Saber
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Sure Denuvo doesn't have a history of impacting performance on games, right?
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Turtle Rock Studios adds Denuvo DRM to PC release of Back 4 Blood a week before launch
Sure Denuvo doesn't have a history of impacting performance on games, right?
Denuvo is not the problem. Poor coding is.
MrFunSocks
Banned
You know what affects games too? Piracy.
Fake
Member
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LaughingStock
Member
Pirates gonna pirate. DRMs only hurting the paying customers.
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"- Capcom DRM is responsible for the performance issues. Denuvo Anti-Tamper , while present, is not the cause of the slowdown issues.
- EMPRESS' crack forces the DRM to accept a fake license. Denuvo Anti-Tamper is still present and running in the cracked version of RE Village and has not been removed."
doesn't take being an active dev to not spread bullshit
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Fake
Member
DF said is both Denuvo and Capcom own piracy program in conjunction. So, who to believe may I wonder.
And you said was a poor coding.
because Denuvo's implementation comes down to how it is integrated within the game's code. For example, RIME had poor performance with Denuvo bc they were making excessive calls overloading the CPU. Not because Denuvo is bad.
Fake
Member
Are you saying that may vary between games? Because helps a lot.
Was already proved that Denuvo push CPU. Poor coding or not just make things worst. Its up to you believe or not.
ShadowLag
Member
Barakov
Member
Kinda fucked really
What do you mean already proved? If that were the case then every game with denuvo before and after would see performance gains. That wasn't the case with DOOM, Devil May Cry 5...
If there's bad code implementation of Denuvo then there may be perf impacts. That's the case for any tool/script/algorithm.
Fake
Member
Are you kidding right? Go check videos and google dude.
Denuvo Performance Cost & FPS Loss Tested - Conclusion | TechPowerUp
"In all GPU-limited scenarios we tested, the impact of Denuvo is completely negligible with well below 1% and indistinguishable from "Denuvo off" for a human that's playing the game. Only when the game is CPU limited did we start seeing performance losses pop up, which are in the range of 3-4% and, surprisingly, fairly constant across all scenarios we tested.
We checked for this behavior not only with the high-end GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, but also with the mainstream Radeon RX 580, which is the current 1080p champion at around the $200-mark, and observed no surprises. Even bona-fide high-end AMD solutions such as the Radeon VII don't behave differently.
In yet another round of tests, we looked at Denuvo's performance impact with different CPU configurations and found no big losses there either—the performance hit stays constant at 3-4%. It's also worth mentioning that nearly every gamer PC will be running in a GPU-limited situation, or you'd have wasted money on a graphics card that's too fast for the given CPU. Considering that graphics card performance "costs more" than CPU performance, this is an unlikely scenario."
"As you can see, there is no performance drop while DAC is running." and FWIW id themselves aid any perf issues with Doom Eternal were not due to denuvo but some other issue introduced
I could go on. People scapegoat denuvo. But I'm done as this will just go in circles.
Unless B4B comes out and there are tests before and after that show any sort of significant difference, I'm not gonna be butthurt at Turtle Rock over nothing
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
The beta killed a lot of hype for this game.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
lils
Member
because paying for the game shouldn't get you a worse service than if you pirated it.
i will be pirating if i play it at all, i don't buy denuvo games
01011001
Banned
having issues with them is not the right way to put it for me... more like they feel bad, and I became more and more intolerant towards that :/
It's drm that encrypts/decrypts the program during runtime so hackers/crackers can't disassemble the program easily. So your pc ends up wasting cpu cycles constantly doing this denuvo work, which can end up causing stutters.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Yeh I was going to play it on game pass or buy it if it wasn’t on it, but after playing the beta I won’t. It’s just left 4 dead but 10+ years later with next to no changes.
Another example of why demos no longer exist.
captainraincoat
Banned
i found the beta ok
It was just a small chunk of the main game but the blocks were there and we got alot more out of it than your usual quick and nasty demo/beta
Kenpachii
Member
Obviously it has a performance impact.
Rime is a good example, these guys are full of shit.
That's just your conclusion.
Here's what the scene states about denuvo ( impress the source )
So if you read this, yea its capcom drm that creates this problem.
However he says more and doesn't stop there.
He straight up says it does effect performance. And he even goes so far to not support this garbage ever.
Also here u got the rime crack scene:
Denuvo constantly pops up when performance issue's arrise drastically, same with village and with other games also. Some games maybe have good workarounds or implemented it well or simple just reserve permanent resources they never give free. The reality however is denuvo does nothing but be a negative force for gamers and people avoid it like the plague as result.
I had interest in the game if it was good, i liked the beta. buddy also wanted to play it. Both of us won't be buying it. And its fucking dumb to have this shit in this game anyway as they could have easily created online checks to online servers or even make online servers to start with, so its unplayable offline.
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martino
Member
i don't like drm but this.
the game is not even released how can we be sure denuvo is badly implemented (again) ?
People have proof ?
Shubh_C63
Member
Genuinely asking, Can we really fault a developer (not just this particular case) to not protect their interest.
yes denuvo impacts performance, so does every blade of grass in the game too.
I hate it, but I get it. I do follow piracy scene a bit and Denuvo has made a difference.
yes denuvo impacts performance, so does every blade of grass in the game too.
I hate it, but I get it. I do follow piracy scene a bit and Denuvo has made a difference.
night13x
Member
I was still thinking about getting this game (debating bc the beta did not do too much for me). After reading they slipped in drm at the last second....well that pretty much tells me how they are going to treat their game and community for the lifecycle of this game. I'll pass now. Once they remove the drm and the game is significantly cheaper I might bite. The biggest thing with me is that there is no campaign vs mode that I so adore from L4D series.
Needlecrash
Member
I really had high hopes for this. After playing get lackluster beta? Naw I'm good. Everything just felt off. Enemies are bullet sponges, you get a shit ton of ammo, enemies don't feel threatening, environments seem bland and you gotta buy weapons too. Not to mention the network connection being janky. Now, you want to add Denuvo? YALL MUHFUCKAS DON'T LEARN DO YOU?
Back to Left 4 Dead it is.
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ClosBSAS
Member
With gamepass day one? Lol no way.
Trimesh
Banned
It's happened so many times with so many different titles that it's practically a meme at this point. Clearly the vendor would want to downplay it, since the idea that the pirates are actually playing a better version of the game than the people that paid for it is not a great look for them.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Shame for those wanting to purchase on PC. Tbh though, this game isn’t very good at all. Denuvo is the least of the games problems.
Guilty_AI
Member
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Why do developers (or maybe rather publishers, as I assume they're the ones who want DRM) do this knowing exactly the backlash they will get for it? It's the same story every single time, and it's just strange to me.
My interest in this game was already at zero though, so this just puts it in the negative.
My interest in this game was already at zero though, so this just puts it in the negative.
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Kenpachii
Member
Sorry guilty ai can u ever forgive me
Idiots. Valheim was pirated day one on the web, sold 7 mlllion copy's in 2 months or something made all 4 developers mighty rich over night.
Piracy hasn't been a problem for sales since forever on PC. the problem is bad games or to much money asking for a game which kills any hype for a game. Then when people do buy your product and it runs like absolute dog shit like re village did, u can bet they won't be returning.
Which funny enough results in more shit like denuvo in games by the same developers / publishers because they think its even more piracy that does it!!!!
They never learn.
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purvispisgah
Member
Regardless of performance impact, I think it's reasonable to expect these types of decisions to be made prior to the availability of pre-orders, to let consumers make as informed a decision as possible. Adding notice of Denuvo implementation a mere week before launch reflects poorly on the developer and publisher both.
Chalk this up as yet another reason not to pre-order software.
Chalk this up as yet another reason not to pre-order software.
Wildebeest
Member
There isn't anyway of implementing DRM that makes software work better, it can only make it worse and more defective. That said it isn't clear how much this particular DRM can be blamed for the faults of developers who just don't debug their PC builds as much as they should. Since this is a multiplayer game, I suspect they put it in to slow down aim bot developers and other cheats, rather than copy protection.
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lame gag1990
Member
Hiding this from customers until a week prior to release...
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Bummer. However, I'm playing on GP PC so that means I'll probably have it installed a week at most to play co-op with my sons then on to the next thing. I didn't play the beta, so I'm going in blind. We really enjoy co-op zombie shooters like L4D, WWZ, COD Zombies, SoD2, etc.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Got any links where denuvo is definitively proven to cause performance issues?
read some of the links in posts above that show it’s just shoddy developer integration.
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lukilladog
Member
The study commissioned by the European Union a few years ago actually found out that piracy on PC boosts sales a bit.
Trimesh
Banned
Yeah, its called personal experience. There are lots of games I've personally owned that came with Denuvo crap on them that were subsequently released without it - and they always worked better afterwards.
And as for "vendor of shitware product X claims it's actually good" - what the fuck do you expect them to say?
Fuz
Banned
Yep.
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