GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
PS5 will sell 130 millions lifetimes
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UK 2023: PS5 is almost outselling NSW and X|S combined
Unknown?
Member
I'm betting it will end up shy of Xbox One.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
They report week on week like Japan and unlike Japan they have western tastes so posters here are more likely to "agree" with the sales results.
sendit
Member
You're exactly right. Sony has had a shitty release schedule of single player games since the PS5 was released.
- Ghost of Tsushima (2020)
- The Last of Us 2 (2020)
- Demon's Soul (2020)
- SM:Miles Morales (2020)
- Ratchet and Clan (2021)
- Gran Tourismo 7 (2021)
- Returnal (2021)
- Last of Us Remake (2021)
- Horizon Forbidden West (2022)
- God of War Ragnarok (2022)
- HFW: Burning shoes (2023)
- Spiderman 2 (2023)
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unless something weird happens, totally possible/fairly likely
Stare-Bear
Banned
UK always has been Xboxland compared to other countries in Europe so the fact Xbox is doing such low numbers should be very worrying for Microsoft.
Ar¢tos
Member
Hmmm... I don't remember that game.
Sw0pDiller
Member
Lies! I was told the showcase was utter crap and the end is nigh for ps5 dominance. Ps5 haz no game(pas)s
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
kaizenkko
Member
There's any proof of that?Most of their studios have multiple teams though. Which is something you refuse to accept.
Where's your god now?
MasterCornholio
Member
Of their studios having multiple teams?
Kdad
Member
PS5 Puttin down ones and twos. Smashing that road. Pissing blood. It's the hardest console.
Eotheod
Member
Wonder how Microsoft will react if their total global sales by the "end" of this generation are 40-50m. Obviously people are delusional in thinking they will up and quite the games industry, too much free money. Plus the obvious nature of having a Trojan horse advertising machine for your big multinational company, it would be business suicide to kill off the Xbox franchise.
I hope always for more completion, because the more there is the better everyone performs.
I hope always for more completion, because the more there is the better everyone performs.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Why do you guys leave Nintendo out when you are prissy slap fighting over console sales? Lol
Read the title, mate. Also it's irrelevant as it's 2-3 gens behind.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Mr Moose
Member
How is it not accurate?Read the thread.. the title is no longer accurate… Matey?
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Considering Xbox is just about ready to start releasing games, this comment seems premature.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Why do you guys leave Nintendo out when you are prissy slap fighting over console sales? Lol
Chupanibre
Member
A horse that doesn't leave the starting line until the race is almost over usually doesn't win.
Hmm... Unless it's a rocket powered horse...
feynoob
Banned
Won't happen as they already did 20m+ in at this stage.
The only way for that to happen if some series mistake happens.
Mr Moose
Member
I was today years old that I learned Xbox hasn't released any games since November 15th 2001.
Hogwarts and Zelda are doing fantastic, or killing it as the kids say.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Duchess
Member
Starfield is the big test, IMHO. If that doesn't shift Xbox consoles, nothing will.
Unknown?
Member
And it's the only recent system I know of where it's dropped in its prime years. It has already fallen behind Xbox One.
AngelMuffin
Member
Cause it’s a handheld.Why do you guys leave Nintendo out when you are prissy slap fighting over console sales? Lol
feynoob
Banned
Something something 2022 something 2022.
Pelta88
Member
There is an insane amount of unwarranted pressure on this ip. It has to be XBOX's TLOU moment. Anything less will be considered a failure... Which is unfair. A good game should be allowed to be just that, a good game. But poor mismanagement has led to this single ip being placed in that awkward position of saviour of the platform.
Visual fidelity, Gameplay, Frames, Narrative, Controls, and Story all need to be flawless. Again, it's an unjust situation for the IP but a catalogue of other failures have led to it being placed in that space.
cireza
Member
But it smelled pretty bad.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
At the rate Xbox is currently selling they'll be lucky to reach 60 million TBH.
At this point if XSX|S sells 1 million over lat gen then they have a reason to be happy, because anything is better than the XB1 gen.
Lupin25
Member
It is.
It might not have to justify it with a next-gen price tag because of gamepass, but this really has to be the system-selling moment MS needs. For a lot of people, that one game could be their entry into the Xbox ecosystem.
It’s also a big year for sequel IP/mascots.
- Zelda for Nintendo
- Spider-Man for PlayStation/Sony
Even 3rd party:
- Street Fighter/Resident Evil for Capcom
- Diablo for Blizzard
- Assassin’s Creed for Ubisoft
- Star Wars/FC ‘24 for EA
- Tekken for Bandai Namco
- Final Fantasy for Square-Enix
- Silent Hill for Konami
- Mortal Kombat/Harry Potter for Warner Bros.
XGS can’t afford to be left out of that discussion again this year. And they could potentially steal lots of eyes with Starfield being a new IP. Forza as an IP, can’t be that game this year.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
It will also remain unfulfilled as long as MS push Day 1 on PC for all of their games.
A lot of Xbox's whales have moved over to PC/Steam. Most of the remaining are on services like Game Pass, so they aren't really buying the games anymore, though they may still be buying 3P games not in the service. Casuals and mainstream probably aren't subbing to Game Pass in large numbers and aren't buying a lot of games (they usually don't). They're also being siphoned away by PlayStation, Nintendo and mobile platforms.
They can do everything you're suggesting but as long as Day 1 for all games on PC remains an initiative, they can never fully carve out a unique identity for Xbox that is going to pull whales back to the Xbox primarily. And hardware sales don't mean much if you aren't bringing in a lot of software and IAP revenue, subscription revenue etc.
feynoob
Banned
That PC day1 is going to have an impact on them.
I am not going to buy Xbox this gen. Maybe xss for my little brother when it's cheap.
With EA supporting steam, I no longer need consoles for fifa.
YeulEmeralda
Member
The UK is rejoining Sonyland.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
IMO that is going to depend on a few things, namely:
-Does Sony go full rtard on live-service/GaaS at the expense of traditional AAA and AA 1P games?
-Does Sony shorten the gap between 1P traditional AAA games launching on PS5 and then going to PC (or even try Day and Date)?
-Does Sony do more aggressive 3P AAA exclusivity deals with publishers besides Square-Enix?
-Does Sony fail to either make a couple big 3P acquisitions or even buy lots of stocks & put investments into many key 3P publishers?
If the answers go 'No' to the first two and 'Yes' to the last two, then yeah they will easily come around 130 million. If the answer to either of the first two is 'Yes' and either of the last two is 'No', then I think they may struggle to hit it.
If the answer to either of the first two is 'Yes' and the answer to both of the last two is 'No' then they will probably be lucky to get 100 - 110 million. If the answer to the first two is 'Yes' and the last two 'No', then I can't see them even reaching 100 million. Maybe something between 90 - 100 million in that case.
True. Right now they are tracking at OG Xbox levels so they will be lucky to hit 6.5 million sold-through for the entire year, at current rate. Depending on how the Showcase goes and Starfield hits, though, plus any notable console exclusive 3P games or Game Pass gets, they can start reversing that and maybe at least start tracking at XBO numbers again (which on average did 8-9 million a year).
They probably can't start tracking at 360 levels (10 million a year average until Kinect released, where it skyrocketed from there) unless they can both close the ABK deal and actually have content from it to push into their service. At this rate though that deal is turning into a dead end and they'll probably pull out sometime in July (either them or ABK).
Yeah, at this point Starfield has a lot on its back, but I don't think it's got the chops to be Bethesda's next Skyrim. Skyrim hit at a time where there was a lot less competition in terms of open-world games, let alone open-world RPGs, or open-world games with RPG mechanics. So many games, from Witcher 3 to GTA5 to HFW to BOTW to GOWR to Elden Ring etc., have raised the bar in various areas.
I just don't see how Bethesda outdoes them in one fell swoop via Starfield, it's simply not possible. But if they can make it a really fun and intricate game, and do their best, then it will at least be the biggest release for Microsoft & Xbox since Halo 3. I think if it measures up well, it can do Halo 3 numbers or slightly above it, so anywhere between 14.5 - 15 million or so. That's across Xbox & PC, though, and I think PC will have at least 60% of all sales in any case, likely more.
What Starfield can do for the Xbox console, though, is always going to be slightly muted because of Game Pass and PC Day 1 availability, which will dull overall game sales and Xbox hardware sales respectively.
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Katatonic
Member
Didn't you hear, MS is pulling out of UK entirely.
Sleepwalker
Member
You dont rate burning shoes?
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Xbox is about to release their Phase 1 games in Phase 2.
I wish them the best of luck, but you cannot discount the fact that Sony released 10+ fantastic games since launch, and are now gearing up for ~10+ more fantastic games to release in Phase 2.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
And with that in mind, hopefully Sony re-evaluate some of their own PC plans. There are more games than ever, and hardcore/core gamers tend to play a lot of games. So their current 2-year stagger plan could be the new Day 1 considering there are so many big & small games coming out these days, getting ongoing support, that can just pad the time for a player to be entertained while they wait for a PC port of a 1P AAA traditional game from Sony.
Yet all the while as that happens, they could lose a good amount of ARPU if those same people decide to go to PC. I don't think the GaaS/live-service MP games being Day 1 necessarily hurt them though, since they're built around monetization. That goes for both Sony and Microsoft. Those games still need to stand out though in a market getting crowded with GaaS titles.
Draxon Gamer
Banned
Speaking of Xbox what are the UK and US sales right now?
Yes, ever since the day 1 PC releases commenced, there's three tiers of Xbox, at rising price points to entry.
Series S at $200-$250, Series X at $500, and PC at $500+
If you want the best visuals why wouldn't you play them via gamepass on PC? The Xbox console itself is not needed in future "generations", Xbox brand will continue on.
At 6.5 million per year how long will Microsoft continue to support it? About 2.5 years in, another 3.5 years for them to evaluate their hardware console business?
Lupin25
Member
Another Fallout 76 kind of release would be dismal for Bethesda.
It doesn’t have to it innovate the open-world genre in the same respect as TOTK or Elden Ring have over the last two years.
But as a next-gen game releasing in 2023 with multiple delays, it definitely needs to be unique in its own regard. People need more of a reason to move on from XBO / PS4 / NSW and there won’t be much of a reason to until later this year.
I think it’s fair to say, maybe Microsoft is/has given up on actually selling a high amount of consoles. Their continued push on PC will mean that they could never physically sell as much as PlayStation or Switch.
So it should, its the default gaming console at this point , CMA ABK decision only cemented their position as market leader for this generation. The CMA wants people buying a proprietary box at RRP and games at RPP and the market via the sales figures agrees, UK has rejected cheaper gaming with more ubiquitous access.
MS could never achieve the Playstation level mindshare and sales, even if they had the same quality of games, due to GP and PC day one release, weakens their console brand even if its great for consumers.
MS could never achieve the Playstation level mindshare and sales, even if they had the same quality of games, due to GP and PC day one release, weakens their console brand even if its great for consumers.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
More sales = better market share = better third-party support and fewer games skipping the platform = more revenue for the console maker = more first-party games, better and higher-quality games, and better indie dev support.