AngryJoe vid on Rome II shitty A.I and other problems the game has. :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdpIENG0Y2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdpIENG0Y2k
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Total War: Rome 2 |OT| I Came, I Saw, I Came
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Those are some incridble scenes (though I think the boarding/ramming problem seems to be mainly a UI problem and could have been resolved if he selected all and changed the mode).
I haven't had any problems this grave but I understand people getting frustrated if they witness things like this!
VanquishUK
Member
This game looks fucking awful at the moment. Such a shame.
Step 1 : This game doesnt know how to use both your video cards
Step 2 : Let us know how it looks after you turn CF off
No one gets to play on extreme.
More Fun To Compute
Member
First impression of hard mode infantry AI seems to be better in this game in that it is not suicide units or camping as much.
Not sure about the infantry unit balance though.
Rome infantry units are good as expected but they may be a little too good.
Phalanx formation is working but it has to be understood that there is no "charge" in phalanx formation. All it is supposed to do is move forward and kill things it runs into. But Macedonian phalanx does seem a bit weak with standard hoplites.
Couple of times I have found it hard to issue move orders in combat and this is a long standing issue with total war battles. Once you are in combat the units are glued together so you better get the initial engagement right. Because of this, from first impressions, cavalry seems bad in this game which is a shame. You send cav into fight units that you know they can beat like slingers or just use them as a fire and forget missile. Hopefully cav tactics open up with more play.
And from watching joe I can tell that his problem with naval is that he is just not understanding how you have to micro individual ship on ship engagements. Although it is a bit fiddly.
Not sure about the infantry unit balance though.
Rome infantry units are good as expected but they may be a little too good.
Phalanx formation is working but it has to be understood that there is no "charge" in phalanx formation. All it is supposed to do is move forward and kill things it runs into. But Macedonian phalanx does seem a bit weak with standard hoplites.
Couple of times I have found it hard to issue move orders in combat and this is a long standing issue with total war battles. Once you are in combat the units are glued together so you better get the initial engagement right. Because of this, from first impressions, cavalry seems bad in this game which is a shame. You send cav into fight units that you know they can beat like slingers or just use them as a fire and forget missile. Hopefully cav tactics open up with more play.
And from watching joe I can tell that his problem with naval is that he is just not understanding how you have to micro individual ship on ship engagements. Although it is a bit fiddly.
I don't know, maybe i've another build of this game. ...or maybe people play on easy and complain how easy is the game or worst the ai. 
Really, after 18 hours I never see catastrofic situation from the ai...carthage campaign, hard difficulty. If i don't pay attention is really easy to lose 2-3 city or an entire army.
One example, Turdetani try to go in battle every single time with all 3 general. Main army + 2 reinforcement. This isn't a so bad ai.
Nope
Really, after 18 hours I never see catastrofic situation from the ai...carthage campaign, hard difficulty. If i don't pay attention is really easy to lose 2-3 city or an entire army.
One example, Turdetani try to go in battle every single time with all 3 general. Main army + 2 reinforcement. This isn't a so bad ai.
Nope
The Etruscan League was iirc twelve Italian cities, Syracuse and Rhodes are both Greek.
Do you think they were talking about your experience with the game on your machine?
Clearly you are not aware of the many people with monster machines having trouble getting the game to run well or even look anywhere close to the visual fidelity seen in the screenshots and videos released by CA and Sega.
What was originale written was that the game pretty much looked like ass. He didn't specifically mention that it was on his machine, but a general statement.
Hari Seldon
Member
Can't wait to play this game on Friday. Tried it on Tuesday but my PC hard locked early in the prologue. Lowered the graphics settings and had 60 FPS but got the lock up in the same spot. Hopefully this is one of the known "lockups" that the Friday patch fixes. I also realized that I had a year old graphics drivers for my 7970 but I haven't tried it again with the new drivers.
I'm afraid it is an overheating problem, as I am just using the stock cooler for my i5 and not a fancy 3rd party one and I haven't cleaned out my PC in a while haha.
So back to EU4 until they fix this.
I'm afraid it is an overheating problem, as I am just using the stock cooler for my i5 and not a fancy 3rd party one and I haven't cleaned out my PC in a while haha.
So back to EU4 until they fix this.
Prologue is very bugged atm, normal campaigns work much better. But yeah, you will have a better time if you wait for the patches anyway.
SirButterstick
Banned
Do is also seem like your troops have a lot of stamina? They don't seem to tire at all.
Sure does, having my general run halfway across the map and still be "active" is a change. I don't think I've ever seen my units as "tired", even super heavy cohorts.
So I'm making this post based on some of my previous posts. It's not a post about bugs, the graphics, the AI or anything related to that.
This is about what I've observed with some of the new features implemented in the game, some of which bothers some of you.
Simplified cities
Good, bad? Mmh this is up to the individual of us to decide. Personally I like it. You will now have to determine what your city will focus on and plan accordingly. For now I haven't bothered to much to go all out on which city exactly that would for instance profit more from agriculture than others. I'm sure, if you care, it can result in much more optimized cities if you're careful. At any point I don't mind having specialized cities. For now, however, my main focus is learning to deal with squalor, which brings me to the next subject:
Public order vs squalor
This isn't exactly new to the franchise. I cannot remember whether Empire and/or shogun 2 had it, but I'm fairly certain it was there in Rome 1.
Squalor is the the opposite of Public Order and is a way to balance city building. Some of you will consider it too extreme once you see the amount of -12 public order buildings, however there are things that much be considered:
- Public Order/Squalor is region wide and not for the individual city.
- PO/S can be countered by buildings that'll produce more PO than S. There's a specific religious building that give you +16 PO alone. A city center building that can generate up to 20 PO. Other buildings doesn't generate any PO or S. Obviously this depends on your faction.
- Agents and generals have influence on PO. If you hire the right Dignitary you can get someone with +2 PO and be lucky with the traits. Your general can also receive PO bonuses and lastly you can have an edict that grants you +2 PO. Combine all that you can very quickly get a bunch of extra PO to counter squalor.
- Remember the first points - PO and S is region wide. Now if you haven't understood why this is important to consider re-read what my other points. Once you have that dignitary, general, edict and a +16 PO building you start to generate quite some PO for ALL you cities in one region. This will make it easier building those -12 PO buildings.
HOWEVER, I still haven't reached end-game yet, so this might not work out as I make it seem once a lot of those -12 PO buildings starts to pop up. Just be careful and plan ahead.
* An easy way to check out all the buildings you can build is if you have an empty build spot in one of your cities you can right-click on the buildings you can place and get a quick overview of them. For whatever reason this is the quickest way to get a good look at what you want to build.
In this game you can't just mindlessly place whatever you want without consequence. This is something I like because it gives another layer of gameplay. Not all of you are going to like it, but this is how CA have decided to create their game. They want YOU to THINK, which I'm okay with.
Agents
With the first trailer they showed us they had a clear focus. Agents would be more important than in previous games. It wasn't until last night I figured out how important they can be.
Agents have always been able to join the army, but previously we didn't really get any clue what they did, except maybe to counter the enemy assassins. Now they're much more important and let me give you an example:
So my main general died in a battle. He was 66 years-old anyway so fine. I hired a fresh new one to lead my old army and placed the same agent, as I had used with the previous general, only to be surprised. I had taken a lot of zeal skills with her and she passed the zeal over to him. He suddenly had the following stats 2/3/18. 18 zeal! According to the ingame describtion zeal adds to your generals combat prowess. As a result he now comes with a damage worth 103 points compared to regular units (of the same type) who comes with 60. That as damn big difference! He also now have a shit-ton of abilities to choose from along with whatever bonus my agent comes with (+22% campaing movement etc).
I'm not sure if this is working as intended since you can have incredible powerful generals. They can obviously still die, but they'll make sure to make a damn good mess out of it before they go down.
Personally I also have a dignitary with administration and +tax in my main region along with a general. I haven't quite learned all aspects of the game, but if it's anything like the old Rome TW you could have combat generals and administrative generals and I'm sort of hoping that having a general in you capitol along with a dignitary (with the right skills) will sort of push the general in the direction I want.
As you might've figured out I'm happy about this because now there's an actual reason to hire your agents. The succesrate of assassinations and other things like that is still sort of hit and miss although tbh I've used mine quite a lot AND have had great success with it.
*BTW the bonuses from your agent (who's tagged along your general) can be see in your generals window when you click on him - i'ts one of those small icons beneath his attributes.
All of the above mentioned is also some of the things that makes me like that game. Again, this is just my opinion and what I have observed. Hopefully some of you will make good use of it, unless of course you already knew about this.
This is about what I've observed with some of the new features implemented in the game, some of which bothers some of you.
Simplified cities
Good, bad? Mmh this is up to the individual of us to decide. Personally I like it. You will now have to determine what your city will focus on and plan accordingly. For now I haven't bothered to much to go all out on which city exactly that would for instance profit more from agriculture than others. I'm sure, if you care, it can result in much more optimized cities if you're careful. At any point I don't mind having specialized cities. For now, however, my main focus is learning to deal with squalor, which brings me to the next subject:
Public order vs squalor
This isn't exactly new to the franchise. I cannot remember whether Empire and/or shogun 2 had it, but I'm fairly certain it was there in Rome 1.
Squalor is the the opposite of Public Order and is a way to balance city building. Some of you will consider it too extreme once you see the amount of -12 public order buildings, however there are things that much be considered:
- Public Order/Squalor is region wide and not for the individual city.
- PO/S can be countered by buildings that'll produce more PO than S. There's a specific religious building that give you +16 PO alone. A city center building that can generate up to 20 PO. Other buildings doesn't generate any PO or S. Obviously this depends on your faction.
- Agents and generals have influence on PO. If you hire the right Dignitary you can get someone with +2 PO and be lucky with the traits. Your general can also receive PO bonuses and lastly you can have an edict that grants you +2 PO. Combine all that you can very quickly get a bunch of extra PO to counter squalor.
- Remember the first points - PO and S is region wide. Now if you haven't understood why this is important to consider re-read what my other points. Once you have that dignitary, general, edict and a +16 PO building you start to generate quite some PO for ALL you cities in one region. This will make it easier building those -12 PO buildings.
HOWEVER, I still haven't reached end-game yet, so this might not work out as I make it seem once a lot of those -12 PO buildings starts to pop up. Just be careful and plan ahead.
* An easy way to check out all the buildings you can build is if you have an empty build spot in one of your cities you can right-click on the buildings you can place and get a quick overview of them. For whatever reason this is the quickest way to get a good look at what you want to build.
In this game you can't just mindlessly place whatever you want without consequence. This is something I like because it gives another layer of gameplay. Not all of you are going to like it, but this is how CA have decided to create their game. They want YOU to THINK, which I'm okay with.
Agents
With the first trailer they showed us they had a clear focus. Agents would be more important than in previous games. It wasn't until last night I figured out how important they can be.
Agents have always been able to join the army, but previously we didn't really get any clue what they did, except maybe to counter the enemy assassins. Now they're much more important and let me give you an example:
So my main general died in a battle. He was 66 years-old anyway so fine. I hired a fresh new one to lead my old army and placed the same agent, as I had used with the previous general, only to be surprised. I had taken a lot of zeal skills with her and she passed the zeal over to him. He suddenly had the following stats 2/3/18. 18 zeal! According to the ingame describtion zeal adds to your generals combat prowess. As a result he now comes with a damage worth 103 points compared to regular units (of the same type) who comes with 60. That as damn big difference! He also now have a shit-ton of abilities to choose from along with whatever bonus my agent comes with (+22% campaing movement etc).
I'm not sure if this is working as intended since you can have incredible powerful generals. They can obviously still die, but they'll make sure to make a damn good mess out of it before they go down.
Personally I also have a dignitary with administration and +tax in my main region along with a general. I haven't quite learned all aspects of the game, but if it's anything like the old Rome TW you could have combat generals and administrative generals and I'm sort of hoping that having a general in you capitol along with a dignitary (with the right skills) will sort of push the general in the direction I want.
As you might've figured out I'm happy about this because now there's an actual reason to hire your agents. The succesrate of assassinations and other things like that is still sort of hit and miss although tbh I've used mine quite a lot AND have had great success with it.
*BTW the bonuses from your agent (who's tagged along your general) can be see in your generals window when you click on him - i'ts one of those small icons beneath his attributes.
All of the above mentioned is also some of the things that makes me like that game. Again, this is just my opinion and what I have observed. Hopefully some of you will make good use of it, unless of course you already knew about this.
Atraveller
Banned
How long will Silanus live, normally?
You can beta download tomorrow's patch: http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/80662-PLEASE-READ-BEFORE-POSTING-Information-on-Patch-1-Beta-Testing?
Only two. And it still takes ages for the other player to actually play their turn and for the PC factions to play..
Glad to see a patch coming out, I almost wish I didn't know about this game until three months from now when they have a lot of the minor issues worked out. Still going to play off and on and come back later when its more polished. TW modding community is also pretty great, I'm sure this game will be salvaged.
CA announced weekly patching, so hopefully they can tweak a bunch of things to where they need to be soon. There's a great game here, it's just unacceptable that these issues were not sorted out with a beta.
Agreed, I have no idea why CA didn't do a closed beta. Chances are they mostly played on high end pc's and didn't have a huge array of playtests (or at least not the amount you would have with a closed beta)
It is pretty bad...from memory, its always like this though. Empire Total War was insanely buggy, even worse than this if I remember right. I do wonder why they don't alpha the game though. Maybe because people would be scared away due to the amount of bugs? Even in internal QA, I'm sure these are obvious.
They have a play through post by their community manager. It has screen shots of the game but no battle screen shots or footage, it seems pretty obvious that they knew about the issues.
I've been happy with how they've fixed up the other games though. Medieval 2, Shogun 2, Empire all got a lot better as time went on. Just have to be patient I guess, even though I certainly don't want to be!
The prologue seemed like the absolute best way to release a limited beta. I have no idea what they just didn't go with that.
This launch is nowhere near on the level of Simcity or Diablo 3, both of which were essentially broken, but it's nonetheless unfortunate and could have been avoided.
I'd like to say that even with all the mediocre textures on extreme graphics, Rome 2 is probably their best launch yet. Other than my 'incorrect time played' bug, everything is smooth.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Where is my SLI support?
Jupiter! GIVE ME SLI!
Jupiter! GIVE ME SLI!
Apparently tomorrow's update will have a temporary solution for SLI, but I don't think it's included in the beta patch.
I'm guessing this might help? Not sure.
I got into a pretty good groove last night and played for about 3 hours and really enjoyed myself. I've got a good grip on all the systems now, and I've learned how to navigate their awful UI.
One thing I'm really disliking though is the line of sight system. I've gotten into a battle on more than one occasion now where I have absolutely no idea where the enemy is and I spend a good 5 minutes just running around on fast forward trying to find where the fuck they are.
One thing I'm really disliking though is the line of sight system. I've gotten into a battle on more than one occasion now where I have absolutely no idea where the enemy is and I spend a good 5 minutes just running around on fast forward trying to find where the fuck they are.
LittleNemoNES
Banned
I should consider myself lucky that I've had no real issues and that I am able to exercise common sense when it comes to the settings.
Pro tip: don't place everything on the absolute highest settings.
I really liked Shogun 2 and am thankful they fixed the god awful loading. I only hope they can someday revisit that game and employ loading optimizations -- it's very fast on this! Makes the pace much more enjoyable
Pro tip: don't place everything on the absolute highest settings.
I really liked Shogun 2 and am thankful they fixed the god awful loading. I only hope they can someday revisit that game and employ loading optimizations -- it's very fast on this! Makes the pace much more enjoyable
Strange, I'm seeing the opposite really. My 6870 isn't ramping up to much of a heat at all. In fact, in even older games like Mafia II, with the fan on full, it brings it up to about 72 degrees. For Rome though, I've only seen it go as high as 56 degrees, which really surprised me. So very odd the different experiences we're all having with it...
Enosh
Member
I have a 3ghz old dual core and a 6870, I'm not expecting it to run on max (or hell even high or normal only without some low) but when it looks worse than shogun 2 and runs worse at the same time there has to be some issue with something
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
I've been fortunate and haven't had any technical issues, performance has been about what I expected on my mediocre system. My only real gripe is how long the AI campaign turns take. Holy shit how many factions are there? Dozens? Unless I go into battle I spend more time waiting around than I do actually playing. Still a fun game though I just hope they can cut that end turn wait time down. Would a faster processor speed this up? I have a phenom 955 right now.... pretty aged.
Some cool thing happened to me today.
I conquered all the Etruscan Settlements and their last army went all desperate and attacked rome. I thought I encountered my first bug, their army attacking without any siege weapons. They charged the city gate.....and then they started throwing torches against it. It slowly started catching fire and actually broke after some time. Of course I had decimated their army with leves from the wall too a point where they only had one unit left but I thought it was cool that they would do that.
I do really start to hate the victory points on field battles though. If I can position myself on the field I don't want to have to consider the victory point!
I conquered all the Etruscan Settlements and their last army went all desperate and attacked rome. I thought I encountered my first bug, their army attacking without any siege weapons. They charged the city gate.....and then they started throwing torches against it. It slowly started catching fire and actually broke after some time. Of course I had decimated their army with leves from the wall too a point where they only had one unit left but I thought it was cool that they would do that.
I do really start to hate the victory points on field battles though. If I can position myself on the field I don't want to have to consider the victory point!
On a positive note, that's definitely worth it. Some of the most fun I've had in the TW series thanks to all the improvements they made and it actually convinced me that CA could pull of a WWI game quite well after thinking it'd be impossible.
I actually miss FOTS's MP mode. I think the avatar mode could have been quite awesome in this one considering how many units there are to choose from.
More Fun To Compute
Member
I'm actually glad they removed avatar conquest. Beating people just because my army had better morale and stats because I played more was as cheap as hell. Miss the polish and personalisation options a bit as that was fun.
Hari Seldon
Member
I have the same GPU and the game was locking up on me, so I suspect it was the heat somewhere, but I don't know how to check it. Are you running the latest drivers? I was using the Steam Update Drivers thing and it said up to date but it turns out I was a year behind on the drivers when I manually checked lol. I haven't tried it yet with the latest drivers.
But yeah, this is some seriously shit tier engine coding going on in this game.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
I hate to sound like an apologist, but you really should have expected this from a TW game on day one. That being said, this has Empire beat on the sheer number of launch day issues, which makes me think it needed more time in the oven.
Facism
Member
empire and shogun 2 ran in an acceptable manner when i bought both day 1. I expected some jank, as i'd expect most total war vets did
Rome 2 takes the biscuit, not only does it need more time in the oven, it's like it's missing some ingredients too.Hey you don't sound like an apologist, you're correct in everything you say.
I think if they changed the retainers and didn't give you elite units so easily, it wouldn't be so bad along with some decent matchmaking or at least letting you know what rank someone else is before joining a game.
I just think in a game with this much variety, it could have been done properly where you start your own ruling family, pick a side of the map to start on with some unique regional differences in units (elephants coming from the east/south-est, going into Greece to get Spartan units, etc.) and make it so retainers don't drastically improve your army, it could have been fun. It could have just been about good unit variety instead of making them absolutely unstoppable. That way, you could truly build your own dynasty but it wouldn't be about making them absolutely better than everyone else since there's enough unit variety in this game to focus on that instead of elite bullshit.