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VG247: "If Xbox can't beat PS5 this holiday, I'm not sure it ever will"
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Max Payne’s Baretta
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I strongly suggest a low sodium diet
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Max Payne’s Baretta
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lmao I just need dat sweet Steam version. I wanna crank up the FPS on that trailer !
kingfey
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Lognor
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You're not making a whole lot of sense (and if English is not your first language, I apologize). But you are acting as if other companies do not talk about number of players. It's not a foreign concept.
kingfey
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Does he know what ps+ does?
Swift_Star
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Isnt miles a big ps5 game, compared to ratchet? Ratchet is niche, which makes it not big.
How is that even remotely true? GoW and now FH5 are top steam day one sellers. lmao.
Let me tell you something about pc players. You are lucky if they pay you 60$. We pc players are very stingy. We wont dip anything, unless its on sale.
good try though.
FrankWza
Member
Fuck that. I just drink champagne to offset the caviar. I’m fine.
kingfey
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I was taking a jab at the guy who was trolling.
We Pc players spend tons of money on graphic cards, so these 60$ is nothing to us.
We spent 50$ on days gone. Imagine how many pc players will spend money on those games you typed.
Also miles is spiderman character. It will be much bigger than ratchet, despite the game being on ps4 too.
Ratchet is like metroid series. General people don't have much interest, but hardcore people do.
A Most Virtuous Cat
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Honestly, I really hope Xbox comes around big time and gives PS the toughest time of its life; Sony been slacking for some time now.
Buhaj
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There is no such thing, only games marketing.
kingfey
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It won't. Sony has those timed exclusive card. As long as they have that, xbox doesn't have a chance.
Ff7r still isn't on pc or xbox.
Dream-Knife
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It's all about the ecosystem. The money is in software.
Think about how Apple traps people in their ecosystem. Granted they also rape their customers on hardware, but yeah.
Hezekiah
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XGS has put out some good games, but as stated Psychonauts is on PS4, and Deathloop is only available on PS5/PC for the next 10 months. Flight Sim is niche and not going to interest the majority of PS4 owners looking to upgrade to a next-gen console.
Forza looks good, and Halo is out soon which will create some buzz, especially being f2p, but the franchise doesn't appear to have the same impact it once had, and with Vanguard, BF 2042 (and Deathloop) PS5 is more than covered for shooters.
All indications are that the sales gap will widen over Christmas. The main thing going against Xbox is the sheer momentum PS5 has, and Horizon is out in February, Gran Turismo in March, and Forspoken in April. Three big exclusives which will get massive marketing campaigns. God of War will likely come out before Starfield too.
Forza looks good, and Halo is out soon which will create some buzz, especially being f2p, but the franchise doesn't appear to have the same impact it once had, and with Vanguard, BF 2042 (and Deathloop) PS5 is more than covered for shooters.
All indications are that the sales gap will widen over Christmas. The main thing going against Xbox is the sheer momentum PS5 has, and Horizon is out in February, Gran Turismo in March, and Forspoken in April. Three big exclusives which will get massive marketing campaigns. God of War will likely come out before Starfield too.
kingfey
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All those will lose to starfield. You are underestimating how big starfield is for pc community.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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These kind of articles make about as much sense as hypothetical articles asking if Sony could ever beat Nintendo being outsold by the Switch for almost three years straight. Aka, kind of trash articles no?
There's enough room in the industry now for three very viable platform holders able to see growth and remain sustainable with revenue and profit. It's not like during the 16-bit era where you only really had enough room for two big players (Nintendo and Sega) or the 6th-gen where one platform had an abnormally high marketshare compared to rivals due to a bevy of lucky circumstances in momentum and timing compared to other rivals (Sony).
Articles like this one are antiquated and stuck in the past, in a bad way, and haven't caught up to today's market realities within the industry. It's like saying a record label is financially doomed because their big album isn't in the Billboard Top 10, ignoring that the music industry has grown to the point where Billboard sales are hardly the only metric to measure success these days. It's not the '90s anymore.
Sony and Nintendo also compete with each other but a lot of people in those PS5 UK boxed game sales threads probably pretend the Japan software sales stuff doesn't exist, considering Nintendo dominates Sony there even more than Sony does Microsoft in UK for boxed game sales (and unlike in UK, physical is still a pretty big deal in the Japanese gaming market).
So it goes the whole way around; as long as folks want to acknowledge that then, yeah, talk numbers.
There's enough room in the industry now for three very viable platform holders able to see growth and remain sustainable with revenue and profit. It's not like during the 16-bit era where you only really had enough room for two big players (Nintendo and Sega) or the 6th-gen where one platform had an abnormally high marketshare compared to rivals due to a bevy of lucky circumstances in momentum and timing compared to other rivals (Sony).
Articles like this one are antiquated and stuck in the past, in a bad way, and haven't caught up to today's market realities within the industry. It's like saying a record label is financially doomed because their big album isn't in the Billboard Top 10, ignoring that the music industry has grown to the point where Billboard sales are hardly the only metric to measure success these days. It's not the '90s anymore.
Sony and Nintendo also compete with each other but a lot of people in those PS5 UK boxed game sales threads probably pretend the Japan software sales stuff doesn't exist, considering Nintendo dominates Sony there even more than Sony does Microsoft in UK for boxed game sales (and unlike in UK, physical is still a pretty big deal in the Japanese gaming market).
So it goes the whole way around; as long as folks want to acknowledge that then, yeah, talk numbers.
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A Most Virtuous Cat
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I agree, but one can hope, man
Microsoft is not Sony can take his risks without thinking twice and I would add that as the gaming future looks like Ms is definitely better positioned than Sony: Cloud, Integration with the most used platform (Windows PC) services, number of studios, BC program, platform security. Physical console sales are certainly not unimportant but they are certainly not all that matters anymore. We are no longer in the PS3 / 360 or PS4 / xbo era
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StreetsofBeige
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I dont think the typical gamer cares about Deathloop. Already dropped to 10th and 15th in regional charts. Alan Wake Remastered sold more in the US.
PS Store October 2021 Top Downloads
PS5 Games US/Canada EU 1 Far Cry 6 FIFA 22 2 FIFA 22 Far Cry 6 3 Back 4 Blood Back 4 Blood 4 Demon Slayer -Kimetsu no Yaiba- The Hinokami Chronicles Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy 5 NBA 2K22 Kena: Bridge of Spirits 6 Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy Alan Wake Remastered 7...
Hitchyhero
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I doubt it evee will beat Sonys console... But imo MS have been doing everything right this gen. The have the hardware, the games, the devs. I'm happy I made the jump over.
ManaByte
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I dont think the typical gamer cares about Deathloop. Already dropped to 10th and 15th in regional charts. Alan Wake Remastered sold more in the US.
PS Store October 2021 Top Downloads
PS5 Games US/Canada EU 1 Far Cry 6 FIFA 22 2 FIFA 22 Far Cry 6 3 Back 4 Blood Back 4 Blood 4 Demon Slayer -Kimetsu no Yaiba- The Hinokami Chronicles Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy 5 NBA 2K22 Kena: Bridge of Spirits 6 Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy Alan Wake Remastered 7...www.neogaf.com
Maybe it needs some more marketing? A couple more State of Plays?
If by slacking you mean having possibly released the most and highest rated games in the past two years compared to its direct competitors, then yeah you’d be right.
Topher
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If by slacking you mean having possibly released the most and highest rated games in the past two years compared to its direct competitors, then yeah you’d be right.
Imagine what could Sony could do if they were not such slackers!
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Replace with Coke and Pepsi, ad infinitum. Edison V Tesla. Nike V Reebok. Microsoft V Apple. Amazon V Walmart.
Who gives a shit.
Who gives a shit.
Dontkidyourselfjimmy
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They will both sell all they can make either way
Woopah
Member
Its that rare time when Microsoft has a lot of fire party games and Sony has nothing. Its a situation that is unlikely to be repeated.
exactly this .....engagement ...DAU, WAU, MAU , stickyness and user retention are the real metric of success nowdays. Especially when in any case your console, which is not your entire platform unlike the competition and on which your economic model is not confined, it is selling very well. People should stop being tied to the past stuff like this, or physical video game sales figures do almost smiling nowdays.
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and gamepass. Bravo someone starting to get it
YeulEmeralda
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Wait did anyone expect them to? The closest they got was the 360.
bushwookie
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I agree with you for the most part, but his takes on the matter aren't completely without merit. He misses the mark on several points though.You honestly don't know what you're talking about. First off, it's "Azure" and it's not a product of that, it's the platform that hosts the service. Just like AWS hosts the service that I work on that serves millions of people.
I don't think Sony has done much with PS Now because A) it's not that viable from a profit standpoint and B) streaming is not, and will not ever be the best experience for reasons of physics. Internet packets delivered over the wire just cannot be as fast as a box plugged into a tv.
"We the fans" are choosing to spend our entertainment dollars on who we think has the games we want to play. How can you say Sony's business is not sustainable when it's making record profits? They are trying to increase their growth, which is why they are doing that. They don't have to expand into PC to survive, that is an absolutely absurd notion not backed up by any kind of data whatsoever. In fact it flies in the face of ALL the available data.
Again...
I think that once Sony saw the writing on the wall, they really stopped promoting and investing into streaming games with PS Now for several reasons, but not for the same ones as you. There's enough subscription services out there that suggests that when done right, it most definitely is viable from a profit standpoint. You're correct that streaming will never give the best experience for playing games compared to local hardware. But that doesn't mean it won't ever become good enough to be successful. Streaming will never be the best way to experience movies or music either, but it's good enough that it's blown well past the traditional formats, and is now even threatening movie theaters. The added user input requirement of games makes the required internet speeds/bandwidth/ping thresholds higher, but they'll get there eventually.
As far as Sony's business being sustainable? That's yet to be seen, but there's definitely data available that suggests it may not be over the long term. Sony's business as far as gaming goes is centered around the single player, story driven, AAA blockbuster experience. It's a wildly popular one to be sure, but it's no secret that the costs to produce those games is increasing at a staggering pace. When the costs start reaching further and further into the hundreds of millions of dollars to produce, a simple slump becomes dangerously prohibitive. 2 or 3 flops would cripple lesser companies at that expense, and the risk increases as those production costs continue to rise.
That data alone is enough to back up why Sony is expanding into pc. As those production costs rise, Sony needs to either lower those costs, or continually break those profit records year after year in order to keep up with those costs. That's assuming that they have up to this point.
There's plenty of data to show why they expanded to include pc. Sony can look at how many consoles they sell on average throughout a gen, as well as the attach rates their exclusive games have. If the math doesn't provide the answer they were looking for, then they need to find enough sales somewhere to make it work... Which is where pc comes in.
YeulEmeralda
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"MS's business model is more subscription based across multiple platforms"
That's great but are they turning a profit on that or bleeding money?
That's great but are they turning a profit on that or bleeding money?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Well of course lol. Why wouldn't people acknowledge both?
Topher
Gold Member
That isn't saying much though. There is little indication at all that cloud has any kind of significant demand and there are already plenty of options available. People keep pointing to the future for cloud when factually it is already here and not making much of an impact at all.
Either way, this isn't about cloud at all. This is about the competition between consoles.
Iced Arcade
Member
Primarily team green... I hope Xbox never takes the lead, #1 position always goes stale and doesn't have to prove anything while the guy behind has everything to prove.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Aren't XSX's still sold out? If they are sold out and sell less than PS5 how the fuck would they beat PS5?
Duchess
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(childish giggle)
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Xbox finally releases a couple decent games and all of a sudden “Playstation is doomed”. All of the games Sony released last year and this year is erased from history lol.
kingfey
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I do. How will people will hear my lousy opinions on the internet?
Joking aside, people want something to validate them.
From browsing the internet, it seems certain people are deeply attached to certain things. Whether its sport, a famous person, a game or a device.
The more people spend time with their internet identity, the more they define their life with those stuff.
There is a lady who posts everyday about xbox nonstop on Twitter, vice versa for PlayStation.
Some times I wonder if internet was a mistake.
kingfey
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Its the childish argument people want to stick to.
No matter which console sells faster or alot, its all up to the games they provide.
Playstation are best when it comes to single player games, while xbox is great on rpg/Sim/ and online games.
Each have their own strengths and weaknesses.
At the end of the day, you are going to buy either console, and will spend most of your time there. You dont need to know how much they sell.
Topher
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but Xbox is a platform today .....for this reason looking at the Xbox the same way as looking at the PlayStation is stupid. the models are completely different.
GhostOfTsu
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What's the point of comparing these numbers? You think the player count for Miles is also 6.5m?
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
i dont think its fair to compare both tbh, miles morales does not have a multiplayer.
furthermore, miles morales is a spin off.
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