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[Nobody_Important]

Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

Twitter’s mission is to promote and protect the public conversation–to be the town square of the internet. For many years, we’ve said that we want to give everyone the power to create and share ideas

blog.twitter.com

There, now can the free speech fearmongers finally stop with their ridiculous concern trolling?

It literally says in the first point that it's going to focus heavily on "de-amplification". Which is just a reiteration of what he said in his original "Freedom of Reach" tweet. Meaning the hateful or offensive content will still be allowed on the site, but it will be "deboosted". Accounts that post hateful content will not have their account deboosted just the individual tweets.


I don't understand what is so hard about that for you to get. Musk was very clear.

 

[Moneal]

So elon is partisan. Good that you finally understood that.

???? Did I ever say he wasn't?

 

[DeepEnigma]

It literally says in the first point that it's going to focus heavily on "de-amplification". Which is just a reiteration of what he said in his original "Freedom of Reach" tweet. Meaning the hateful or offensive content will still be allowed on the site, but it will be "deboosted". Accounts that post hateful content will not have their account deboosted just the individual tweets.


I don't understand what is so hard about that for you to understand.

It's pretty much how Twitter selectively operated prior to him. Now he has it apply to all paradigms.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Playing devil’s advocate here, but isn’t it possible current and old twitter hire outside moderation teams as well? I can’t imagine the company doing all of it themselves, especially with such high turnover on employees moderating cp. In any case, if musk thinks the current team wasn’t up to task, no sense in having them train their replacements

There are outside agencies / non-profs that monitor for stuff like child porn and contact sites like Twitter.

But either way... major change in moderation... that's literally the goal of Musk's purchase. So anyone who cares about content moderation.. governments, advertisers.. app stores... what exactly do you expect them to do? Not ask questions? Not be concerned? Because Musk says "we will comply with laws" in-between his layoffs and hot takes on free speech, talking about unbanning everyone, etc?

 

[Bragr]

No wonder the EU is in its deepest crisis since its inception.

We Europeans absolutely hate the EU meddling with our speech rights and this is coming from somebody who deeply appreciates European cooperation. This will only deepen the political divide also here in Europe and empower anti-EU forces across the board. Also speech rights still fall under national autonomy, so this will do jack-shit for countries like Greece, Italy, Czech Rep, Hungary, Poland and most other EU-sceptic or conservative led member states.

Man, stop making excuses for the EU, they are making rules and telling you what to do. Join the right side and screw the blue fascists.

 

[Nobody_Important]

It's pretty much how Twitter selectively operated prior to him. Now he has it apply to all paradigms.

No it's not. They actively removed hate speech when it was reported and suspended the accounts. I watched it happen. And yes a lot of little accounts slipped through, but they did police the bigger fish and the more hotly reported tweets that had a wider reach. It still had moderation issues, but at least it still HAD moderation.


Musks policy of just trying to hide the tweets so that people don't see them (which doesn't work) is the moderation equivalent of sweeping dust under the rug and calling it cleaning. It's not gonna fly with advertisers.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

Twitter’s mission is to promote and protect the public conversation–to be the town square of the internet. For many years, we’ve said that we want to give everyone the power to create and share ideas

blog.twitter.com

There, now can the free speech fearmongers finally stop with their ridiculous concern trolling?

There weren't any changes to be less inclusive...

Twitter no longer enforcing COVID-19 misinformation policy after Musk takeover - National | Globalnews.ca

A one-sentence update to Twitter's online rules states the policy was no longer being enforced as of Nov. 23, which some accounts have already taken advantage of.

globalnews.ca

Eagle-eyed users spotted the change Monday night, noting that a one-sentence update had been made to Twitter’s online rules: “Effective November 23, 2022, Twitter is no longer enforcing the COVID-19 misleading information policy.”

By Tuesday, some Twitter accounts were testing the new boundaries and celebrating the platform’s hands-off approach, which comes after Twitter was purchased by Elon Musk.

I noticed this morning covid conspiracy propaganda in my feed. First in awhile.

If that's the type of free speech Musk wants on his version of Twitter to harrass people that's his business. It can be aknowledged for what it is, and people, their governments and businesses can chose whether to support the service in giving them that platform as well as comment on it.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Nobody_Important]

There weren't any changes to be less inclusive...

Twitter no longer enforcing COVID-19 misinformation policy after Musk takeover - National | Globalnews.ca

A one-sentence update to Twitter's online rules states the policy was no longer being enforced as of Nov. 23, which some accounts have already taken advantage of.

globalnews.ca

Eagle-eyed users spotted the change Monday night, noting that a one-sentence update had been made to Twitter’s online rules: “Effective November 23, 2022, Twitter is no longer enforcing the COVID-19 misleading information policy.”

By Tuesday, some Twitter accounts were testing the new boundaries and celebrating the platform’s hands-off approach, which comes after Twitter was purchased by Elon Musk.

I noticed this morning covid conspiracy propaganda in my feed. First in awhile.

If that's the type of free speech Musk wants on his version of Twitter to harrass people that's his business. It can be aknowledged for what it is, and people, their governments and businesses can chose whether to support the service in giving them that platform as well as comment on it.

Oh great. I guess I can expect to see more reports of miracle horse paste cures and the dangers of a safe vaccine in while perusing the trending tab

 

[strange headache]

It literally says in the first point that it's going to focus heavily on "de-amplification". Which is just a reiteration of what he said in his original "Freedom of Reach" tweet. Meaning the hateful or offensive content will still be allowed on the site, but it will be "deboosted". Accounts that post hateful content will not have their account deboosted just the individual tweets.


I don't understand what is so hard about that for you to get. Musk was very clear.

F*cking hell did you even bother reading the WHOLE thing?

- Brand safety is only possible when human safety is the top priority
- Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior
- impressions on violative content are down over the past month, despite the growth in overall usage on the platform.
- We remain committed to providing a safe, inclusive, entertaining, and informative experience for everyone

It's like talking to a brick wall. Also Musk already stated that he will comply with EU regulations.

All your fearmongering is literally out of partisan interest, not because you really care about hate. You're full of vile bile yourself.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

No it's not. They actively removed hate speech when it was reported and suspended the accounts. I watched it happen.

Which accounts? Name like 2 or 3.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Like I've been saying.

Apple will work with Twitter to keep the app on the store.. by talking to them about their moderation concerns.

Big fucking deal... if anything GOP congress threatening Apple over this the same day stories were breaking about a child porn team getting gutted was the most ridiculous "government related reaction" to all of this.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No it's not. They actively removed hate speech when it was reported and suspended the accounts. I watched it happen. And yes a lot of little accounts slipped through, but they did police the bigger fish and the more hotly reported tweets that had a wider reach. It still had moderation issues, but at least it still HAD moderation.


Musks policy of just trying to hide the tweets so that people don't see them (which doesn't work) is the moderation equivalent of sweeping dust under the rug and calling it cleaning. It's not gonna fly with advertisers.

No. No they did not. A version of the phrase "hate speech" not the definition of it in which you shared.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Oh great. I guess I can expect to see more reports of miracle horse paste cures and the dangers of a safe vaccine in while perusing the trending tab

I hate when I google something like "Witcher 3 remake release date" and get brought to multiple tabs discussing covid in which I'm forced to read in order to gain access to what I really want to read.

Oh wait that doesn't happen, I can just ignore it and move on with my life. Fucking hell if "correct content moderation" is being as sensitive as yourself at the sight of something you disagree with like a chihuahua who saw its own shadow then fuck that nonsense.

 

[DeepEnigma]

if anything GOP congress threatening Apple over this the same day stories were breaking about a child porn team getting gutted was the most ridiculous "government related reaction" to all of this.

Now that's a take. Which MSM apparatus do you write for?

 

[Nobody_Important]

F*cking hell did you even bother reading the WHOLE thing?

- Brand safety is only possible when human safety is the top priority
- Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior
- impressions on violative content are down over the past month, despite the growth in overall usage on the platform.
- We remain committed to providing a safe, inclusive, entertaining, and informative experience for everyone

It's like talking to a brick wall. Also Musk already stated that he will comply with EU regulations.

All your fearmongering is literally out of partisan interest, not because you really care about hate. You're full of vile bile yourself.

You are the one not getting it. I don't know how else to explain what I've already said like 3 or 4 times now.

I give up

 

[DeepEnigma]

I give up

 

[IntentionalPun]

Now that's a take. Which MSM apparatus do you write for?

Man I really get to you don't I?

Your constant pointless reply spamming is just kind of ... pointless.. like what percentage of your posts actually propose an argument do you think? 10%?

 

[FunkMiller]

Banning someone for saying men aren't women though is moderate? How bout saying OK dude? That is moderate moderation?

Sorry, but where have you seen this being done? Only I see a fair amount of gender critical talk on Twitter, with no sign of any bans. Never seen anyone banned for stating biology. Please show examples. Ones that don’t contain bigoted shit that deserved to get banned.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Oh don't worry I'll still explain it to others.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Man I really get to you don't I?

Not really, just giving you the same moxie you give at times. Nothing personal, nor do I take it personal from you.

 

[Moneal]

Sorry, but where have you seen this being done? Only I see a fair amount of gender critical talk on Twitter, with no sign of any bans. Never seen anyone banned for stating biology. Please show examples. Ones that don’t contain bigoted shit that deserved to get banned.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/writer-sues-twitter-over-ban-for-mocking-transgender-people-11549946725

 

[jason10mm]

There weren't any changes to be less inclusive...

Twitter no longer enforcing COVID-19 misinformation policy after Musk takeover - National | Globalnews.ca

A one-sentence update to Twitter's online rules states the policy was no longer being enforced as of Nov. 23, which some accounts have already taken advantage of.

globalnews.ca

Eagle-eyed users spotted the change Monday night, noting that a one-sentence update had been made to Twitter’s online rules: “Effective November 23, 2022, Twitter is no longer enforcing the COVID-19 misleading information policy.”

By Tuesday, some Twitter accounts were testing the new boundaries and celebrating the platform’s hands-off approach, which comes after Twitter was purchased by Elon Musk.

I noticed this morning covid conspiracy propaganda in my feed. First in awhile.

If that's the type of free speech Musk wants on his version of Twitter to harrass people that's his business. It can be aknowledged for what it is, and people, their governments and businesses can chose whether to support the service in giving them that platform as well as comment on it.

But what passes for 'legit' COVID misinformation NOW? Those old ivermectin theories? Saying "wuhan flu"? If you are not educated on covid by now, is twitter really the problem? I feel like enough time has passed for any actual covid misinformation damage to be long gone, now folks can debate masks, hand washing, social distancing, and vaccines in rather extreme terms and it doesn't matter. No one screamed "MISINFORMATION AND IT WILL KIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL" when Jenny MacCarthy was anti-vax a few years back. Or when some hippy-dippy chick promoted crystals for healing instead of chemotherapy. Some of that shit is just gonna happen and covid has moved to the "who give a fuck?" category because it is SO EASY to research it yourself if you care at all.

 

[WoJ]

Jesus. Reading this thread. Twitter was a mistake as was all social media.

 

[strange headache]

Who fact-checks the fact-checkers?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Who fact-checks the fact-checkers?

Letter agencies.

 

[IntentionalPun]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/writer-sues-twitter-over-ban-for-mocking-transgender-people-11549946725

Yes it's against the twitter rules to directly call a trans-woman a "man" and use their old pre-transition name.

Hence why she lost that law suit, because that's what she did.

 

[BadBurger]

But what passes for 'legit' COVID misinformation NOW? Those old ivermectin theories?

First, the original lies can still have an affect on the credulous who haven't been exposed to them yet - and preventing such people from being exposed to the harmful lies was the point of the moderation against them in the first place.

One new example is that the vaccines cause degenerative heart failure and/or some vague brain disease. The movement has also predictably begun to crossover with Q-Anon, so the old hits are now returning with a more delusional, and often threatening spin.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Letter agencies.

So you think the CIA/FBI forced Twitter to censor the BIden laptop related stuff? Is that the theory you keep hinting at?

 

[Moneal]

Yes it's against the twitter rules to directly call a trans-woman a "man" and use their old pre-transition name.

Hence why she lost that law suit, because that's what she did.

I was responding to this:

Sorry, but where have you seen this being done? Only I see a fair amount of gender critical talk on Twitter, with no sign of any bans. Never seen anyone banned for stating biology. Please show examples. Ones that don’t contain bigoted shit that deserved to get banned.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So you think the CIA/FBI forced Twitter to censor the BIden laptop related stuff? Is that the theory you keep hinting at?

It's literally in the articles.

Twitter’s ex-safety chief Yoel Roth finally admits mistake of censoring Post’s Hunter Biden scoop

Yoel Roth, who was Twitter’s head of trust and safety until he quit after Elon Musk’s $44 billion takeover, confessed Tuesday that the company erred in restricting people from sharing T…

nypost.com

Twitter wasn’t the only social media platform to censor the bombshell report.

Facebook also took extraordinary measures to prevent people from sharing the article — a move founder Mark Zuckerberg later pinned on the FBI.

And before you say, "that's Facebook not Twitter" ... think.

They also used compromised (see: bastardized definitions of "racism and hate") organizations like SPLC and ACLU as examples, not just governance when it comes to "fact checking."

 

[IntentionalPun]

I was responding to this:

There's a difference between saying "Men aren't women" and specifically targeting someone on the service.

 

[Moneal]

It's literally in the articles.

http://[URL]https://nypost.com/2022...oring-posts-hunter-biden-scoop-was-a-mistake/

[/URL]


And before you say, "that's Facebook not Twitter" ... think.

Remember the FBI seized the laptop in 2019. They knew it existed and still said it was misinformation.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's literally in the articles.

Twitter’s ex-safety chief Yoel Roth finally admits mistake of censoring Post’s Hunter Biden scoop

Yoel Roth, who was Twitter’s head of trust and safety until he quit after Elon Musk’s $44 billion takeover, confessed Tuesday that the company erred in restricting people from sharing T…

nypost.com

And before you say, "that's Facebook not Twitter" ... think.

They also use compromised (see: bastardized definitions) organizations like SPLC and ACLU, not just governance.

What Mark actually said:

Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'."

He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".

And we don't know if they did the same for Twitter... Twitter wasn't under investigation by the US government

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

You're not going to convince these people. They're so deep in their trenches they refuse to concede even an inch when you can factually disprove whatever wild narrative they're spinning.

Speaking about that, Deep Enigma has only conceded that sodas are ok in a mixed drink, and he might be regretting the concession already. The rest of the team batting for musk has not even conceded that.

Again, glass houses and stone throwing…

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Speaking about that, Deep Enigma has only conceded that sodas are ok in a mixed drink, and he might be regretting the concession already. The rest of the team batting for musk has not even conceded that.

Again, glass houses and stone throwing…

I don't like soda, so where does that leave us?

 

[Moneal]

Speaking about that, Deep Enigma has only conceded that sodas are ok in a mixed drink, and he might be regretting the concession already. The rest of the team batting for musk has not even conceded that.

Again, glass houses and stone throwing…

Hey, I only drink water.

 

[strange headache]

Fact-check agencies are slowly turning into the long arm of the government and other powerful institutions to control the free flow of information online. It's literally the equivalent of 1984's MiniTruth. Yes, they can be handy sometimes when it comes to combating the spread of nefarious conspiracies, but their disadvantages far outweigh their use.

Education is the only real way to combat disinformation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What Mark actually said:



And we don't know if they did the same for Twitter... Twitter wasn't under investigation by the US government

Uh huh. Sure. That "Russian propaganda" playbook™ ala 2016 that ended being bullshit in both instances. It's like a mobster showing up to your business and being like, "would be a shame if..."

Remember the FBI seized the laptop in 2019. They knew it existed and still said it was misinformation.

Yep. Just trust the system, bros.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Hey, I only drink water.

I personally believe people who drink soda promote hate speech so I think they should be heavily moderated which is what they aren't doing for their calorie and sugar intake. They simply can't be trusted.

 

[TTOOLL]

Fact-check agencies are slowly turning into the long arm of the government and other powerful institutions to control the free flow of information online. It's literally the equivalent of 1984's MiniTruth. Yes, they can be handy sometimes when it comes to combating the spread of nefarious conspiracies, but their disadvantages far outweigh their use.

Education is the only real way to combat disinformation.

Let's never forget the damn laptop...What did the fact-checkers say?

I agree with you, education is the only way.

 

[Clear]

The thing that really cracks me up are claims that allowing bigots and conspiracy theorists to speak on the internet represents some sort of existential threat to our civilization.

As if this sort of stuff was clamped down upon from day#1 on the Internet!

We've already seen the result of years of (mostly) absolute free-speech on the internet, and the world didn't end! And yet now, we're supposed to be terrified of cranks and their opinions!

 

[DeepEnigma]

I personally believe people who drink soda promote hate speech so I think they should be heavily moderated which is what they aren't doing for their calorie and sugar intake. They simply can't be trusted.

Are you trying to sugar shame them?

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Are you trying to sugar shame them?

Not trying, I simply am. I'm not a "sugar positivity" advocate.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Uh huh. Sure. That "Russian propaganda" playbook™ ala 2016 that ended being bullshit in both instances. It's like a mobster showing up to your business and being like, "would be a shame if..."

This is your response to me pointing out nobody actually contacted Facebook about the Biden laptop?

Let alone that nobody FORCED anyone to censor anything at all?

After you said that was "literally in the article"?

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is your response to me pointing out nobody actually contacted Facebook about the Biden laptop?

Let alone that nobody FORCED anyone to censor anything at all?

After you said that was "literally in the article"?

The FBI literally called the laptop "misinformation" not too long prior to all of the Tech companies cracking down at the exact same time. It's all about the messaging.

And whelp, that was a lie.

 

[EviLore]

The thing that really cracks me up are claims that allowing bigots and conspiracy theorists to speak on the internet represents some sort of existential threat to our civilization.

As if this sort of stuff was clamped down upon from day#1 on the Internet!

We've already seen the result of years of (mostly) absolute free-speech on the internet, and the world didn't end! And yet now, we're supposed to be terrified of cranks and their opinions!

Nerd internet vs normie internet, two very different experiences.

 

[TTOOLL]

The FBI literally called the laptop "misinformation" not too long prior to all of this. It's all about the messaging.

And whelp, that was a lie.

People worried about Elon/Twitter call this misinformation too?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I don't like soda, so where does that leave us?

An unbreachable impasse I’m afraid.

At this point only an appeal to a higher power can suffice.

Agree on whiskey being great?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nerd internet vs normie internet, two very different experiences.

Yeah, you had to go seek out the rabbit hole in sparkly geocities pages to read some off the wall shit