Yeah, I was impressed by Shenmue but the water effetcs were pretty 90's.(Not a surprise since the project even started on Saturn
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Why do none of the examples initialise the framebuffer format as RGB_888, then?
Well, it's not our fault if GTA3 developers and others say the Dreamcast is more capable than what we thought...
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Anti SEGA trolling tends to get more powerful with each year too, sadly.
Or is it Sony fanboys who can't accept that despite its success, the PS2 is not that good of a hardware.
Not a fab of the PS2 graphics , low res and jaggies.
I'm not trying to be down on Sega and the Dreamcast, but just go look at all the technical demos and look at the API features available. the only way the Dreamcast would have been significantly improving on results is if the PowerVR microcode for the drivers was changeable to provide a wider set of features, because all the examples are features of Opengl 1.4 or less, because shadow mapping isn't even listed, and instead the shadow example is just very simple re-projected geometry in a transparency on a flat plane floor.Well, it's not our fault if GTA3 developers and others say the Dreamcast is more capable than what we thought...
- Soulcalibur was released 8 months after the launch, imagine Namco doing another fighter in 2003 with a 3 years of development and not a 1 year arcade port...
- ... bUt tHe DrEaMCast hAS aLMosT rEached ITs LimITs wIth SoULcalibur 1!
All we know is that it's a capable console for a 5 years life cycle (98-2003). We never expected Gamecube/Xbox level...
Same line of thinking I've been following since the 00s, maybe it would have ended up as a very differently developed game if tailored to DC's architecture but any GTAIII-like seems more than doable when looking at Crazy Taxi (or better yet Crazy Taxi 2 which VASTLY improved the scenery pop in) and its blazing fast, unwavering 60fps gameplay. Sure, it doesn't have all GTA gameplay elements but they clearly had room for a lot of optimization to add more, like going for 30fps (or GTAIII's 20 or less at times), reducing the traffic density and the gameplay speed too. They did cool hair too
Was the PC engine really the loss of NEC, wasn't it the PC-FX ?
I agree but to give the 1st Shenmue credit The way the snow and rain puddles built up over time was something we had not seen before and many games didn't offer that decade after Shenmue. Only like PGR 4 on the 360 offering the same sort of systemYeah, I was impressed by Shenmue but the water effetcs were pretty 90's.(Not a surprise since the project even started on Saturn
I would love to see old Dreamcast classics remastered with modern tools, effects.
Dreamcast was very much like the PC Engine in that it only did well in one market for me and both were such tiny systems but with such power for their time
do you prefer hi res jaggie? shenmue 2, MSR, Seven Mansion maybe 18 wheeler or Alien Front ?
I didn't like the gfx in MSR myself. The backgrounds looked lovely but came at a massive cost to everything else, the car models were dire and I don't even know what game Seven Mansion is.
Have your eyes checked.
That's because i beat them at chu chu rocket in 2000. The grudge is strong. I was the 800ms Netzero connection from Kmart.
Dreamcast's RE4
I don't want to be a revisionist, but I didn't feel this drop in resolution, perhaps because I had a regular TV. Games like SSX, Fifa 2001, Tekken Tag Tournament didn't feel like a step back compared to what the Dreamcast was doing at all imo.
Yet this is what people did when buying a PS2 to play games such as DoA2. This is because most people have poop in their eyes and don't care about having a better, cleaner picture.
This for sure. There was simply no discussion to be had, from the get go games looked much better.
I was actually just paraphrasing a collective opinion from a gaming documentary I watched years ago on Netflix where they had retrospective interviews with an assortment of Japanese developers and Xbox staff that had be sent to sign developers at the Tokyo Game Show, and a combination of the developers waxing lyrical about how they were sold completely on the pitch of the EmotionEngine by PlayStation for physics, - which at the time on PC was PhysX and Havok add-on cards - and animation, and the new graphics paradigm with far more versatility, even more than the PC when you consider Primitive shading wasn't even a graphics extension in Opengl at that stage on an percentage of gaming PCs.
To the trained eye, they were largely just higher resolution and higher resolution textures, and higher fps, while missing fx that would have crippled the Xbox's mismatched fillrate damaging resolution and frame-rate IMO, but the lack of discussion came mainly because an included HDD in every console, a feature they would drop with the 360 arcade, and the massive amount of memory meant that it wasn't just the results of looking like a mid-range 2000 PC resolution game on Xbox, but the ease with which developers got to that stage with many games.
At this point we all know that PS2 was good at making effects and had a shit image. Effects are nice to show off, but in the end many will prefer a better resolution, better framerate and cleaner picture. The majority though will not see the difference.
It was the system this isn't just about jaggies and it wasn't just DC ports lots of native PS2 games didn't come close to 640X480 when played on the real hardware back in the day. I remember being stunned at how low res and simple the graphics were in Time Splitters on its Pal launch and even the likes of Ghost Hunter was low res, it did push nice effects mind.
And at this point, we all know the PS2 fans can dish it out, but can't take it back
Not for games aging they won't, and all the finishing games on the PS2 looked far better than anything on Xbox IMO, games like GT4 that still are the core of the GT7 experience, today, as Is Prov Evo to eFootball. Games like Ico, SotC, VF4 Evo, etc not to mention MGS2 and Snake Eater, which has amazing gameplay improving FX like nighvision, heat vision, particle smoke. in an emulator PS2 games with FX missing on Xbox will look far better than their Xbox versions in an emulator with just resolution and frame-rates improved IMO.- although textures might tip the balance the other way.
You mean the Xbox Series X?
You should have played F1 Championship Season 2000 (100.000 poly per frame)
I took a while to buy my ps2 but it seemed better to me since us launch Tekken Tag, SSX and Fifa 2001. Maybe I have this impression because on my Dreamcast I played simpler games like Mortal Kombat Gold, Virtua Striker 2, Rush 2049, Shadow man instead of Soul Calibur, Shenmue, Jet Set Radio.
Optimised collision code on PS2 ran triangle-2-triangle intersection tests at the rate of around 15M/s. A contemporary Intel CPU was lucky to hit 1/10th of that in the same workload.
GC was as often sub 640 as PS2 games were (512x480 was very common, but not the only res used) - especially in multiplats.
This is the point.
people are intelligent, don't underestimate them, they realized that the IQ problems were programming difficulties and that it would improve, as it actually improved in Tekken Tag.
No, The DC launched in Japan only with Pen Pen, July and VF3Tb and PSO is still going strong mate and bring in the cash for SEGA
Just to add, there's an interview where Itagaki even said they launched DOA 2 hardcore before it was finished.
Resolution, much like reduced color depth on a lot of GC games, was a fact. Not debating what people personally noticed or not - we all know what thread we're in
VGA was progressive scan ('technically' you could still use VGA monitors to display interlaced - but I can't think of many people that did).
Time Splitters is anything but simple, the game looks like the one in the video above, Free Radical Design delivered an fps game at 60 frames. You're wrong if you think the Dreamcast could run this game without massive simplification, at 60 frames the best Sega could deliver was Ottrigger.
Content wise, they re-released it as Hard*Core not hardcore, later on with fixes.Just to add, there's an interview where Itagaki even said they launched DOA 2 hardcore before it was finished.
Itagaki: Tecmo Tricked Me Into Releasing Dead Or Alive 2
LAS VEGAS — Ninja Gaiden creator Tomonobu Itagaki almost quit making videogames when his company tricked him into releasing an unfinished title, he said on Thursday. Itagaki, who has since left Tecmo and started an independent game studio called Valhalla, said in his speech at the annual DICE...www.wired.com
I played Hardcore and liked it more than Dreamcast. Where's Hard*Core?
Making such a conclusion makes absolutely no sense. Fully use the VDP1 and the VDP2, as the console architecture intended, and you get games that would have to be compromised to run on PS2. It is impossible to factually summarize Saturn and PS1 with "PS1 was more powerful than Saturn". This is certainly not true at all.
