had someone lined up, it wasn't a fucking reaction to something that you are trying to force this "huge failure" on, that isn't even to say the game did bad or good, thats to say someone leaving might be irrelevant to all of that.

carlosrox said:
You don't think publicly announcing they're gonna get the creator of COD and that he's now the head of the series doesn't come off as some kind of admittance of failure?

Not when he has been set to leave and the Call Of Duty creator was already set to take over before the game's launch..... You want to make it a reaction to something, he was already leaving and Vince Zampella is a legendary developer to take over the series, that is not simply some knee jerk reaction move, that is a move that makes sense regardless of how this game did lol So I'm sure its your opinion as shit, it would me my opinion too if I didn't know that dude was already leaving or something, but in order to even have a solid base to see whats going on and why its happening, you still need to know if this is normal, has it happened before, WHEN was that person set to leave etc. If you don't know that, you are simply trying to argue its a reaction to something.

We can't even have a real discussion to form any real thought on this, if the facts are not laid out.

BF2042 moved 4.2 million in 1 week....its now one of the best selling Battlefield titles in history. That doesn't really sound like EA is mad and their move is to fire someone lol Getting Zampella to take over the series is a blessing, not a curse and makes sense regardless of how that game did as the designer was already leaving, thus they needed someone and Zampella is an amazing fit. So I get your view is that its admitting failure, but nothing happening here is unique to 2042 in terms of some pass or fail thing.

carlosrox said:
Yes we all know developers work on the next game in a series soon after the last one is done, who is disputing that?

I mean...you lol you literally stated "yeah this is absolutely insane. Not sure if I've ever heard of such a thing" as if it wasn't a common thing, so I think you know NOW that its a fucking common thing, yet are just saying "we all know" when you stated originally "INSANE" "Not sure If I've ever heard of such a thing" well.....you have now. Read up on those past structures and you'll see nothing is insane about any of this.

Live and learn. Have a good one.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Looks like the Battlefield franchise is dead then. It had a great run up until Battlefield 4 and I'll always cherish the amazing moments I had in Bad Company 2 multiplayer, especially the Vietnam expansion.

 

[EDMIX]

Looks like the Battlefield franchise is dead then. It had a great run up until Battlefield 4 and I'll always cherish the amazing moments I had in Bad Company 2 multiplayer, especially the Vietnam expansion.

I'm hoping the next BF is Vietnam. 128 player, next gen only in some crazy forest settings would be insane, I'm also hoping we get more Portal options, like a map editor or moving Mcom stations etc, I'm expecting that with some other BF title you'll simply see Portal add other BF concepts like BF1, BF4 or out right have a Portal game separate that is all the maps of the older titles in some metaverse type story for lolz

BF will be just fine as a franchise, every release is some wild drama lol

 

[carlosrox]

Live and learn. Have a good one.

Calm down. Didn't read your post btw

Next time don't post at me like a dick for no reason. Your Bible posts weren't necessary.

Live and learn. Have a good one.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Keep banging that drum.

Steam numbers have cratered, Xbox has it halfway down the top 50 played list, which is pathetic.

It's dead, Jim.

And GTFO with "industry problem" when three AAA shooters released in the last month and two of them are thriving. People play games with issues and bugs all the time, so if BF2042 is so much fun, why is it bleeding players so badly?


Less destruction and less weapon variety are FACTS not an opinion.

128 players is why this game won't last. You can get away with a shitty population with smaller team sizes, you can't with 128 player matches. No one wants to play with bots.

And there is no innovation in BF2042. The tornadoes do dick all, the specialists are just copying hero shooters, which we know is what they are moving toward, the movement is worse, the shooting is worse, the graphics are worse, the vehicle spawn system is dogshit, the mouse accuracy has been tested and is far worse than any other game in the series, etc. etc.

It's hilarious that you've chosen this piece of shit game as your hill to die on. You've literally been running interference for this game since beta.

I don't trust journalist or especially user reviews due to hyperbole. When people can hate a game and slander it for petty reasons... (TLOU II, Halo Infinite, Cyberpunk 2077) but I guess Deathloop or COD is fine.

 

[ultrazilla]

What a disaster.

 

[EDMIX]

Calm down. Didn't read your post btw

Next time don't post at me like a dick for no reason. Your Bible posts weren't necessary.

Live and learn. Have a good one.

I simply don't think you read much at all, its why you didn't know all that. You seem more caught up emotionally with any of this then any real discussion, so I don't really buy that you cared about how that was done in terms of who left and starting a new game, you cared about forcing a narrative, agenda etc. Thus, asked a question on something you didn't know, hated the answer, you can't read suddenly and only care about how you came across. So...I don't know what to tell you, asked, answers given, links given to disprove pretty much your whole post. Its very easy to actually...well read and just look up what happened before instead forcing some agenda that something is different.

You didn't know, so we educated on it. Reading can help =)

 

[carlosrox]

I simply don't think you read much at all, its why you didn't know all that. You seem more caught up emotionally with any of this then any real discussion, so I don't really buy that you cared about how that was done in terms of who left and starting a new game, you cared about forcing a narrative, agenda etc. Thus, asked a question on something you didn't know, hated the answer, you can't read suddenly and only care about how you came across. So...I don't know what to tell you, asked, answers given, links given to disprove pretty much your whole post. Its very easy to actually...well read and just look up what happened before instead forcing some agenda that something is different.

You didn't know, so we educated on it. Reading can help =)

Yawn. K whatever. Like I said, not that serious. Was just a simple opinion I had.

You didn't have to "educate" me on this bud, I don't really give a shit.